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Follow the Gang Money, Part 2: The Interventionists – by Matt Fleischer

EDITOR’S NOTE: With 1,076 known gangs and 80,757 gang members in Los Angeles County (according to the LA Sheriff’s Department) LA is still the gang capital of the nation. To address the gang violence problem that has tens of thousands of our city’s children reporting that they are scared on their walk to school, Los Angeles has budgeted $26 million.

So, is our city using that pot of taxpayer dollars well and wisely? Are the programs it buys making our violence-haunted communities safer? Are they effective in helping kids-on-the-edge stay out of gangs? Do they offer tools and alternatives to those desperately seeking a route out of gang life?

These are some of the questions we asked with our two-part investigation: Follow the Gang Money, reported and written by Matt Fleischer (and copy edited by Craig Gaines).

Follow the Gang Money is the first effort to come out of the LA Justice Report, which was created through a partnership between WLA and Spot.Us.

In the course of his investigation, reporter Matt Fleischer found bright spots, to be sure. But he also found a city gang program mired in secrecy, plagued by bureaucratic bungling, and lacking in the kind of accountability that was repeatedly promised when all of LA’s gang dollars were transferred from the city council to the mayor’s office.

In Part 1, Matt looked at the city’s flawed gang prevention program and why it was systematically excluding many of LA’s kids who most needed its services.

Now he looks at the rest of the story with his exploration of the city’s gang intervention program.

In doing so, he finds a whole new set of bureaucratic screw ups that resulted in even more wasted evaluation money than the City Controller originally reported.

Even more troubling, he finds that the strategy in which the city has invested most of its intervention $$—touted as the model for the nation—is in fact a copy of a much criticized program that has been shown in multiple studies to be ineffective at best and, when replicated in one city, actually harmful.

You’ll find the details and more in Part 2 of Follow the Gang Money.


PART TWO: THE INTERVENTIONISTS

Is the city pouring its gang dollars into a strategy that won’t work?

by Matthew Fleischer

Jose Leon remembers the first time he saw a shootout in the streets of his Boyle Heights neighborhood. “I was 5 years old and staying at my uncle’s place. I looked out the window and saw this guy running down the middle of the street, shooting. I got scared.”

A squat, powerful man with a shaved head, tattoos peeking out of his sleeves and eyes that read much older than his 21 years, Jose’s life in Boyle Heights got, if anything, more traumatic as the years passed until it read like a blueprint for gang membership by the time he was an adolescent.

“I had aunts and uncles who used to slang [sell drugs]. They were from the old neighborhood—Soto Street.”

As Jose got older, the shootings in his neighborhood became a routine part of his day, and fear of street life turned to fascination. He joined a tagging crew when he was 11 and joined a full-fledged street gang shortly thereafter. He was stabbed at age 14 when a rival crew ambushed him at Roosevelt High School.

“I got stuck in the stomach,” he says. “Spent a few days in the hospital.”

When Jose graduated from Roosevelt in 2006, he thought about getting out of gang life. But he was unsure how to replace the camaraderie and the income, frankly, that the gang world provided. He tried to find a job, but with no luck: By that time, Jose had a criminal record and no one wanted to take the risk in hiring him.

So he continued to sell drugs to get by when things were lean.

Then, two years ago, Jose saw a road out when he began working with Johnny Godines, a local gang intervention worker with the East LA nonprofit Soledad Enrichment Action (SEA). Jose had met Godines back in high school. He was an old-timer who had turned his life around and was now helping kids in the schools and on the streets. Godines knew the game, knew all Jose was going through, and had kept an eye out for him. But more importantly, he was a friend and mentor who constantly reminded Jose there were better things in life than what gangs had to offer.

“Johnny and me had some really good conversations. He said things that made me start thinking about me.”

Nearly eight months ago, thanks to his relationship with Godines, Jose landed a job in SEA’s human resources department. Now he works 8:30 to 5 to support his infant son and says he has no desire to return to gang life. By all accounts, Jose’s is a true gang-intervention success story—the kind that the city would seemingly want to see replicated with other troubled youth across the city.

