The Retrial of Lee Baca

Former Sheriff Lee Baca’s Long & Winding Legal Road Comes to An End as He is Ordered to Begin His Prison Term On Feb. 5

Celeste Fremon
Written by Celeste Fremon

Former LA County Sheriff Lee Baca is going to federal prison.

According to the order signed by U.S. District Judge Percy Anderson on Wednesday, Baca—who is 77-years-old and suffering from Alzheimer’s disease—is to report on or before February 5 to the U.S. Marshalls in order to begin his prison term of 36 months.

In his terse surrender order, Judge Anderson noted that Baca  was “originally charged in February 2016–nearly four years ago”–and was convicted by a jury “nearly three years ago.”

To be specific, the once-powerful and popular sheriff Leroy Baca was convicted in March 2017 of charges of conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction of justice, and of making false statements to federal investigators—all charges that came about when Baca got in the way of a federal investigation into brutality and corruption in LA County’s scandal-plagued jail system.

It took two lengthy trials to convict Baca, who was elected to his fourth term as the head of the nation’s largest sheriff’s agency in 2010. The first trial, which took place in December 2016, ended with a jury that declared itself hopelessly deadlocked—with eleven jurors voting to acquit, and a single juror holding out for a conviction.

In trial number two, things played out very differently when the jury deliberated for fourteen hours before delivering their unanimous verdict on the afternoon of March 15, 2017.

After the verdict had been read, the foreperson of the anonymous jury—whom trial watchers knew only as juror No. 8—came out to speak to those gathered. He said that on the first day of deliberation, when the group took an unofficial vote, eight of the jurors were already in the guilty column, but four were not at all certain.

The next day, according to the foreman, the remaining four each took the floor and presented their reservations to the rest of the jurors. “And we very methodically went through their questions, and listened.”

Asked what persuaded the not-guilty four to move to the guilty column, the foreman said there was no one fact that turned the tide, but that everyone seemed to have his or her own “aha moment.”

Yet, No. 8 wanted to emphasize that, although he and his fellow jurors became convinced that Baca had committed crimes, they didn’t find the former sheriff unsympathetic personally.

“We felt he was trying to protect his empire,” the foreman said of Baca’s motives, “the one he worked so hard to attain.”


The long and winding road to conviction

Yet, the journey to the 2017 guilty verdict was a long and winding one.

It began in July 2010 when the FBI started looking into a slew of complaints of abuse and corruption by sheriff’s deputies working in the Los Angeles County jail system. By the summer of 2011, the FBI’s civil rights team had interviewed a lot of inmates who told them disturbing stories, but the feds had become frustrated with the difficulty of finding ways to actually prove the reported incidents.

For years, various civil rights attorneys, justice advocates, and the ACLU of Southern California had pointed urgently to abuses in the jails but, aside from a few one-day stories in the local media, none of the accounts of alleged wrongdoing really stuck in the consciousness of the public. Then Sheriff Lee Baca was an enormously well-liked public official, with strong progressive credentials, and he told reporters and critics that, yes, there might be occasional incidents, but the county’s jails were filled with a lot of dangerous characters and sometimes force was necessary.

Yet the reports of wrongdoing didn’t stop, and increasingly there were reports made by civilians who were in the jails, teaching classes, ministering to inmates, or performing some other service, when they witnessed incidents that horrified them.

Finally, in the summer of 2011, the FBI investigative team came up with a strategy. They would launch an undercover operation in Men’s Central Jail, where the worst of the accounts of abuse seemed to be centered. To do so, they would use a jail informant whom they believed could help them with a sting. And so it was that 44-year-old bank robber Anthony Brown officially became a confidential informant for the FBI.

Brown claimed that he’d witnessed multiple instances of deputy-on-inmate brutality. He also said he had talked to at least two-jail deputies who indicated their willingness to bring in contraband for inmates, in return for money.

The sting was launched. Deputy Gilbert Michel agreed to bring inmate/informant Anthony Brown a contraband phone, in return for cash he received from an undercover agent posing as Brown’s friend on the outside.

In early August, however, jail deputies found Brown’s phone in a random search. A few days after that, jail investigators learned that the main number Brown was calling and texting belonged to the civil rights division of the LA office of the FBI. By August 18, 2011, news of the FBI phone and inmate/informant Brown reach department executives who reacted by hiding Brown from his FBI handlers, threatening FBI Special Agent Leah Marx Tanner with arrest, and forbidding bribe-taker Gilbert Michel and other potential deputy-witnesses to talk to federal investigators.

