On Wednesday, the LA City Council passed a resolution that asks Federal law enforcement to mind its own damn business when it comes to medical marijuana.
More accurately, the resolution supports the state in its push to get the Feds to back off. Last August, the Council tried on its own when it passed the an ordinance to regulate and oversee the medical marijuana trade in LA, and politely asked the DEA to stop launching 100-agent raids on lawful clinics. But the DEA blithely ignored the request and kept on raiding the marijuana clinics anyway. “We’re just enforcing the law,” DEA spokeswoman Sara Pullen told me when I reported on the issue last summer for both WLA and the LA Weekly.. (I believe I mentioned to Pullen that I could personally point out a couple of meth-dealer locations, the raiding of which might be a better use of her agency’s time, but she declined to take me up on the offer.)
With Wednesday’s resolution, sponsored by Dennis Zine, Janice Hahn, and Bill Rosendahl, (the lone No vote from Greig Smith) the Council is trying a new strategy by calling for support of California State Senate Joint Resolution 20. The state resolution asks the President and Congress to enact legislation to require the DEA and all Federal agencies and departments to “respect the compassionate use laws of states”. SJR 20 also requests Federal law enforcement to enforce Federal medical marijuana laws in a manner consistent with the laws of the State of California.
California Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act, was passed 12 years ago, yet still the DEA continues to raid clinics, and arrest patients, although the charges rarely stick.
As recently as last month, I talked to a med marijuana patient who, in the course of a routine traffic stop, was asked by two LA sheriff’s deputies if he had any drugs or alcohol in his car. The man had just come from purchasing his month’s supply and answered honestly. Yes, he said, he did have a small amount of marijuana, but he had a prescription for the stuff and handed the officers both his just-purchased weed and his official state card. (Yeah, the guy was a real patient with a real medical condition, not a scammer just wanting to smoke out) The cops confiscated the weed and wrote up a misdemeanor citation meaning the guy had to take off work and show up in court. The judge promptly dropped the case as soon as the proper paperwork was produced. “Oh, yeah we get these all the time,” the bailiff told the man, explaining that the judge usually dropped the charges forthwith if the prescription was legit.
Meanwhile we have overcrowded courtrooms and a state, county and city budget crisis. So does this seem like a good use of your tax dollars?
The issue is particularly urgent for sufferers of conditions like Crohn’s disease and other severe digestive ailments, many of whom find that marijuana removes symptoms like no other medication can. The alternative is debilitating courses of the steroid prednisone or, failing that, Oxycontin—-both risky drugs that can cause physical damage and/or addiction as they bring relief.
“Our goal is to bring the sale of medicinal marijuana under control and regulated by a City entity so that distribution is safe and accessible to people that truly need medicinal cannabis to improve their quality of life,” said Councilman Zine, a member of the Public Safety Committee. “We are calling on the Federal Government to permit the State of California and the City of Los Angeles to carry out the will of the voters.”
“This is a total misuse of federal power and resources,” added Bill Rosendahl at the meeting. “The DEA should not be hunting down medical providers or chasing sick people who need relief from their pain. This is another outrageous byproduct of the bad drug laws of the 1980s.”
Exactly.
By the way, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have stated that they would push for legislation that allows the states to regulate Medical Marijuana if they wish, and pulls the Feds out of the enforcement business when state and Federal laws conflict. McCain, however, consistently ducks the issue, his famous temper flaring when he is pressed.
I’m first! I’m first!
It’s nice that Hillary Clinton and Obama are seeing things from the viewpoint of “states’ rights.” Who would have guessed?
I don’t oppose the DEA from pursuing blatant drug violations. No one notices when you catch the small guy, but it sure gets attention when you catch someone thumbing their nose at you. I’m not opposed to changing the law on so-called medical marijuana, but I do oppose violating the law in the meantime.
Celeste, we need the Marijuana clinics for my father’s glaucoma.
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Ms. Fremon,
I cant believe you support the State’s bogus medical marijuana program.