But even though SEA is the largest organization within the Gang Reduction and Youth Development network (it runs one-third of the GRYD’s 12 neighborhood zones) stories like Jose’s are rare within the city-run program. Therapy, education, tattoo removal, and especially job training and placement—the kinds of things that are essential in helping gang members to leave the life for good—are not the priorities of the roughly $7 million intervention side of the $26 million program. (GRYD also has a prevention component [see Part 1 of this series].) Instead, the city’s intervention focus is on something called “proactive peacemaking,” otherwise known as hardcore street intervention.

GRYD’s intervention model is based on Chicago’s “CeaseFire” program, and it works like this: Local men and women–often former gang members who still have clout on the streets–are assigned to the GRYD neighborhood zone they are most familiar with, and instructed to sniff out threats of retributive violence between gang members and to try to broker truces between rival gangs. Intervention workers serve as both liaisons between gangs—a reliable means of transmitting messages between rivals—and sources of street expertise for the Los Angeles Police Department, with whom they have weekly meetings to discuss hotspots and crime trends and are supposed to contact if a violent showdown seems imminent.

GRYD has codified this method of intervention by investing $200,000 per year in the Los Angeles Violence Intervention Training Academy (LAVITA), which is attempting to train and professionalize street intervention workers and standardize their approach in the field.

“Our mission is not to break up a gang,” says Susan Lee, the Advancement Project’s director of urban peace, who oversees LAVITA. “Our mission is to reduce violence. We are about peacemaking.”

Advancement Project co-director and civil rights attorney Connie Rice explains the mission in more detail: “Hardcore police suppression has not reduced gang influence in our city. Gangs saturate the physical spaces of our neighborhoods: parks, schools, hospitals. We’ve let this problem get to the point where we need people with the street credibility to negotiate with gangs. Police can’t do it. Academics can’t do it. Politicians can’t do it. I can’t do it. These guys can.”

LAPD agrees, and though initially skeptical of street interventionists, they have come around to viewing these men and women as a useful component of violence reduction. “Without question we call on these guys,” says Northeast LAPD Captain Bill Murphy. “It’s my experience they know what’s going on and they provide options for how to deal with various situations. You can’t just arrest your way out of a problem.”

But while the idea of training former gang members to roam their old stomping grounds and talk their homies into forgoing violence has an undeniable narrative sexiness, and the backing of the LAPD, it’s an open question whether this strategy actually has a measurable impact. There is much evidence to suggest that, absent other services and active community involvement, “proactive peacemaking” produces no long-term effect, and in certain instances can even make things worse. In a 2010 RAND study of Pittsburgh’s GRYD-like street intervention program, RAND researcher Jeremy Wilson theorizes “that the presence of outreach workers increased the cohesion of gangs, making some groups more organized, in turn leading to increased violence.”

The real $26 million question facing Los Angeles is why are we basing a gang-reduction strategy on a model that has no proven long-term results?



WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIFE?

On a hot, muggy day in mid-May, Father Greg Boyle enters the front door of Homeboy Industries in downtown Los Angeles to find several hundred current and former gang members staring him in the face.

“Happy birthday,” the entire room yells in unison before launching into song—once in English and once in Spanish.

Boyle professes surprise, but the secret birthday party has become an annual rite of spring at Homeboy Industries, America’s largest gang-intervention program. Boyle’s efforts have helped thousands of kids escape gang life and have earned him a national reputation. This year, however, while cake is passed around and conversation flows, there’s somber reality lying just beneath the surface of the celebratory mood. Virtually all of its more than 427 employees have just been laid off, and the future of the program is in serious doubt. News of Homeboy’s financial troubles have gone national—yet the program is nowhere near to raising the $5 million it needs to continue to run its programs. Its fate, and the fate of all those celebrating, is a giant question mark.

The potential catastrophic cuts in Homeboy’s services come at an especially crucial time since, with unemployment still in double digits, former gang members needing jobs are coming to them for help in greater numbers than ever. Homeboy, as well as organizations like the Toberman Neighborhood Center in San Pedro, practice a different type of intervention from the city’s Gang Reduction and Youth Development network—a services-based model that focuses on turning gang members into productive members of society instead of the tourniquet approach of asking gang members not to shoot at each other.

“We don’t deal with gangs, we deal with gang members,” says Boyle.