Nevertheless, the civil rights team continued to investigate.

On December 9, 2013, then U.S. Attorney Andre Birotte announced the first set of indictments that resulted from the investigation—18 in all. Seven of those 18 were department members who were charged with obstruction of justice for their part in the whole hiding-Anthony-Brown-FBI-agent-threatening matter.

In early February of 2014, Birotte announced two more sheriff’s department members had been indicted, bringing the total to 20. Yet, aside from two lieutenants, and two or three sergeants, most of those who were charged were deputies.

It was not at all clear if any additional indictments would move up the departmental food chain—never mind that those hiding Brown and/or threatening Special Agent Marx had to have gotten orders from someone.

Nevertheless, for a long time, sources close to the U.S. Attorney’s office said that there was little possibility that the controversial undersheriff, Paul Tanaka, would be held to answer legally for his part in the whole mess, much less the popular four-time elected sheriff.

Sources close to the U.S. Department of Justice said the same thing. “It’ll never happen,” one well-connected person told us back then.


A changing wind

The subject came up again in the summer and early fall of 2014, after the three deputies, two sergeants, and two lieutenants accused of obstruction of justice were convicted in a series of three trials, and given various sentences in federal prison. Media outlets like WLA kept asking the question: if these seven were guilty, what about those who ordered them to do all that obstructing? Nevertheless, the government’s legal arm did not show any obvious signs of reaching higher.

A few months later, however, in December of that same year, the winds seemed to change. Word was that there were new rounds of grand jury testimony, and the once-feared Tanaka might, in fact, soon be charged. (We remember hearing that his attorney was warned that taking a vacation in the next few months was unwise.) On Thursday, March 4, 2015, the rumors turned to fact when reporters got early morning texts advising them to get themselves downtown to the offices of the U.S. Attorney, pronto. Paul Tanaka, along with former LASD captain William “Tom” Carey, had just been indicted.

(Tanaka would eventually be convicted and sentenced to five years in federal prison.)

There was no word on whether there were any plans to reach beyond Tanaka. Yet, it appeared that never had all at once turned into maybe.

On February 11, 2016, less than a year after Paul Tanaka’s indictment, reporters got another notice to rush downtown for a mystery press conference at the U.S. Attorney’s office where they learned that, later that day, the former sheriff would formally plead guilty to one count of lying to federal officials. The alleged lying occurred when the feds questioned him in April 2013 about his part in the events of August and September 2011.

Yet, five months later still, in July 2016, when all parties had gathered the courtroom of Judge Percy Anderson for Baca’s sentencing based on his plea bargain, instead of handing down a sentence, Anderson announced that he didn’t like the 0-6 month sentencing scheme agreed to by the government and Baca’s team of lawyers. And then, as those in the courtroom watched goggle-eyed, Anderson proceeded to dynamite the plea deal.

A six-month sentence “would trivialize the seriousness of [Baca’s] offenses, his lack of respect for the law, and the gross abuse of the public trust…..” Anderson said, plus lots more to that same effect.

Rather than try for a new plea deal, Baca and his attorneys elected to go to trial. Fine, said the federal prosecutors and, on August 5, a federal grand jury indicted Baca for the same single count of lying he’d pleaded to earlier, plus two additional counts of obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to obstruct justice.

The first trial of Lee Baca began in mid-December of 2016. It ended approximately ten days later with a deadlocked jury after 24 hours of deliberation, causing Judge Anderson to declare a mistrial.

The near-acquittal caused many to believe that the government would not choose to retry the former sheriff.

But on January 10, 2017, the government announced it would retry him. And the prosecution team began rigorously retooling their trial strategy.  A unanimous guilty verdict was the result.


The path of appeal

Between Baca’s March 2017 conviction and now, the former sheriff and his lawyers first appealed to the 9th Circuit, which resulted in a lively hearing before a three-judge panel. Yet, despite their interest in some of the points made by Baca’s attorneys, the panel still upheld his conviction for three charges with an efficiently worded opinion, which knocked down the seven main points that Baca’s legal team made in their appeal. (You can read the ruling here.)

After the panel ruled against Baca, his attorneys requested what it called an en banc hearing, which is granted infrequently and would have meant that the court’s Chief Judge, and ten other randomly drawn judges, would again hear arguments about why Baca’s conviction should be reversed.  In mid-April of last year, however, the Ninth again said no.

