Gangs Public Health

If Gang Violence is a Disease…. What is the Cure?

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One of this morning’s must reads is the Alex Kotlowitz article
in today’s New York Times Magazine called Blocking the Transmission of Violence about gang violence as a public health problem.

The article is about the work of Gary Slutkin,
an epidemiologist and a physician who for 10 years battled infectious diseases in Africa, and who now has founded an organization called CeaseFire. “Slutkin,” writes Kotlowitz, “wants to shift how we think about violence from a moral issue (good and bad people) to a public health one (healthful and unhealthful behavior).”

So far, so good.


And Kotlowitz is one of the writers able
to assess such a program with more clarity than most. He is the author of such much lauded books as,There Are No Children Here: The Story of Two Boys Growing Up in the Other America.

According to Kotlowitz, Slutkin says that “
….violence directly mimics infections like tuberculosis and AIDS,” and so “the treatment ought to mimic the regimen applied to these diseases: go after the most infected, and stop the infection at its source. …”

Slutkin’s chosen method to “stop the infection” is to use what he calls “interrupters,
” hard core former gangsters and shot callers to step who step in to try to stop cycle of retaliation when violence occurs.

This method of hard core gang intervention,
as it is called, is all the rage now—both in Chicago and in Los Angeles, and it is unfashionable to criticize it.

However if examined more closely, although Slutkin talks in terms of health and cures, on the face of it anyway, his approach is symptomatic, not curative at all.

Rather than stopping “the infection at it’s source,” maybe the better analogy for Slutkin’s work—and hard core gang intervention in general— is that of a tourniquet. If one stops the immediate bleeding maybe one can address the underlying illness, and there’s something to be said for that.

On the other hand, the approach is something of a slippery slope. It is a rule of thumb that to successfully mature out of the gang, most people find they need to move out of the neighborhood. Otherwise it’s just too difficult. With this in mind, metaphorically speaking, is it wise to send former alcoholics repeatedly into the bar to try to talk the other bar patrons out of drinking? Maybe. Maybe not. At present, the risk/benefit ratio still remains unclear.

There are many things about this approach
that are controversial. But it is an approach that must be discussed. Here’s an excerpt:

In January, I was with Slutkin in Baltimore, where he spoke about CeaseFire to a small gathering of local civic leaders at a private home. During the two-hour meeting, Slutkin never mentioned that the interrupters were ex-felons. When I later asked him about that omission, he conceded that talking about their personal histories “is a dilemma. I haven’t solved it.” I spent many hours with Hoddenbach and the others, trying to understand how they chose to make the transition from gangster to peacemaker, how they put thuggery behind them. It is, of course, their street savvy and reputations that make them effective for CeaseFire. (One supporter of the program admiringly called it “a terrifying strategy” because of the inherent risks.) Some CeaseFire workers have, indeed, reverted to their old ways. One outreach worker was fired after he was arrested for possession of an AK-47 and a handgun. Another outreach worker and an interrupter were let go after they were arrested for dealing drugs. Word-of-mouth allegations often circulate, and privately, some in the police department worry about CeaseFire’s workers returning to their old habits.

Not all the interrupters I talked to could articulate how they had made the transition
. Some, like Hoddenbach, find religion — in his case, Christianity. He also has four children he feels responsible for, and has found ways to decompress, like going for long runs. (His brother Mark speculated that “maybe he just wants to give back what he took out.”) I once asked Hoddenbach if he has ever apologized to anyone he hurt. We were with one of his old friends from the street, who started guffawing, as if I had asked Hoddenbach if he ever wore dresses. “I done it twice,” Hoddenbach told us — quickly silencing his friend and saving me from further embarrassment. (One apology was to the brother of the man whose lungs he’d punctured; the other was to a rival gang member he shot.) Alphonso Prater told me that the last time he was released from prison, in 2001, an older woman hired him to gut some homes she was renovating. She trusted him with the keys to the homes, and something about that small gesture lifted him. “She seen something in me that I didn’t see,” he told me.


So is Slutkin’s strategy a potential solution to gang violence? Or is a stop gap with blowback?

(photo by Reuben Cox, the New York Times)

8 Comments

  • Slutkin,” writes Kotlowitz, “wants to shift how we think about violence from a moral issue (good and bad people) to a public health one (healthful and unhealthful behavior).”

    The program will go nowhere when one tries to take morals completely out of the discussion. We need to be more concerned with real solutions addressing root causes rather than worrying about whether or not the guilty feels “offended” by being properly evaluated and redirected.

    But, If it’s really a public health issue, then no one should mind rounding up those infected and “quarantining” them.