The logic behind the approach is similar to the CIA’s refusal to negotiate with terrorist organizations—although Boyle certainly wouldn’t put it in those terms. Instead of dealing with the gangs themselves, Homeboy serves gang members, plus men and women freshly out of prison and on parole, who want to turn their lives around. There are tens of thousands in each category, 12,000 of whom walk through the doors of Homeboy Industries every year looking to reinvent their lives.

Homeboy Industries offers various types of job training and placement programs. Its solar panel installation training program in partnership with East L.A. Skills Center has a long waiting list. Homeboy also has its own businesses, which employ 150 to 200 former gang members: Homeboy Bakery, Homeboy Silkscreen and Embroidery, Homeboy Merchandise, Homeboy Maintenance and the Homegirl Café. In addition, the program offers tattoo removal, GED prep, computer training, substance abuse counseling, legal advice, reentry services for parolees and juvenile probationers, comprehensive mental health and family counseling.

In other words, Homeboy Industries offers the basic services that a gang member most needs to send his or her life in a productive direction.

Boyle admits he is not a big fan of the hardcore street intervention method. Before developing Homeboy, Boyle says he practiced street intervention for nearly a decade, brokering truces, racing late at night between warring gangs to calm violent situations, chasing down individual kids who he knew were at risk of shooting. But by the mid-1990s he concluded that it was not an effective strategy. He also says sending in former gang members to do street intervention keeps them bound to the gang milieu.

“You wouldn’t send a recovering alcoholic into a bar to recruit for AA,” says Boyle. “It’s the same principle here. People have to want to leave this life behind.”

But is there evidence that the services-based model works any better?

As it turns out, there is. Homeboy Industries reports a 70 percent retention rate, which is quite high given that 30 percent is considered good among program evaluators. (Alcoholics Anonymous has a 10 percent retention rate.)“And out of the 30 percent who drop out [of the Homeboy programs],” says Mona Hobson, Homeboy’s director of development, 10 percent to 15 percent return “when they’re ready to embrace the program.”

Homeboy’s individual programs show similarly upbeat results. For instance, Liz Miller of the University of California, Davis, studied 502 clients of Homeboy’s Mental Health Education and Treatment Assistance Service, and found a dive in “depressive symptoms” from 64 percent to 26 percent during a three-month period.

Now Homeboy is being evaluated even more rigorously. UCLA researchers are two years into a five-year longitudinal study of the program’s effectiveness. The research regarding Homeboy’s success in transforming its clients’ mental and behavioral health isn’t final, but lead researcher Jorja Leap, an adjunct associate professor at UCLA’s Department of Social Welfare, says: “Homeboy is off the chart at stemming the tide of reincarceration. Simply in terms of cost effectiveness, services at Homeboy cost about $40,000 per person per year. It costs upward of $120,000 a year to put a person through the criminal justice system. And the preliminary evaluation outcomes [at Homeboy] are remarkable.”

Homeboy isn’t the only model in Los Angeles that has shown proven results. Leap also spent two years evaluating the Professional Community Intervention Training Institute (PCITI), run by longtime interventionist Aquil Basheer, who’s been doing this type of work since 1969, and found promising results. Basheer’s training methods yielded a 95 percent retention rate.

Interestingly, unlike Homeboy, Basheer’s model incorporates hardcore street intervention into its services-based approach. “I applaud the city and anyone out there trying to save lives,” says Basheer. “But if gang intervention is an octopus, hardcore street intervention is just one tentacle.”

More important, he says, is community intervention. “If we’re not empowering, and putting systems in place for communities to provide for themselves, then we aren’t accomplishing anything. We want to put systems in place where we can eventually pull back from a community and have them take care of things on their own.”

PCITI has a job development program, it runs food drives, and it organizes community crisis centers where residents can speak to one another and get updates about neighborhood violence.

Connie Rice agrees that such strategies are critical to solving the gang problem in Los Angeles. But, she argues, there aren’t enough resources for their widespread implementation. Instead, building the intervention infrastructure to save lives and stem the tide of violence is the natural place to begin.

“There are 1,000 gangs in this city. You can’t develop these exit-ramp type programs in a war zone. The first stage of a wrap-around strategy is suppression. The real question is why aren’t we talking about a $100 million program. Why are we spending as much on an alligator enclosure at the zoo as we are on gang intervention?”

But Basheer argues that money is less of an issue than priorities: “I’d estimate we have about an eighth of the resources of your average GRYD provider and we’re able to get the job done.”



