Education

Thursday Shorts – Unequal Education

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There are very few poor students
at America’s top colleges and an ever-expanding number of rich and richer ones, writes Andrew Delbanco in the latest issue of the New York Review of Books. On the surface, this hardly qualifies as shocking news since America’s top private colleges have always been bastions of wealth and privilege. But of late, says Delbanco, the ratio tilts radically toward rich kids.

For instance, ninety percent of Harvard students come from families earning more than the median national income, “and Harvard’s dean of admissions was quoted in the Crimson a few months earlier defining “middle-income” Harvard families as those earning between $110,000 and $200,000.”

However the problem is not so much that our richest colleges won’t take poor kids. It’s that they don’t apply, writes Delbanco. It seems that lower-income students decide early on that their less-than-stellar public school educations have placed them too far behind the educational power curve to ever really compete, so give up before the application process ever begins.

There’s more. In fact the whole article is worth a read.

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Meanwhile back in California, college is becoming less and less affordable for more and more kids. Yesterday the California State University system approved another 10 percent fee hike, while the University of California’s regents approved their own seven percent hike—causing a crowd of unhappy students to demonstrate outside the meeting. The latter price jump means that the cost of attending a UC for four years, will now hit close to $100 grand—a daunting sum for most average families.

Or course, California is hardly alone in skyrocketing college costs. Across the country, college tuition fees have gone up over 200 percent since 1981, while inflation has gone up at less than half that rate.

Compounding the problem is the fact that, as tuition has gone up, scholarships and other forms of student aid have greatly dwindled due to slash-and-burn cuts by the Bush administration and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s own cuts in California. This means that a huge percentage of middle class kids, who aren’t rich enough to afford a hundred grand, but also aren’t poor enough to qualify for any real aid, are in danger of either being aced out altogether—or are forced to take out hefty loans, to be paid off after they graduate.

When the nation’s best public universities are leaving kids from average income families all but priced out of the UC market, it’s time for a recalibration of priorities.

No child left behind indeed.

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And as long as we’re on the subject of the deeply dysfunctional No Child
(which is soon coming up for renewal) an article by the conservative-leaning Amit R. Paley in yesterday’s Washington Post has created a kafuffle in the blogosphere.

First Kevin Drum of the Washington Monthly shared his thoughts that NCLB is a right wing plot to destroy public schools.

Then Matthew Ygleisas opined that Drum was having paranoid delusions and seeing conspiracies where there are none. But, Yglesias added, at best NCLB is a well-intentioned mess that shortchanges kids by promoting the lowest common denominator.

Drum retorted online, some other bloggers jumped in, and things devolved after that.

While the bloggers slugged things out, the WaPo reported that dozens of Republicans are thinking about bailing on a No Child reauthorization—pointing out that it undercut quality learning by forcing schools into cookie-cutter lesson plans that “teach to the test“—and that both schools and kids were suffering as a result.

In other words, good intentions And/or nefarious plots notwithstanding, the thing isn’t working. Instead, under its edicts, many of our failing public schools seem to be becoming more and more broken.

Which brings us back full circle to the first story about why smart kids who go to lousy high schools don’t bother to apply to the Ivy Leagues.

Like I said, recalibration of priorities badly needed.


Happy Thursday.

29 Comments

  • My guess is that those GOP legislators are bailing on NCLB for a simple reason and that is the dirty little secret of the education “Controversy.” For all the talk of “failing schools” in the inner city the fact is that most people (read suburbanites) are quite pleased with their schools and see movements like “Charter Schools” and, especially, vouchers, as a plot to siphon money away from their districts (like Irvine or Newport-Mesa, down where I live) and give it to those “minorities” who are obviousloy undeserving.

    On higher education I can only say that I’m selfishly glad that I went to university in the sixties and seventies when public colleges in this state were cheap and the best in the world. As evidenced by the fact that the California master plan was copied all over the planet. But Pat Brown is dead and we live a brave new world where the powers that be seem to have not noticed that, as we spent lots of money on education – among other things – we grew to be the sixth largest economy on earth. But the fact that those two are connected is lost on a greedy populace that figures they got theirs by divine right.

  • While I will always have a problem with individuals quoting statistics, because I can find data to make my point no matter what and I don’t have to defend that data when an article is written, I believe that Harvard has an endowment that totals in excess of $ 2 Billion. Given their recent success investing this fund, the school clearly has enough cash to offer schoolarships to all the students. They actually give qualified applicants grants for their entire college experience. Therefore, even as the costs of universities and colleges are increasing, due in part to administrators,teachers, janitors, etc., wanting more pay, qualified students will be given the support needed to attend school. Should the student be a middle of the road person, like I was, the government over the last 30 plus years has provided low cost student loans, which I did receive and paid back. My point is that while some may want to suggest the cost of education is too high and the implied answer is to have the Government subsidize or in fact pay for all the schooling (currently the state governments of many schools are already subsidized or even covered completely), the citizens of the state or country are really the provider of the funds. Thus, what is being suggested is that my taxes should continue to grow back to a level wherein I will work up to six months of year just to pay the government my fair share of my income so that the “lousy school system” can better prepare the students for a higher education, of which I will pay for as well. Hope you enjoy a different view.