This meant that  Baca’s last option was the Hail Mary of trying to convince the U.S. Supreme Court to hear his appeal.

In that the nation’s highest court hears only 100-150 of the more than 7,000 cases that it is asked to review each year, the request was a long shot.

And indeed SCOTUS turned Baca down this past Monday morning, January 13.

So it was that the decision made in the spring of 2017 by a jury of four women and eight men became the final word.

“I appreciate the jury system,” said a dignified-appearing Baca in front of the court after the word “guilty” was read aloud three times in succession in the federal courtroom nearly three years ago. “But I disagree with this verdict.”

“It’s just a privilege to be alive,” the former sheriff said finally. “I feel good.”

And then he escaped down the sidewalk, flanked by his wife, Carol, and his legal team.


The above photo by WLA of Lee Baca, his wife Carol, and members of his legal team headed by attorney Nathan Hochman, was taken in February 2017.

56 Comments

  • Adios Leroy. I disagree with what the feds trumped up against you. But so be it and I’m not shedding one tear.

    I’m not in the least bit upset because I watched you take a world class LASD and run it in to the ground. And 20 years later, it has not recovered from the seeds you cast all those years ago. You started the cancerous corruption of the LASD with the introduction of “pay to play” by awarding your cronies and political backers with promotions as soon as you were elected. Then you followed that up by having your bag men, Stonich and Waldie, extorting money from your your executive staff to contribute to your future campaigns (contrary to your predecessor’s policy of discouraging ANY involvement from his staff in his campaigns). Heck, you have not even found your office and those two were demanding money from the staff for your ridiculous idea of entering a float in the Rose Parade (your first of many crazy – and failing – ideas).

    And who can forget some of your memorable less-than-ethical decisions like developing a special class of “Volunteer Reserve” where you were giving away badges and guns to celebrities and high rollers like candy (despite staff warnings that the program was illegal). That went along well until one of your “Volunteers” went off the rails and the program was exposed – remember the hundreds of hours spent by staff trying to track down all those badges and guns before any real shit hit the fan?. And remember your “Field Deputies,” Bishop Turner and Mike Yamaki, two stellar full-time county employees with county cars and NO duties? Or recall how you handled the arrests of Paris Hilton and Mel Gibson? Or the letter you sent to President Clinton seeking a pardon for the dope-dealing son of one of LA’s high rollers? Or this or that? It was one unethical thing after another – and I won’t get in to the goofy stuff like going to Washington D.C. and fighting with a U.S. Congressman over international politics or your globe trotting in an attempt to become “Sheriff of the World.” Or spending millions on a compound at Pitchess to house female prisoners with children (again against staff advice) which never happened.
    I can go on and on with the money squandered on your hair-brained stuff…………..

    And of course turning the Department over to Paul Tanaka was your death knell. For a smart guy your are really dumb. You are a prime example of a guy who is (supposedly) intelligent but does not have an ounce of judgement. Despite repeated warnings by people within and outside the Department, you allowed PT to take more and more control of the LASD. You were more interested in your outside activities than what was happening with primary job – running the LASD. Between your inattention (although, in all honesty you were worthless as a manager – that is why your own staff kept information away from you because they knew you would screw stuff up) and Tanaka’s inclination to allow line level functions to get out of hand, the LASD was bound to end up on a Federal docket somewhere. That it ended up with you and Tanaka going to prison, perhaps is justice. The fact that other, much less culpable staff members got convicted is very sad. They are worth shedding a tear or two. Not you and Paul – you two deserve every day.

    So, Leroy the feds nailed you on a real hummer. But, in my book, you had it coming.

    • @ Blast from the Past – Your statement is true even in AV’s administration. “The cancerous corruption of the LASD with the introduction of “pay to play” by awarding your cronies and political backers with promotions as soon as you were elected”.

      AV has awarded a bunch of his cronies who helped get elected. These promotions include the latest of Captain G and, not to forget Captain B, tall Paul’s coin carriers and, others in his command staff. So if you for once think the Department has moved on – the answer is NO. AV has made it all about a grievance culture.

      You want to believe the Department has turned a leaf. You want to believe the Department is run with policies and principles that reflect the better angels of our creed, and not our most selfish desires. Unfortunately the Department has fallen further into the doldrums. The cult and culture at the top is performative dickishness, of never -back- down- fuck -youism.