IF LA’S STREET INTERVENTION IS THE TOURNIQUET, WHAT IS THE CURE?

The need for job training and more service-based intervention within the Gang Reduction and Youth Development network isn’t a secret among the city’s street-intervention providers. City Controller Wendy Greuel’s June audit of GRYD mentioned providers openly complaining about not having the resources to provide reentry services to those recently released from California prisons. But that’s not all. During an interview with Soledad Enrichment Action’s intervention director, Tony Zepeda, Johnny Godines comes in the room, unaware a reporter is present. (Godines is the intervention worker who helped turn around Jose Leon’s life.) He says to Zepeda loudly, “We need to get more job training programs started.”

Asked to expand on his statement, Godines says, “If you give a kid a job, he’ll take it instead of selling dope.”

Other experienced interventionists in the GRYD network say the same thing. Leon Gallet, director of the Community Build intervention program in the Baldwin Village GRYD zone, says job development is absolutely critical to ending gang violence. Gang members have to support themselves somehow. But a job is only part of the service-based work that needs to be done.

“There’s a lot of work to be done to get these guys ready for a job,” he says. “You can’t just bring them in off the street and put them in a 9-to-5.”

Gallet explained that gang members often need to be reintroduced to standard social norms like showing up on time, not cursing at work, dressing properly, calling in when they’re sick, and not solving work conflicts with threats and fists. Many need anger-management and conflict-resolution skills, he says, so they don’t snap at co-workers during stressful times.

They also frequently need help with a place of residence. “A lot of gang members are homeless,” adds Gallet. “They’re not counted as homeless because they bounce between family and other gang members. But the lack of home is what often keeps these guys in the life.”

All of the above is what a services-based program attempts to provide, and GRYD makes a gesture in that direction. Community Build has enrolled 54 gang-affiliated men and women for “case management.” But other than weekly “life skills” classes and some limited mental health and family counseling, the two GRYD-paid case managers mostly refer clients to whatever county agencies might be appropriate or to other, non-GRYD-funded organizations, like Homeboy Industries, which provide the services the city has not deemed a priority.

“I could get the crime stats down with more resources,” Gallet says. “There’s about six guys in every neighborhood that cause most of the trouble. You work on two or three of them, get them enrolled in services and the violence starts to go down.”

Gallet doesn’t discount the notion of street intervention. It’s a valuable recruiting tool for the services, he argues. And Gallet says GRYD is making progress in coming around to services-based intervention. Under GRYD’s direction, Community Build has added mental health counseling to its repertoire of intervention services.

But when asked about the Homeboy service model and job development efforts, Gallet says, “We’d love to have something like that down here.”


…AND ANOTHER $120,000 VANISHES


These philosophical arguments about the merits of hardcore street intervention
versus a services-based approach would be less important if there were hard evidence that Gang Reduction and Youth Development’s street philosophy was measurably changing the health and well being of the communities it serves. Unfortunately, as with the prevention side of GRYD, such evaluations, while repeatedly promised, have not materialized despite the $525,000 spent so far on assessments. Moreover, as with GRYD’s prevention programs, a perplexing level of bureaucratic bungling torpedoed what evaluation might have taken place.

According to Terry Dunworth, the lead GRYD researcher at the Urban Institute (UI), virtually all the statistics gathered by intervention providers on their gang clients—information on the volume and frequency of services provided, as well as on the growth and setbacks of clients and their families—lacked informed consent, meaning the gang members who received GRYD intervention services did not sign off on allowing a third party like the UI to study information compiled about them. Informed consent is federally mandated for studies like the kind UI was hired to implement, says Dunworth. Despite the fact that GRYD spent nearly $120,000 for intervention data collection last year—in addition to the money spent on the UI study—the Urban Institute is legally unable to evaluate this information, rendering it worthless. “The UI board wouldn’t allow us to review this information even if we wanted to,” Dunworth explains.

The reasons for the lack of informed consent are many. Intervention providers have refused to ask gang members to sign off on allowing outsiders to view their information because they fear the request could break the hard-earned trust they have built in the streets. Gang members want help, the argument goes, they don’t want to be studied—a concern Dunworth views as legitimate.

Leap acknowledges these issue are very tricky. It took nearly nine months to resolve the issue of informed consent in her study of Homeboy Industries. But Leap and others insist it can be done.