    On the program to select “interrupters,” their screening process could use improvement. Like companies, make it a policy not to hire anyone who has used illegal drugs or been convicted of a felony. Oops. There goes the entire staff.

    The approach of leading them to Christ seems most successful. They can ask and be granted forgiveness, have a Father to whom they are accountable and will not want to disappoint, and have a place to redirect their strenghts for good. But, there are too many of the ACLU types who would be aghast at such a suggestion. Still, it works.

  • It’s a good thing this wasn’t a wolf.

    Nanny Rips Baby Girl From Jaws of Coyote in California Sandbox

    “CHINO HILLS, Calif. — A nanny pulled a 2-year-old girl from the jaws of a coyote when the animal attacked the toddler and tried to carry her away in its mouth, officials said. …Miller said there was another attack in the area in October when a coyote bit a 3-year-old girl playing in a cul-de-sac. The girl needed treatment for puncture wounds to the head and thigh, Miller said.”

  • I’m surprised you don’t mention the 3-night series on local Councilwoman Janice Hahn that ran on Fox 11 (myfoxla.com) about this very issue — how her office has been paying active gang members to be “interrupters,” while at least one of them told the 2 cops assigned to their beat, Moreno and Garcia, that they didn’t even know what they were supposed to be doing to earn the money, it was just easy money etc. — and they relied on her for “character ref’s” to get out of jail. At least one was arrested for murder.

    When one still-active gangster was gunned down this Jan., Hahn appeared at the funeral and turned the mother, who some allege had made false allegations against Molina and Garcia to protect her son. Molina and Garcia claim that Hahn forced their transfer out of the district, and are suing the LAPD and city. Hahn, of course, denies all this, but admits that it takes one to know one, and whereas these gangsters “may have been part of the problem in the past, now they’re part of the solution.” Officers Molina and Garcia strongly disagree, and believe Hahn forced them out partly to avoid making herself look bad by being proven otherwise. (From what I’ve seen of this egotistical, self-serving woman, who flaunts her active participation in Watts and other areas for personal P.R., and has been privately and publicly condescending to staff and even colleagues who don’t fawn on her, I totally believe them.)

    Hahn has also criticized gang injunctions as being “unfair” to those who happen to live in the hood and can get caught up in too wide a net — Valley Bureau Dep. Chief Moore’s reply to that sort of comment, in a letter I posted in thread below, speaks for itself.

    You mention, Celeste, that’s it’s “unfashionable” to criticize this practice of using maybe-former gangbangers for intervention, but since Fox could care less about being P C., maybe they’re onto something here you should look at.
    (And PLEASE stop building her up as some sort of “savior” of the city when it comes to gangs, as you did in recent thread: that woman’s parcel tax on homeowners for “her” gang tax must be voted down.)

  • WBC, that story is coming—about the FOX story–likely tomorrow.There’s more there than meets the eye. Also, that post is the first time I praised Hahn. I did so because she made the right political decision and, in that moment was acting like a team player, instead of just a politician.

  • I’ll be curious to see your update on this. From what I’ve been hearing and reading, the more that comes out only makes Hahn look worse and worse. Apparently she acquiesced to Betty Day’s allegations against abuse by Moreno and Garcia, because they were putting a crimp in her son and the Grape Street Crips’ lucrative drug trade, which she benefited from, too. So, like Maria Chata Leon in Glassell Park, people in Ramona Gardens and elsewhere, she knew how to band together and make the cops look bad. They persuaded Hahn (who may just have been convinced by her ego, which far outpaces her intelligence, that “her” gangbangers were loyal to her and she had to be to them) to pressure LAPD to get rid of these two cops for doing too good a job. To do that, they had to get set up somehow. She also decried the gang injunction as “unfair.”

    Dep. Chief Berkow, who’s now been relocated to Savannah, GA (say HI, Woody), was allegedly behind setting them up with “evidence,” using a gangbanger on their payroll, who was being fed inside dirt/ phony info as well as authentic personal stuff like bank accounts by Internal Affairs. Moreno and Garcia found out about it (gangbangers are more into playing tough ha-ha than poker), and say they have evidence. City Attorney Rochard Delgadillo, who’d placed the injunction but backed off enforcing it, is allegedly squirming, too, trying to cover his tracks.

    Now, all this MAY be wrong, it may be right — it’s just what I’ve been reading by alleged “inside sources.”

  • No one who wants to go on record — yet. They posted this Anon on at least one blog, but prefer to wait to see what Moreno and Garcia will do before going any further. (They, in turn, are apparently waiting to see what’s happening with their careers before they decide to blow the whistle.)

    Meanwhile, what’s been happening with Hahn’s program there, and is the gang injunction being enforced? Who’s assigned there now?

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