  • Baca’s story will be deeply entrenched in LA history, for worse at first glance and deservedly so of course, but for better for other less appreciated reasons. I am sure this thread will be be filled with vitriol and sympathy, perhaps in equal measure, perhaps all deserved whatever the viewpoint. My view is Baca strived for good (e.g. EBD, et al.) yet his massive failures consumed such benevolence. He will, justifiably so, be remembered as one of the worst Sheriffs in LA County history. No greater injustice was done to the LASO rank and file by Baca’s corruption was paving the way for James McDonnell to win election as his successor. McDonnell, from day one, was on a mission to absolutely screw the line and he was deservedly drummed out of office. The overarching point is he would have never sniffed the top Star but for Baca’s malfeasance. At the end of the day all I can say is, at least Baca left us with EBD.

  • The LASD has not had a perfect Sheriff. Block was probably the best, but heck, who knows what scandals he was able to squash in the pre-internet era. Baca was a good man, but had PLENTY of really stupid lapses in judgement in the many years he was the boss. I really resented McDonnell’s hang em all approach (with Teran as his executioner), but, because he was an outsider, I didn’t see the cronyism and nepotism that I’ve seen with AV. Nothing has ever even come close to whats happening now with so many lieutenants sitting in chief’s and assistant sheriff’s chairs.

    I will say this for AV; he’s a believer in redemption. Recent promotions to captain prove you can do (MANY) days off for lying, get caught with a take home car (when you don’t HAVE a take home car) and even get involved in sex scandals with subordinates (complete with PICS) and STILL be put in charge of a facility or station. Heck, one captain (who donated heavily to AV’s campaign) did MUCH worse than that and was promoted to the Sheriff’s office.

    Now, AV and a dozen of his inner circle will be taking a trip to the Superbowl in Miami. Of course, there’s a GREAT reason for the trip….preparation for the 2028 Olympics in LA.

    Airfare, meals, hotels (won’t be a Motel 6) rental cars, game tickets…..it won’t be cheap, but it’ll be a trip to remember. Not to worry, though, I’m sure not a DIME of taxpayer’s money is being spent on the trip and I’m sure NONE of them are going on-duty.

    LASD is continuing on it’s inexorable slide into a policing agency you’d find south of the border instead of the proud organization it once was.

  • Sounds like someone is upset they were taken off the list to Miami and were also moved from an influential spot and stripped of their power altogether. Sour grapes doesn’t make good wine.

    • @ Navaho – In place of the ones taken off the list to Miami, the added names are Mandoyon, Captain B, Sergeant B ( who is on a 120 day contract and gets a County car now ), possibly AV’s son and wait – wait – wait the loyal CA – G.

      Why the fuck does AV need to go to Miami for the Super Bowl on taxpayers dime. The damn Olympics in LA are not until 2028. He will be joining Baca by then.

      I remember AV complaining about McD purchasing the new GMC ( in AV’s grievance filled mind – he thought McD bought it because Beck bought the same vehicle) – now AV has bought a new Suburban. GTFOH!!!

      AV will follow in Baca’s footsteps – just like Baca he ponders to criminality ( Bandidos & Reapers ) incompetence, assault & harassment on women ( Mandoyan ). These are part of the incentive structures of working for Team AV.

  • Apostle, That is just the tip of the iceberg, so much non sense going on. like his Chief from Court Services sending out a Deputy to pick up her Christmas presents, drop off Amazon packages etc. really you cant do that yourself on your own time. The best part is how he keeps promoting people that were (and still are) loyal to the Chiefs he fired last year, that will come back to haunt him. And yea his Chief of Staff gave 3G to the election. But no pay to play here, move along people you see nothing. AV we see it all.

    • This all is just in a year. A lot more to come. We all hated McD – he was too aggressive and, wanted to hang and lynch us all ( Teran was the executioner ). We had this notion- if we have our person ( no matter the flaws ) he was still our devil – man it’s going to get ugly.

  • Moving forward, you chose to see what you want to see, and ignore what’s inconvenient for your argument. Typical and pathetic, nothing new. It cracks me up how you critics are so sure of who is loyal to who and for what reason. You guys think the fortunes of the department are somehow linked to your personal success or loss of privilege, LOL. Pay to play scandal? Um, I suggest anyone who wants to make this claim go to lavote.net and pull all the 460’s for this campaign. That way you can match up the donors with the promotion and find out there’s a nothing burger waiting for you.