“In my experience,” Leap says, “some gang members don’t want to be tape recorded. But other than that, I’ve had no problems in recruiting gang members to participate in research studies.”

Leap mentions a three-year evaluation she’s conducting on the Weingart Foundation-funded Street Ambassador intervention program serving South Los Angeles, run by the Unity Collaborative. “The Unity Collaborative does a tremendous job. If the providers don’t turn over their data on a monthly basis,” she says, “they don’t get their check. I have never had a problem collecting data from them.”

Last spring, an intervention task force that included the UI, GRYD and various intervention providers was assembled to resolve the data-collecting issue—but the group disbanded after just one meeting, and has yet to be reconstituted.

“[Participating in a task force] wasn’t in the providers’ contracts,” says GRYD Director Guillermo Cespedes. “We recognized the problem, and a working group will be put together in the new contract year.”

In the meantime, the plan is to gauge GRYD’s intervention efforts primarily on crime stats in the GRYD zones. But even this analysis has not been completed, because the LAPD only recently turned over its detailed crimes statistics to the Urban Institute—stats that break down crime trends on a block-by-block basis and account for things like increased police deployment in certain neighborhoods. Without these variables accounted for, it’s impossible to tell whether drops in crime are attributable to gang intervention or increased police presence in certain neighborhoods, or if they are simply in keeping with larger state and national crime trends.

And even so, explains Leap, crime stats tell only part of the story. They don’t show how many gang members have left the life, like Jose, or whether middle school kids feel safer on their way to school.

“Crime stats alone have no validity in measuring community health,” says Leap. “They are a black-and-white photograph, instead of a 3-D movie.”

A similar principle arguably holds true for Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa’s popular Summer Night Lights program, which he routinely likes to boast has single-handedly dropped crime in GRYD zones by double-digit percentages—although no such direct correlation has been proven. Furthermore, as wonderful as it is to open up neighborhood parks for extended hours and to add a list of new activities during those hours to keep kids busy and off the street, Summer Night Lights only exists for six weeks in the summer—hardly what one could call a comprehensive gang program for a complex metropolis the size of Los Angeles.

Cespedes counters that Summer Night Lights isn’t simply a device to keep potential gang members busy, it’s a recruiting tool. “We have intervention and prevention workers at these events, speaking to community and getting to know gang members.”

But, again, recruiting for what? If the city doesn’t make wrap-around services available, what are young men and women being recruited to? The idea of services-based intervention is to provide an alternative to the street. Without such programs, especially in today’s jobless economy, where are those recruited supposed to go? What does the city hope they will do?



THE FIRE NEXT TIME

While Los Angeles hasn’t yet worked out a methodology to evaluate its own intervention approach, a string of studies of other urban gang programs in Chicago, Boston and Pittsburgh suggest that LA—the nation’s gang capital—may not be on the right track.

As mentioned earlier, a RAND study of Pittsburgh’s street intervention program, based on a model similar to GRYD, revealed the program to be ineffective. (Crime actually went up in the intervention zones.)

An audit of Chicago’s CeaseFire program by the state of Illinois showed that gang violence dropped just as much, if not more, in zones that didn’t receive hardcore street intervention.

In smaller pilot programs elsewhere in the country, where street intervention is combined with other, more comprehensive services, plus active community involvement, the results are more promising.

But that’s not what GRYD is doing.

So then why is the city putting nearly all of its gang-intervention dollars into a model that, over the long term, has repeatedly been shown to be ineffective when it is not accompanied by services that provide positive alternatives?

“Quantifying this kind of work isn’t easy,” says GRYD Director Cespedes. “How do you compile a statistic for a violent incident that was averted? We’re still struggling to figure that out. But I’m out on the streets every day, and I see this program working to defuse tensions and save lives. I don’t see how anyone can argue with us trying to stop people from being killed.”

Yes, of course. And if you have a wildfire you need to send in the smoke jumpers. But they can’t do it by themselves. Without a broad network of support, it’s only a matter of time before the fire spreads beyond their control.