Have you read the new studies on the effects of marijuana?
I can personally tell you how a couple of these LA City dispensary are fronts for big time dealers (and their family members). They are not only connected to illegal Marijuana B.C sells but additional category B drugs as well. Everytime these guys get hit by the DEA, you see the Weed, the Cocaine, guns, and sometimes there is an EME connection.
If you allow this Marijuana thing to continue and legalize it – you might as well legalize estacy, psilocybin mushrooms, and Peyote.
Thanks for letting the American Juveniles go to hell.
Haven’t you seen Reefer Madness ? If you allow this marijuana thing to continue and legalize it…you might as well allow distilled alcohol on the market. Have you read the studies on that stuff ? It can kill you. Please let’s ban all this stuff. For the children.
(I lived in Texas for a while when peyote was still legal and easily obtainable at local nurseries. Somehow the social structure held together. As for weed, prohibition has actually led to the cultivation of stronger and stronger stuff. I wouldn’t touch the shit kids smoke today if you paid me. But they seem to be able to handle it. This is in the category of “big fucking deal” and people who get their panties in a twist abot pot are pretty much garden variety idiots. Peeking in other people’s windows nonsense. Get a life.)
If statist types who are into controlling peoples personal behavior via big government are really worried about American juveniles going to hell, let’s ban the goddam television. Biggest cause of brain-rot among the kids.
What about banning the Internet, look what is happenig to Woody, save the BBB Baby Boomer Bloggers.
So reg is the product of peyote and plenty of Texas pot, that explains it. What a condescending first paragraph, in response to someone’s earnest comment — proves he’s TOOOO COOOl. And kids today all “seem to be able to handle it,” the stuff today, huh? Anyway who knows otherwise, at least with a lot of them, “are pretty much garden variety idiots. Peeking in other people’s windows nonsense. Get a life.” On the other hand, “let’s ban the goddam television. Biggest cause of brain-rot among the kids.” Do you EVER listen to yourself, you smug fool?
Actually, there are many legit dispensaries and people who need pot, but Poplock is right, that some have proliferated under dubious circumstances at best. That’s why the Council voted last year not to give new licenses until they could all be re-evaluated. Apart from the criminal connections in some cases, everyone in Hollywood knows it’s easy to get an Rx. Ever see Entourage, where Vinny’s wanna-be bro finagles one, just to get a too-cool membership hat? Fiction follows reality. Check out the ads in L A Weekly: e.g., one female doctor wearing hot pants and heels, sexy top and pose, luring customers for her Rx’s. What message does that send, humm?
So the whole system needs to be checked out, but meanwhile if the feds keep busting up the dispensaries, they’ll keep going after the most legit ones, ironically, which are the easiest to find. This isn’t about “let the kids smoke strong pot, they can handle it, ban tv instead,” it’s about preserving autonomy to deal with the issue locally.
OK, I shouldn’t have added the “you fool,” it was clear enough what I meant without it. But I get heated when it comes to preteens, many of whom CAN’T handle doing pot, trying out sex, and stuff that just 20 years ago we didn’t do until at least late high school. Even with middle and wealthier kids, this is a big problem, with parents working or busy. 8th graders already having booze and pot parties, sex by 9th — my kids have made a choice not to, which means being out of the “cool” group, so I’m proud of them, but get really furious when I hear this sort of smug dismissal from people who think their own experiences in the 60’s have anything to do with raising kids today. Actively giving them the message, “Go ahead, I did it, it’s cool and anyone who doesn’t agree, is a repressed idiot,” is just wrong. AND not what Rx pot dispensaries are supposed to be about.
Look, everybody is crying and bitching about our City’s Gang problem. A problem affecting the entire United States and no one can find a solution. You suggust ideas like opening teen centers, provide mentors, give them jobs, find good role models. The list is endless…
Then you turn around and support legalizing marijuana? Who are the hyprocrites?