    For those keeping score, Sheriff V has promoted close to three hundred individuals to date, from sergeant to undersheriff. The face of the department is changing, slowly but surely. Those lamenting their loss of privilege, it really breaks my heart. All those years you guys spent embarrassing yourselves, humiliating your loved ones while you surgically attached your lips to someone’s white posterior, only to find out your beloved “batting order” has been relegated to the dustbin of history, is truly priceless.

    Now run along, find some experience serving the community instead of yourself, and get some education while you’re at it. I know, the horrors! Along the way a well earned lesson in humility is in store for those who forgot what it’s like to be a deputy sheriff and earn an honest living. There are enough people still loyal to the institution who care to see Sheriff V succeed who will help him win reelection when the time comes. There will still be an angry, bitter crowd of former self-appointed masters of the universe who will talk shit on this forum, but their numbers dwindle by the day.

    And while you guys plot to overthrow the lieutenant who became sheriff, know this: the line staff really likes him, and so does the community. He’s going to continue running up the score, increasing his influence, name recognition, and electability. Oh, and he doesn’t need a dime from department members, LOL.

  • Keep- Dreaming. I have been retired since before AB was elected. If half of what is put out here is true, there’s some serious issues that are gonna bite AV in the ass and drag our beloved Department down.
    Remember, loyalty should be to the Department as a whole, not one man. We all should have seen that concept displayed over the past years.

  • Thank you guys for so articulately proving my point. All you guys can do is dwell on who is promoted, and that’s pretty much the entirety of your concerns. Let me know when AV hires a convicted felon, or hands out a CCW to one, or obstructs a federal investigation. I guess having the LASD budget short changed half a billion dollars is of no concern to you, neither is the naked power play from the BOS to assert political control over the department. Subpoena power to an OIG under criminal investigation means little to your crowd, and neither does the mini-deep state created by departing executives and county hacks working on behalf of the BOS. Little things like the BOS enlisting the Sybil Brand Commission to do the dirty work of the Civilian Oversight Commission don’t even register on your radar, you’re too consumed by who got promoted or who didn’t.

    And yet in spite of the entire political establishment and the esteemed LA Times throwing everything but the kitchen sink at our sheriff, he’s kept the department heading in the right direction serving the community, lowering crime rates, increasing hiring to historic levels, and finally giving every employee a voice in their own department and feeling like they truly matter.

    Pitchess, Block, and Baca had it easy by comparison.

    • Keep Dreaming – AV re-hired Mandoyan ( AV did not realize he had a plan until he got punched in the face by the Courts )
      AV looked the other side when it came to the Bandidos + Reapers – hell he even promoted the Captain from ELA.
      You sure AV did not give away CCW’s to Mandoyans Armenian friends + campaign donors ( you know the ones from Calabasas ( ring a bell )
      Talk about AV’s naked power play to investigate the OIG ( this is the best ) reminds me of tall Paul threating the Federal agent. GTFOH.
      Hiring his son ( the guy would not get hired anywhere + he will need a Body attachment to show up to Court ).

  • 415 Enigma, you forgot one other possible attendee for the Superbowl junket. The deputy who was involved in the horrible 2017 collision in ELA where two boys were killed. She was found at fault but avoided criminal charges. Regardless the County will pay millions to the boys’ parents.

    She was on training at the time but is somehow related to AV and is now working in (you guessed it) the Sheriff’s Office.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sheriff-boyle-heights-wreck-20181127-story.html

    • With no dog in this fight, unfortunately for the LASD female trainee, leaving patrol is the best thing for her.

      Taking the lives of two children in a tragic accident is traumatic and life lingering, removing her from the field (patrol) is the best thing for her.

      Can you cite your source and accurate
      information on her being related to AV?

      • @ Factoid aka KD aka Skippy – Stop the entire BS – we are removing her and placing her at the Sheriff’s office because it is the best thing for her.

        Tell the truth -Deputy ER she is very close – I mean very close to AV’s mrs. She treats her like her own daughter. So just be honest- it’s a family thing. She is one of us and, we are going to protect her. Fuck the rest of you guys.

          • Confirmed, Deputy ER was overnighted to personnel as a background investigator from ELA. Now she’s an aide for the Chief of Staff.

            Tragic how two kids lost their life behind the accident, while Deputy ER was responding unauthorized code-3.