21 Comments

  • Celeste, as much as I disagree with them, I think our cop friends here are just keeping it real. There will never be intervention or rehab. The prisons are a business and it’s boom times. Recession proof. Depression proof. This country will spend its last dime on prisons. That was actually on a fortune cookie a few weeks back. Don’t take my word for it. Just think that some jerkey who gets on at corrections is set for life while Father G’s funding is being yanked. Who do you honestly believe, in their heart of hearts, wants to stop gang violence more? We know the answer, Celeste. And I think my sparring partners here know it, too, even though they’ll never admit it. There’s no money in peace.

  • This is what makes you a total goof Rob. You have such an inflated opinion of yourself it’s nauseating. There’s always going to be a need for cops, gangs or not. In my opinion and those like me which you have no standing to even talk about, no gangs equals a far safer society for everyone including those who have shared the calling.

    What part of that don’t you get? As the father of a young cop I was happy to see how he recently took control of a violent parolee (white power dude, very yoked spun on meth) during a traffic stop by using his quickness, strength, leverage and fists. I saw his dash cam video and was also very impressed how his reserve partner jumped in to assist.

    This cop and cop father would have been happier not having my son go into my line of work but trust in his ability to do the job. I’d also be happier if no type fools like the one he arrested even existed.

    We are the peacemakers but a hater like you will never get that.

  • Why can’t our schools do some prevention? All kids are required by law to be registered in school. Why can’t teachers beginning with kindergarten teach prevention long before it needs to become intervention? This would mean getting the parents involved in how to raise these children better. Of course tailoring the lessons to be age appropriate would be necessary.

    I’ve always thought that no parent should be able to take their newborn baby home from the hospital unless they read, learn and pass a test about parenting. I have even thought about writing a test myself that parents have to pass before they can take their newborn home.

    Look at safety for instance, how many children still die in swimming pools and hot cars? No matter how many times this appears in the news, it is still happening too often. Teach about this in school also.

    Look at the obesity problem. Teach these parents about nutrition beginning with their newborns. Put required Physical Education back in the schools. When I went to school in the 60’s and 70’s we had to do PE every day, and we were not obese, we were not depressed and our absence rates were lower because we were healthier, physically and mentally. Am I the only one who sees the connection here?

    Teach the parents about child abuse, anger management, spousal abuse, sexual abuse alcoholism. I could list a hundred more subjects here. Teach about these things in school also starting at younger ages.

    Why do we always wait and try to put out fires, instead of preventing them in the first place? These problems with all these ‘at risk’ kids begin at home from day one. The first five years of life teach children more than many of the years they spend in school learning history and geography. One huge teaching method is watching their parents and learning to behave like they do.

    Times have changed since the decisions were made as to what our children should be taught in school. We need to change accordingly! Am I the only one who sees this? Put some of that money into programs for the schools. Not just a part time thing, eliminate some other courses that perhaps were necessary when they were in little red school houses, and are outdated in these changing times. Like who won which war and what year? Who cares? They are just memorizing useless data and forgetting it immediately after the test! We’re just teaching them that war is “normal” and something to be proud of.

    Perhaps there are some community programs out there that I am not aware of that do teach prevention, and offer advice on parenting, etc. If this is the case, they don’t seem to be working very well, and I would venture to guess that not all children and parents have access to them. One way to solve the access issue is to put it in the schools where all children are lawfully supposed to be every day of the week. How about requiring parents to attend classes about all of the above before their child is allowed to be registered in school? Just like they are required to have vaccinations and bring in a doctor’s record of it, they should be required to bring in a class report card or certificate showing they took courses and passed. This isn’t asking too much. We definitely have many more unreasonable ordinances than this in place, like the one I just read in the paper today about a school that is going to have the children have a PIN number to use when they buy their lunch so that the school can track what they eat. Why don’t they just put all healthy food in the cafeteria instead of wasting time tracking them? Talk about a waste of money and resources.

  • Of course your son used force on a suspect, SF. If you’d seen the video and he and his partner had just taken the guy down and cuffed him with minimal force, you would have disowned him. Your son is violent because it’s the only way you’ll accept him, and he knows it. No different than a cholo who is from a gang family, impressing his cholo dad, uncles, etc.

  • Susie Smith Says:
    September 8th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I’ve always thought that no parent should be able to take their newborn baby home from the hospital unless they read, learn and pass a test about parenting.

    ……………..

    Come on, that’s harsh. I can give you one example right now of someone born to an illiterate, irresponsible, drug addicted father who wound up becoming a teacher herself. Jenna Bush.