I can tell you that the two first illegal drugs that “at risk” teens or gang wannabes will try is alcohol and marijuana. These are the first two introductory drugs that all parents are trying to stop their kids in abusing. Almost every gang member I know has admitted abusing these drugs from around 12 years of age and on. A small percentage even go down as low as 9-10 years old.
I can see it now – A gang member and a mentor, smoking it out of a bong talking about how he needs to get a job, a resume, and where to go buy the best medical chronic in LA. This is where I draw a line on you liberals.
Until cannabis is legalized, we will still have the problem of drug cartels growing on public land, polluting streams with chemicals, and killing wildlife to eat while they guard their crops.
If cannabis were legalized and taxed like tobacco and alcohol, maybe we wouldn’t go into a recession. And, the DEA could spend more time going after violent criminals.
Poplock, kids have no trouble getting whatever drugs they want and it has exactly zero to do with medical marijuana.
Certainly some people are scamming. That’s why it makes sense to get the feds out of it, and let the state and local counties and cities regulate the business. Heck, the highly conservative Orange County Board of Supervisors voted to regulate MM and to tell the Feds to buzz off almost a year ago. And the most activist on the LA City Council on this issue is Dennis Zine, the ex cop.
“Almost every gang member I know has admitted abusing these drugs from around 12 years of age and on.”
Your marijuana prohibition is working out really well.
As an argument for a general marijuana prohibition, this is beyond stupid, especially since alcohol – also illegal for 12 year olds – is one of “these drugs” mentioned above. Also plenty of room for false causation here – but I don’t expect fundamentals of logic to apply to these emotional, often hysterical, arguments. As for the creepy Ms. Twisted P, the usual rain of drivel hardly worth reading, much less addressing. The persistence of her reductio ad ’60s is bizarre. As is her persistent deficiency in the irony department. But her real problem isn’t the self-absorbtion, the endless invective or the lack of humor – it’s being consistently boring.
“This is where I draw a line on you liberals.” By all means, draw that line around your field of straw men.
I happen to know for a fact that the more resources that were put into federalization of pot prohibition, the stronger the pot has gotten and the more obtainable it has become at the 12-13 year old level. I don’t have an easy answer to all of this, and frankly I take the conservative view that much of this is at the level of culture, parenting, etc. But there’s no rational argument for marijuana prohibition unless you are some right-wing version of those Berkleyites who think they can save the world by banning fast food. The Carry Nation thing hasn’t worked and creates as many problems as it’s intent on solving. Large sources of revenue for criminal gangs trafficking in inherently cheap commodities that have been criminalized being the most obvious. So how about working to enforce cultural norms, education for parents and kids, focus resources on enforcing age restrictions and provide assistance to abusers so that people can deal with the these behaviors sensibly. Meanwhile anyone who thinks keeping marijuana illegal across the board is addressing the manifest problems surrounding a 12-year old who’s abusing alcohol and pot and is in danger of getting sucked into a gang is living in cloud cuckooland.
But I get heated when it comes to preteens, many of whom CAN’T handle doing pot, trying out sex, and stuff that just 20 years ago we didn’t do until at least late high school. Even with middle and wealthier kids, this is a big problem, with parents working or busy. 8th graders already having booze and pot parties, sex by 9th  my kids have made a choice not to
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I’ll bet that is what my mother you to say more than 20 years ago. 😉
It’s fine and dandy to try and control the marijuana stores locally, but every Che Guevara loving baby boomer can see the past results of our national “War on Drugs”. Time to try a different approach.
“stuff that just 20 years ago we didn’t do until at least late high school” – boy, that really puts the ’80s generation on a much higher moral plane than us dope and sex-crazed ’60s veterans.
Who cares if Zine is a ex-cop, his opinion is part of one vote in a city council of many in the State. The Feds care less what Zine or any other LA City Councilmember thinks. State or Fed cares less about some little chihuahua politican barking his ass off. His like the neigborhood’s dog that you want to kill at 3am in the morning.