  • Agreed, Factoid. Horrible for all parties involved, but I’ve never heard of a deputy who hadn’t even completed patrol training working in the Sheriff’s Office. Heck, I don’t think a deputy (other than the Sheriff’s drivers) have worked in that office, period. Let alone one who had been involved in such a notorious incident.

    Of course, I can’t cite the source….remember AV’s motto? “Restore, Rebuild, Revenge.”

    I’m on my way out, so I’m not concerned about me, but I still have people on the Department I care about.

  • @Anthony Brown, regarding your second to last sentence. That all changed when Bad, Bad Leroy Baca became Sheriff and Pay-to-play became the way to career success. That mantra is the metastatic cancer that is the ruin of being “loyal to the Department”.

    To an unscrupulous leader being “loyal to the Department”, is being disloyal to him or her.

    • It wasn’t the mantra when I worked. If you are right, I guess things have changed. Too bad. Embarrass and/or dishonor one member of the department without cause, it’s a stain on the entire department. That’s the mantra we all worked under.

  • Sounds like you guys won’t be happy until you get your way. You guys ever thought of letting AV or someone close to him know your concerns and frustrations? Just trying to remedy all this hatred.

  • High and Holy, Absolutely. Myself and others have talked directly to AV, unfortunately he changed November 2018, and refuses to listen. He only will listen to two people, his wife and Mandoyan. (If anybody thinks Mandoyan is not still involved your wrong, he is.) I hate airing negative stuff, so after this post I am done. Retirement in March looks great.

  • Well, if Mandoyan and his wife give him good advise then i don’t see a problem with it. In life you need one or two people that will have your best interest at heart. The rest will only want what is best for them and only them.

    So far everything that I’ve seen and am hearing from those in the department and my city manager in Cerritos, everyone seems to like what AV is doing. The rest of this just sounds like personal issues with Mandoyan and AV’s wife.

    I saw this same exact thing happen during Leroy’s reign with just different characters. Move along with your lives and your retirement my friend. No need to exhaust all this energy worrying about miniscule issues. Your goal is to live a stress free retirement and outlast LACERA.

    • @9 Adam

      I don’t know AV or his spouse.

      Like I said in my earlier post my friend, ‘Different reign different characters.’ Someone is always going to be unhappy with something or someone.

      That is all.

  • @ High Holy – I do understand and anticipated there were going to be different characters in AV’s circle. The last 3 have had their own list of characters – however, I did not envision someone like Mandoyan, who was fired from the Department to have a say in the day to day operations. We have gone down to a new low when it comes to dirtbags. No wonder the BOS is out to Fuck AV & in turn the LASD. Hell I remember AV complaining about McD purchasing a new vehicle – his reason being McD bought the GMC because Beck got one. Fast forward AV just bought a new vehicle for himself. Guess the BUDGET woes do not worry him much. He does complain about it a lot though.

  • @415 Enigma

    This to me sounds like an envy of Mandoyan. Also, calling another deputy a dirtbag is out of line and uncalled for. I also doubt Mandoyan is running the day to day operations, unless you have some concrete facts to prove that. Other than that your frustration is more evident of a jealous demeanor.

    So what that AV bought a car for himself, every other Sheriff has done the same. Additionally, the BOS has always been out to run our department; now they’re flexing their power with AV. I’m glad he’s not budging or conforming to their demands, just like Pitches, Block and Leroy did.

    These are the minuscule issues I mentioned earlier you shouldn’t consume yourself with or worry about. Everything seems to be going in the right direction and all I see here are comments stemming from jealousy.

    I personally think whatever issue you have with Mandoyan, you do the right thing and address it with him in person like a man.

    The actions against him are obviously political because of his connection with AV. I wish them both well and if Mandoyan was wronged, he deserves his job back plus more, considering everything he and I’m sure his family has gone through. I’ll definitely support that.

    • High like a kite – Last time I checked Mandoyan is not a Deputy with LASD. His actions caused him to destroy his career. Actions do have consequences – Unless your boy is AV who is going to protect you.

  • @9 Adam

    The value of your criticism just diminished along with your credibility. Your issue is obviously personal with Mandoyan, nothing else and reeks of jealousy.

    I suggest you address it with him in person like it was done back in my day. But from the sound of your posts, I doubt you’d exercise that option.