  • I’ve actually rode with my son and seen him handle situations so well I’m amazed at his development at such a young age. His confidence I guess comes from his knowing how to 1) talk to people 2) Figure out what the person he’s talking to is all about and 3) Being in a terrific mental and physical shape at all times that tells him he’ll handle things in the correct manner.

    You see Rob, even a big mouth like you couldn’t get my son to loose his composure and act out wrongly, he’d laugh at the true turd you are. The only person you impress with your b.s. are guys like you with no self confidence or courage, regulated to a life on the net where you can only try to bash real men who are up to the challenge you’d only run from.

  • Sure Fire Says:
    September 9th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    You see Rob, even a big mouth like you couldn’t get my son to loose his composure and act out wrongly,

    ……………

    I’d get a DNA test on him as soon as possible, then. He can’t be your son.

  • You couldn’t get me to go off without cause in person Rob. I’d make you look like the idiot you are and it wouldn’t take but a minute.

  • I’m not sure about the rest of the article(s) on GRYD but your use of the RAND quote is shoddy journalism at BEST. Go back and read the rest of that page of the report. Wilson was speaking theoretically/academically about increased cohesion and actually goes on to say: “Given the little interaction we observed in Pittsburgh between community coordinators and gangs, we do not suspect that One Vision inadvertently contributed to greater gang cohesion and subsequently violence.” Seriously man, read this stuff before you quote it. Please.

    Furthermore he explains how such cohesion might occur specifically in a place like Pittsburgh which is an “emerging gang city” but not in places like Chicago or LA (“chronic gang cities”) where the gang structures are already entrenched. I mean, come on, did you even read the thing? If anything, LA’s gang situation most closely mirrors Chicago’s where the CeaseFire intervention program was a success.

    I’m not saying GRYD is the best program ever but don’t make the crux of your criticism a quote that’s completely cherry-picked and out of context.

  • Jody, thanks for your comment, and for caring enough to read some of the underlying material.

    In answer, to the question, yes we did read the full study. AND a pile of other studies, more in fact than Matt cited.

    Indeed, Wilson expressed perplexity about the bump in crime in the the neighborhoods covered by One Vision, the Pittsburgh street intervention program,. And in subsequent interviews about the findings, he theorized further, including again about the possibility of increased cohesion. The researchers also theorized that the Pittsburgh program may have shifted gang activity to adjacent neighborhoods.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10154/1062789-53.stm

    Plus, other studies of the Boston and the Chicago programs have noted the possible increased cohesion factor.

    But, you’re quite right. That isn’t the main thrust of the research conclusions about the Pittsburgh program. It is mostly that, despite excellent efforts by a lot of very decent people doing street intervention, after 500 field hours spent studying the program since 2006, the study concluded that it didn’t lower crime in the neighborhoods it served.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10154/1062789-53.stm

    Which, in the end, is the point of what Matt was saying—that absent additional wrap-around services and a substantial community buy in, according to a pile of studies, programs that rely solely on street intervention, have not been shown lower crime.

  • Sure Fire Says:
    September 9th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    You couldn’t get me to go off without cause in person Rob.

    ……………………

    Probably not, because I’m white.

  • You’re all about what the citizens tell you to be about, or you’ll be all about a nasty indictment and an unpaid leave.

  • LOL, never an unpaid leave and plenty of confrontations you’d run away from Rob, one where a citizen actually stepped in and I had to pull him off the guy I was trying to arrest.

  • Matt Fleischer
    LA Justice Report

    RE: Follow the Gang Money Part II

    Dear Mr. Fleischer:

    We, the Council of Community Violence Intervention Professionals (CCVIP), write to you to express our deep concern with your article “Follow the Gang Money Part II: The Interventionists”, posted on Witness LA. com on September 8. Founded in 2007, CCVIP is a network of professional hardcore gang intervention organizations dedicated to developing the field of intervention to proactively end the community violence epidemic.

    As long-time practitioners of gang intervention in Los Angeles, we agree that effective intervention necessitates a comprehensive approach that targets all aspects of life. This is why many of us strive to provide the kind of holistic, wrap-around services such as life skills training, job referral and placement, and counseling services. When we are unable to provide the services directly, we partner with other community-based organizations who augment the array of services available to our clients. It is important to note that what services are offered and how services are offered will vary from neighborhood to neighborhood in order to best serve the unique cultural, ethnic and racial make-up of each community. Your article, therefore, misrepresents what the “hardcore intervention” agencies do and is factually incorrect.