So, all you idiots are telling me that your okay for a teen 18+ to go in and get his Medical Marijuana card? What type of children are you raising?
Zine seems to have been making an effort to forge some sort of new image for himself in general lately, toward whatever office or platform he intends to pursue next, apparently, so he’s reinventing himself as a “liberal Republican.” He was also among the most outspoken last week against the proposal to require that employers verify SS#’s to week out illegals, even claiming nonsense like that they were often those whose legal papers had lapsed for reasons beyond their control– angering many of his conservative constituents. He’s gained national coverage and was even on Dr. Phil for his proposal to offer special privacy protections to celebrities (although opposed on this by Bratton and legal experts), even though his district doesn’t include any of the hot spots for celeb homes or lifestyles, and now this. Seems he’s tired of being marginalized, like Greig Smith is, as the only two (or now one) Republicans.
Poplock is right about the message that some of you are sending to kids about pot — and it’s this kind of argument, turning med marijuana from a humanitarian/health issue into a civil rights/ freedom of choice/ prohibition issue, which keeps the feds cynical about the whole premise.
“Poplock is right about the message that some of you are sending to kids about pot”
What the hell would he know about the message “some of us” are sending our kids about pot ? If I don’t support prohibition of alcohol does that tell you one damned thing about me or the message I sent my kids regarding substance abuse. Go screw your self-righteious, clueless selves.
Your #5 is the message you’re telling our kids, and it’s loud and clear, PopLock and I got the same thing. Now you deny it and hurl invectives, typical reg. This is perfect: here’s PopLock, who’s described himself as formerly hanging with gangs if not actually a member (can’t remmeber exactly, which is it, P?), arguing with some smug jerk who’s telling the kids that “they seem to be able to handle it” and “people who get their panties in a twist (about this) are pretty much garden variety idiots.” I hope you never leave the house, creep, and if you ever got YOUR “self-rightous,” parent-bashing and drug advocating creepy self near my kids, or contaminated them with your vile garbage, you’d know the full wrath of many parents. — I don’t even hear the other 60’s era Boomers advocating that drugs are fine for young kids. And damn right, pot is a gateway drug, as alcohol CAN be. (Which I don’t put in the same category — in France kids can drink wine at 13 and alcoholism isn’t a big deal because it’s part of a meal, not a binge.) But this is all, again, a digression from medical Rx — and you embody the reason the feds want to ban ALL dispensaries. — Just shut up, or keep hurting those who truly need it for Rx reaosns.
I never lide to my kids or sent them phony, hysterical messages about the virtues of marijuana prohibiton that they were too intelligent to take seriously. They’re fine and well-adjusted. You, lady, happen to be far from well-adjusted in your nastiness and idiotic and very, very boring obsessions. Leave me out of your mental landscape – it’s a goddam wasteland.
uh, that was “lied”
The incoherence of making bizarre assumptions about me because I consider marijuana prohibition indefensible and counterproductive and then suggesting that responsible parents might consider starting their kids drinking at 13 so that they can learn to manage their alcohol intake early on is quite stunning.
I had my 12-year old son read this thread, and his assessment: reg “sounds like a doped-up control freak.” He thought Poplock’s description of a kid getting high with his mentor pretty funny, and not far from the truth. Smart kid.
— And only in this country is alcohol equated with pot and other drugs; precisely because it isn’t, because wine is part of a civilized lifestyle in Europe and not a “rush,” does getting drunk never develop the cache. Having a glass of wine doesn’t even generate a buzz for the avg person, and rezveratol is now known to be one reason Europeans don’t get the heart diseases we do from heavy food. Yet you advocate legitimizing pot, which has no purpose other than getting high — and often leads to bigger highs. Of course this logic would be “quite stunning” to an uncivilized boor who attacks anyone who doesn’t advocate kids doing pot as “garden variety idiots” etc. Even a 12-year old can see through you.