  • Blast: Your comments are the best of all of them. I don’t know how any of the retired Undersheriffs can sleep at night? As far as Lee Baca goes he needs to step up and convey all he knows and set the innocent free. But, I doubt that Baca will. I pray for the good of all Law Enforcement agencies around America.

    Baca: All your life you would perform good deeds attached to your motives of ambition. Your charity was tainted with ego and your selection of executives was made clear of what kind of managers you wanted-a bunch of yes men. As this article so aptly put it; this is exactly what your worked so hard to get! You once told me that you believed in God. OK, then you must do what is right.

    • 415: I made no reference about Sheriff AV. So, I don’t understand your response? One day Pharisees mocked Jesus about who he (Jesus) hung around with. Apparently, Jesus preferred the company of prostitutes, thugs, tax collectors, banditos, commentators on WLA and any other sinner Jesus could reach. It seems that Jesus came for the sinners of the world. “The healthy are not in need of a physician the sick are.” I do agree that we need to do better at selecting people for the job. However, the system keeps picking sinners like me and you LOL. A huge mistake I made was I once thought that Baca would be a good change for LASD. Was I wrong or what? As Rocky said “It’s not how hard you get hit and get knocked down but if you can get back up.” Or something to that effect. I once boxed for a living.

      Ineffable means that this quality is too great to express. If true then how can we ever teach others about a quality that differs from person to person? If you read the comments you’ll note these differences in this quality. As an American you have the right to express yourself as long as it is within the rules of commenting, re WLA. I sense that you have a lot of anger in your heart and likely this hate is justified? However, hate is like you taking poison hoping the person you hate dies? If I am wrong I apologize up front. I have to call you out one a rule of commenting.
      C: COMMENTS ABOUT SPOUSES IS OUT OF BOUNDS FOR COMMENTING ACCORDING TO THE RULES.

      Last, try to not use profanity as it takes away from your message. Please note that I want to know what you believe.
      Take care

      • Um: Regardless of the fact that you were a punch drunk sparring partner and a wannabe philosopher, your post had a dose of truth in it.

        You have to do a better job as you attempt to quote biblical scriptures.

      • @ Um- my faith taught me to be compassionate – to forgive – to stand up for the weak – stand up for truth – to not be vindictive – …….I think you know where I am getting to… oh wait it also taught me to be grateful .. so when it comes to AV he seems to have forgotten all that on Dec 3 rd 2018.

  • @415 Enigma

    I suggest you run for Sheriff and run the department your way. Also, i don’t know what the code is nowadays, but we never spoke ill of or let alone spoke about someone’s spouse publicly such as what you are and have been doing. That’s completely out of bounds my friend. Say what you want, it’s tasteless to drag the guy’s spouse into this.

    You’re obviously upset and angry over something. As I suggested earlier, take it up with the source or don’t worry about it.

    But your continuous disparaging comments with embedded threats and vile descriptions are troubling and can and should be treated as credible threats by the department.

    If I were AV, I’d exhaust every resource and legal measures available to find out who you (415 Enigma) are .

    Your comments and anger towards his spouse and Mandoyan are troubling and a sign of someone who’s unstable and susceptible of anything.

  • Editor’s Note,

    Dear “415 Enigma” and…friends,

    Enough with family bashing. I just trashed several comments and am about 8 seconds away from blocking you.

    Fair warning.

    C.

    PS: High Holy, if you see comments that you believe are “credible threats,” let me know. Don’t start making your own threats. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

  • @ High Holy – I am in no way threatening AV nor his spouse. However, [WLA edit] Are you saying AV is going down the road of tall Paul and, threaten people who call him out. As of right now that’s what I feel from your response.

    So what you are saying is – It is ok to publicly name names – but it is not fair game when they are called out.

  • What happens in anyone’s little world during their Sheriff’s Department tour cannot even address the corruption that has occurred on this department over the decades. So, talk on. But anyone who believes that a prison sentence for Former Sheriff Baca and Paul Tanaka is a fair punishment because they didn’t like their assignment or were not promoted or didn’t get “in the car” to success are possibly mental. I have been the object of management’s ire more than once but I have never felt ill will to the point that I would applaud the imprisonment of any cop by a corrupt FBI and DOJ under the Obama administration. So, take your shots, boys and girls. I’ve had worse. Lucky enough to fight off every phony investigation (with some help) and walked away without any history of discipline and I’m still alive and well. Be safe out there if you’re still at it. The job today is much different than forty years ago.

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