    We agree with you that jobs are an important component of gang intervention. However, what you have labeled “hardcore intervention”, defined as proactive peacemaking, is also an essential part of a comprehensive strategy. Hardcore intervention workers have the credibility and the direct link with the streets. This unique credibility not only allows these workers to negotiate and mediate peace between gangs, conduct rumor control and develop ceasefires, but also allows them to begin the process of mindset transformation that readies a gang involved person to begin to change their lives. These interventionists serve as the front line in outreaching to the target community about the available resources because they are the ones who can – they have the ability to not just speak but also to be heard in communities controlled by gangs. Often, this contact with a gang intervention worker on the streets is how a gang-involved person becomes ready to receive the wrap-around services. Therefore, all components of gang intervention, from hard core, to wrap-around services, to job placement, to community organizing, are all necessary and vital pieces of the puzzle.

    We do not appreciate that you have divided a community of gang intervention workers by pitting one against the other. There are very few resources in this field and for the communities we all serve. It does not help to achieve the mission of reducing violence and making our communities safe, by squabbling over the little resources that are being invested. Saving lives is done in many ways. We hope you will continue to learn more about the entire field of gang intervention and come to appreciate the efforts underway to strengthen all of our efforts to make our communities safe.
    Sincerely,

    CCVIP Membership
    Aztecs Rising
    Chapter Two Community & Gang Intervention
    Detours Mentoring Group
    H.E.L.P.E.R. Foundation
    SEA Gang Intervention
    TEEAMWORKS Foundation
    Toberman Neighborhood Center
    2nd CALL

  • Dear CCVIP members,

    I just wanted to write a quick not to thank you all for the very thoughtful comment about your concerns. Our only intention in criticizing the city’s GRYD program is the desire for the program as a whole to be as good as it can possibly be—admittedly a difficult task, given the budget restrictions you mention. There isn’t adequate money to do what needs to be done, we know that.

    Both Matt and I are also aware that there are many dedicated, impassioned and skillful professionals within GRYD doing the hard work of trying to make our communities safer, yourselves prominently among them.

    With the above in mind, we intend to do a Part III of the series that looks at suggestions as to where the city can best go from here. To do so, we will be contacting some of the providers like yourselves, as well as others with expertise in the issue in order to get their/your views. We know very well that we need to learn more.

    Again, thank you for your comments and concerns. The city is lucky to have you working in its behalf.

    With warmth and respect,

    Celeste Fremon

  • I want to thank you for the courage it took to do this series. As a Gang Specialist myself, based in the midwest, I have noticed several things similar about ‘alleged’ anti-gang methods.

    1. Law enforcement does not like to share information, using the excuse ‘we have investigations to protect’. However, any cop worth his/her salt KNOWS that they can’t do their job without public cooperation. So, they shoot themselves in the foot everytime they do a half-stepping method of community outreach.

    2. There is a lot of ‘cronyism’ (forgive me, an old Chicago term) in the anti-gang ranks. Faith based groups are not even considered, yet these are the groups that are having the most success, because gang life is a spiritual problem. Let’s not forget to add that faith based groups that do use their faith to ‘proselytize’ those involved cannot get grant money, thus the ‘experts’ are heavily paid, and monies are not very well accounted for.

    3. Parental/Guardian involvement has been heavily neglected. If you help the parent, you will give THEM the tools to help the child. Is has been proven that anti-gang grants have been lacking parental involvement. For 2010, this has started to change.

    Anti gang efforts are just that…efforts. The juvenile justice system, the social workers, the psychologists, the cops, all make BIG money over youth in trouble. Everyone is in the pie (schools too) EXCEPT the family unit. Many, many gang members have gotten out of the life merely by an ex-gang member showing them the way. Plus, crime makes for good headlines, so we might as well toss the Mainstream press and the entertanment folk into the ‘benefit’ pot as well.

    PS: According to the feds, in their latest gang report issued in 2009, LA is not gangland. That title belongs to Chicago, home of the REAL gangsters. LA is number two. Sorry. Keep up the great work!

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