Your notion that I advocate kids doing pot is evidence that you’re just damned stupid. I also have to say that if I were 12 years old and lived in your house as a dependent, I’d probably kiss your sick ass and tell you whatever you want to hear because you’re a scary broad.
I know Celeste already said this, but in all the fun of accusing Reg of personally pushing drugs to elementary school students, nobody is addressing the fact that kids can get pot really, really easily.
The messages that teens get from government just don’t compare to the messages from the larger culture (and the market). I don’t know why conservatives who are so bound up in the incompetence and ineffectiveness of government seem to miss that fact. It often seems that our moralists our more concerned with “the message our kids our getting” then pragmatic solutions for solving problems.
Aside from the much longer discussion we ought to be having about the tragically failed drug war, the fact that everyone’s geting so exercised about marijuana is….indeed surprising.
For the record, I don’t smoke anything of any kind. I came of age in the late 60’s, early 70’s so I did my share of experimenting with much more than marijuana, but haven’t touched it or anything else in decades. Frankly it doesn’t agree with me. I’ll stick to my glass of good pinot noir, thank you very much.
Through my work, however, I’ve seen the lives of people and families I cared about destroyed by drugs way too many times. On a more personal level, I lived through the terror of having one of the people I love most in the world nearly killed by drugs. Fortunately the latter story has had a happy ending. But it might easily not have.
So to suggest that I’m soft on drugs, or that I cosign on kids doing drugs—of any kind—is frankly deeply offensive.
We have a big drug problem in this country, and a drug policy that is a miserable and extremely expensive failure. A freshman at USC just died of a drug overdose last week. He was smoking heroin. That boy was somebody’s son, somebody’s baby. But, hey, let’s go after marijuana despensaries.
When the subject of drugs came up in one of my UC Irvine classes a quarter or two ago, because one of my students was doing her big class story on the abuse of prescription drugs on campus, the stories students told in the course of discussion were…..jaw dropping. Schedule 1 drugs weren’t the problem. It was the “legal” uppers and downers that kids were popping like jellybeans, and doctors were prescribing them with an abandon that is, quite literally criminal.
But, again, hey, lets go after the marijuana despensaries.
Crystal meth is running rife through the countryside; kids still think ecstasy is a fine party drug nevermind that it depletes your seratonin receptors, sliding some kids into years-long bouts with depression. As part of a project I was working on, I went to a downtown club where I—the middle-aged-mom-looking person—was repeatedly asked if I wanted to buy: “K or X, K or X (Ketamine or Ecstacy). I asked a well-known juvenile probation officer friend why those places weren’t getting busted. “There isn’t the interest,” she told me.
Yet with all this going on, what does the DEA do? They go for the low-hanging fruit of marijuana dispensaries. Sure a lot of people are scamming, and nearly any one who cares to make the effort can get a prescription. But the same is true for the most addictive and dangerous prescription drugs on the market, most of which are a hell of lot more harmful than freaking weed.
AND, marijuana is a lifesaver for those who need it. Plus med marijuana is the state law, people. So the state needs much tighter regulation; we know this. The city jurisdictions are ready and willing to step in. And the feds need to butt out.
But that’s not what’s going on because, the truth is, the DEA needs a certain amount of action to justify their dwindling funding. So they go with the fish in the barrel. But do the arrests stick? Nope. Why, because all those big, bad zillion dollar dealers that are supposedly running all the dispensaries fail to materialize. So these 100 agent raids end up rounding up a bunch of slightly stoned small business people, who are let go later that day. Heck of a job DEA.
I think in the past year, they found one true bigtime dealer with the offshore account and the whole nine years (Or maybe it was two dealers, I forget.) And if I’m not mistaken, he escaped.
Find something else to scream at each other about. This one’s played out.
Mavis, even mu 12-year old knows darned well it’s easy to get drugs if he wanted to. But it’s not being “a moralist” to worry about “what messages our kids are getting” from the likes of reg. — For the record, he’s already a much more mature, socially poised and just plain courteous kid than reg could ever dream. No way will he ever grow up to be so vile in gratuitously attacking anyone he doesn’t agree with — if you look back, it was reg (again) who started with the gratuitous, generalized accusations and name-calling of those who don’t agree w/ him, real and imagine. (For all Woody’s extreme and sometimes bizarre — sometimes rational — comments, he’s never the one starting this weird rudeness, that’s the hallmark of self-righteous, liberals on this blog.
I find this hostility even more glaring when directed at someone like PopLock, a guy’s who’s pulled himself up from the streets and doesn’t have patience for the pomosity of those living in some fantasy world of liberalism, where the objects of vitriol are those they’ve been indoctrinated to blame, having nothing often to do with reality on the street. Woody does seem to enjoy getting under people’s skins, but what amuses me is how those of life minds here can’t just ignore him, but totally ignore downright vile behavior from those they more or less “agree” with. Maybe Woody’s trying to give a lesson about self-awareness here?
Celeste, you know that I’m not including you in the above and never accused you of being soft on drugs — I’ve always agreed with the City Council on this one, that the DEA just go after the most visible, legal, low-hanging fruit and have arrested scores of people (whom they’ve let go) in true medical need, destroying the stores of pot and livelihoods of the owners. The DEA needs to butt out while the city gets its house in order. (Do you know if they’ve actually done anything toward this in the past year, tho — weeding out, excuse the pun, the “scammers?”) BUT I think Poplock’s right that pot can be a “gateway drug,” especially for kids “at risk” and who follow older role models; the message that it’s fine to do pot, that it’s no big deal, is just wrong. Few kids ever start with meth or heroin. (Glad to see you enjoy your glass of pinot without worrying it will make you seem an alcoholic akin to a dope addict — it’s THAT kind of weird linkage that can get kids to ignore ALL warnings.)
OO wants to have it every which way in her usual tizzy – entry-level alcohol for 13-year olds isn’t a danger (actually it’s quite sophisticated ‘cuz the folks in France do it), teens smoking weed inevitably is. Wack job…simple as that…who can’t even discern simple meanings from others comments or make a consistent or coherent argument. It’s all about lashing out and creating grotesque straw men and bizarre disortions that she proceeds to trash hysterically. Incidentally the only “kids” I know who smoke pot are in their 20s. The notion that some self-righteous cretins want to make that a criminal issue – is disgusting. Un-American even…
Alcohol is, without doubt on the basis of the science, a more damaging drug than pot and also a “gateway” for people who end up with substance abuse problems – be it simply more alcohol or “hard” drugs or whatever. Alcohol is also directly related to such sick behaviors as spousal abuse and all varieties of manslaughter. Is anyone here stupid enough to suggest that the solution to that complex of problems is another stab at prohibition. More to the point, does anyone think that all of the resources expended in marijuana prohibition make it particularly difficult for even pre-teens to acquire pot in most metropolitan (and many non-urban) areas or that this prohibition isn’t a profit center for criminal gangs, among others – not to mention giving pot the “forbidden fruit” cachet ?
Since France seems to be the gold standard for some regarding ingestion of substances that may be damaging to one’s health – particularly in the matter of 13-year olds – there’s this: “A 1998 French governmental report commissioned by Health Secretary of State Bernard Kouchner, and directed by Dr. Pierre-Bernard Roques, classed drugs according to addictiveness and neurotoxicity. It placed heroin, cocaine and alcohol in the most addictive and lethal categories; benzodiazepine, hallucinogens and tobacco in the medium category, and cannabis in the last category.”
Now somebody PLEASE explain the logic of marijuana prohibition in that context. There is none. But rave on, crazy lady…
“For the record, I don’t smoke anything of any kind. ”
Not so fast…you’ve already copped to those Romeo y Julietas. I know…I know…you didn’t inhale !
Uh, oh. Cachada! Yeah, but I didn’t inhale.
Ms. Fremon,
Why dont you ask La Ridgeway why the DEA doesn’t ever want to touch anything over lets say 1000+ pounds of BC or $100,000+ of cash profits. Facts – DEA cares less about Marijuana unless their is some international relationship like gun smuggling or illegal border crossing. The Federal policy that regulates Marijuana has nothing to do with the DEA and its enforcement of laws. Its just a law on a book. The DEA will always focus on the smallest quanity to the highest money making profits – Heroin, Cocaine and Meth.
Now take what I just gave you and figure it out that the DEA cares less about some Glendale or Downtown LA underground raver dancing around and selling X or K. They want the big fish. The Big Connect.
We as parents are the ones that should be watching our children whereabouts point blank.
Here is another one for you.
I interviewed this guy from F13. He carries a nice .45 glock for possible home invasions or rip offs. The guy busted out his medical marijuana card from some idiot Santa Monica doctor who is also pending a federal criminal case. I ask him what’s up with the stupid medical card, its not going to save your ass in superior court (all these guys now have it). –
This guy, like a handful of F13 members, makes around $300-$800 a day profit on illegal Marijuana sells. Lets be conservative that he only brings in $300. In an average week $1500. In a month, lets give him the conservative number of $6000 a month. In a year, a nice tax free profit of $72,000.
This cat is totally against the legalization of marijuana and wants to thank all you hippies and upper class idiots.
In his personal view, upon getting busted, the medical marijuana law is going to save his ass at the State’s level court. Only if you knew how many of these idiots are trying to get away with selling chronic and using your Medical Marijuana Laws as a pretext to saying they are innocent. Too bad the Feds can not come in and put them back on trial for Tax invasion.
Now who created this dilemma?
This guy, like a handful of F13 members, makes around $300-$800 a day profit on illegal Marijuana sells. Lets be conservative that he only brings in $300. In an average week $1500. In a month, lets give him the conservative number of $6000 a month. In a year, a nice tax free profit of $72,000.
This cat is totally against the legalization of marijuana and wants to thank all you hippies and upper class idiots.
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So what is PopLock saying? We should keep marijuana illegal and keep the prices high, so gang members can make money to fund their gangs and buy nickle-plated .45 side-arms.
If marijuana were sold and taxed like alcohol and the taxes actually used for drug education, this might be a more effective “War on Marijuana”. Is marijuana less popular today than back in 1970, when it only cost $10.00 an ounce? What is the saying about a person trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Seems to me like WBC and Poplock have been smoking to much of something to see the reality of the “War on Drugs”.
I also remember Celeste telling us about somking cigars, drinking whiskey and watching boxing, I hope Celeste is not running for President.
We should stop making excuses for grown people that never grew out of being little spoil brats.
There is a reason why employers test for THC.
Its to keep all your unethical people out of jobs that are made to meet a higher standard of respect.
Mr. Logic – first learn the pricings of the many chronic stems and dont compare some 1970 mexican caca weed with today high quaility BC. Its worth more than cocaine on the market.
You can pretty much tell when someone doesn’t have a rational argument when they’re asked a series of specific, direct questions and they don’t even attempt to answer them but go off on tangents…
At least we didn’t get chastised for our Che Guevara tee-shirts. 😉
I’m pretty sure “grown” people aren’t the biggest marijuana and drug users, I’ll bet it’s the younger folks, like the spoiled brats at USC (University Of Spoiled Children). Us 60’s revolutionists who have traveled to places like Colombia right after Pablo Escobar blew up court buildings know very well about the real cost of getting the drugs into this country. I would probably agree with a “Woody†conservative approach of banning all movies, music and radio with any drug and violence message and have prayer in our schools. I would show the young spoiled brats the dead bodies caused by the drug cartels. And have them spend a week in Pelican Bay prison and see where the puppet masters of the street-gang drug dealer lives.
There are problems (i.e. Drug War) which you may not know the solution to, so you try one approach, if it doesn’t work you change it, and try something else. After achieving some results you modify the approach for optimum success. This is what a logical person would be doing with our drug war.
“Seems to me WBC and PopLock have been smoking to much of something to see the reality of the ‘War on Drugs.'” — You have NO ideas what my views are on the “War on Drugs,” except that some vile, hysterical little babbling idiot (the stuff reg spews about “garden variety idiots” who don’t agree that pot is strictly a mater of personal choice, incl. for “kids,” if one can make sense of his hysterical rabidness, then his claiming that European kids who have a glass of wine with the family are more at risk than those who do drugs with their friends, whatever (who cares) — “Mr. Logic” could perhaps see that for him to rant that pot should be legalized but drinking wine with a nice meal leads to perdition and should be banned like it is here (where it DOES lead to kids get drunk as soon as they can, precisely because it’s just a “forbidden” thing to do) is the epitomy of illogic. “Argumentation 101 for you, Mr. Logic!” (That other clown is lost, in the “ignore” bin.)
I also love how you lump me and PopLock’s view together, when they’re explicitly different in many ways, incl. views on the Council’s motion re: the DEA, the OSTENSIBLE subject, not a society-wide debate on legalizing pot and alcohol. (Even Mavis has me in the “you moralists” camp, nice that your gen still has some black-white camp followers.) Thank goodness that kids growing up today see you’re irrelevantly illogical “control freaks” who still MUST force your failed views on everyone. (If the “war on drugs” has failed, look at your effective preachings as one example.) But PopLock’s characterisation of you all (except Celeste, who DOES make an effort at pragmatism, freed of hippie dogma) as “you hippies and upper class idiots,” is perfect. (Except for the “upper class” part, at least as concerns certain people.)
I’d try to make sense of that first “OO” sentence, but I’d probably have to smoke pot, which I don’t…
I was definitely wrong WBC is not smoking any marijuana; it’s obvious she could use some marijuana, a few glasses of French wine or a sedative. Funny how One Observer gets her Panties in a Bunch, when she feels lumped in with Poplocks view on drugs, pretty ironic coming form the 80’s Madonna Princess of the over-used words baby-boomers, hippies, your generation, and yada, yada, yada.
I can hardly wait until Obama is elected president, so ALL of us 60’s hippies can re-start the revolution, as we ALL want. 😉
Barr may throw his hat into the ring, and it would be perfect, just as everyone is sick of the other three, and your guy Obama has yet to say anything except that he’s “hopeful” he’ll bring “change” based on everyone else embracing “hope” and spending billions of dollars embracing hopeful big-government programs. (Funny how the good Rev. Wright’s racist rants promptly disappeared, soon as ABC released its analysis of his “collected works.” Guess that wasn’t the “hope” Obama meant.) I’m hoping that Barr will seize on the public’s hope for change, and make him that hopeful agent of change, hopefully undercutting the hopes and aspirations of that Tiresome Three, and leaving all the ’60’s hippies dry cleaning their Che t-shirts and houseslippers, waiting for another chance in 8 years. While they smoke some really good medical pot, which they’ll no doubt legitimately be needing soon for something or other, and which will make the next 8 years fly by in a flash. Then hopefully they and Obama can re-start La Revolution!
“Thank goodness that kids growing up today see you’re irrelevantly illogical “control freaks†who still MUST force your failed views on everyone. (If the “war on drugs†has failed, look at your effective preachings as one example.)”
I seem to remember McGruff from the 80’s, who really knew how to preach about drugs. Gotta love YouTube for videos like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8sag6qcHnQ
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Somehow I missed these back in the 80’s, but can’t imagine why they weren’t persuasive. Regina looks like someone’s bad acid trip — where’s the “continuity girl” when you need her?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-drugbust7-2008may07,0,3741335.story
this is very uncommon for us. somehow tjis used to be fine in 80s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcf2CO65lf4