  • With sorry, useless courses offered by just as sorry and uselss professors, college offers little to people unless they have the sense to stay away from subjects that offer no future. For the decline in value for a degree, the cost should be dropping. The best thing that California colleges offer are sports teams.

  • One can easily make the case to have FREE under graduate college education in California, including for illegal aliens. This might be the only way that California will ever will become a red state.

    (University of Michigan’s National Election Studies) – Adults 25 and under from Republican homes are, for example, 11 percentage points more likely to vote Republican if they attended college than if they didn’t. And young adults from Democratic households are 11 percentage points less likely to vote Democrat if they’ve gone to college than if not.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009058

  • Hey, Pokey, I say let ’em vote however they like. All I want is for our kids to have a decent enough education that they can read and comprehend those little newsprint pamphlets we get from the California Sec. of State before every election. (Or maybe that’s asking too much. They are pretty dull reading.)

    Woody, did you post a link? If so, it didn’t show up.

    Jake, Harvard does have a monster endowment (it’s detailed in the NY Review of Books article) and they offer a lot of scholarships, but if kids don’t apply because he or she went to Jefferson or Locke high school in South Los Angeles where there aren’t enough AP classes, and they don’t bother with adequate SAT prep, then the scholarships don’t matter.

  • Pokey its been true for some time that people with ADVANCED Degrees tend to vote Democratic. That’s been true since I took “Govt 1” at Bowdoin back in the fall on 1964 and used Clinton Rossiter’s text “Parties and Politics in America” as one of out books. What is new is that, since 1992,
    Dems do better with College educated people making $50,000 or more than the GOP which only gets the edge – and not by much – when you get to the “superrich”. Or as Bush once said, half jokingly: his base.

  • Celeste, the link in my comment is there, and you can see it if you put your cursor on “bizarre college courses.” However, it is showing up pretty much in the same color as the regular type, so it’s not very apparent. Same thing with links that you provide in your posts, such as “New York Review of Books.” The blue and black look similar, so maybe you can make the links look a little more different.

    rlc, I don’t consider the majors of Democratic graduates, such as feminist and gay studies, to be “advanced degrees.”

  • Celeste, maybe if I made my links in bold, that would take care of the problem. However, most sites have commenter links in bright blue. Whatever works.

  • “…I don’t consider the majors of Democratic graduates, such as feminist and gay studies, to be “advanced degrees….”

    (The blog-mistress laughs loudly enough to frighten the nearby snoozing cat.)

    BTW, Woody, thanks for the link info. Yes, blue would be better. I have to get my irascible tech person (AKA my smart but surly son-like item) on it.

  • Well I consider “Business” Degrees and Masers in Accounting to be trade school diplomas. So there!

  • “Across the country, college tuition fees have gone up over 200 percent since 1981….”

    If there’s anything softening this blow, it’s that some of the apparent increase is the product of a new marketing ploy used by many colleges: increase your tuition merely to suggest higher quality and greater prestige, while also making more scholarship money available. Yes, this price psychology strategy does work, disgustingly enough — quite a few small liberal arts colleges are doing it now, and it might be a lifesaver for some of them. So tuition fees alone don’t tell the whole story. Also, colleges are competing on services at the same time — costs of living for students might actually be lower in real terms when you add in their value. Still, it’s not exactly a good trend overall.

  • Celeste, I know of two very specifc examples, one in Victorville,CA the other in a very small mining town in West Virgina, where one teacher in each school identified a very talented kid who was not thinking of attending college let alone Harvard or, in one case, West Point. In both cases the families had no money, had lost fathers or they were drunks. One case the kid was doing nothing but riding dirt bikes and working in a fast food place and the other was working toward a life in a coal mine two miles deep in the earth. The stories were that the TEACHERS actually took it upon themselves to send letters of introduction to the two schools. Both schools responded back with the request to get applications from the student. In the end, both attended on full schoolarships, graduated and have been very successful in their choosen fields. Bottom line, if the teachers are doing their jobs, teaching, and developing kids, then qualified students can be introduced to highly ranked schools, accepted and given appropriate grants or schoolarships. Please don’t blame the overall public or government for not paying or the colleges for kids not applying to college. It really starts with parents. Maybe we need to retrain the parents, both male and famale, than ask the government to pay for a Harvard education for a student from South Central LA. Harvard will give the money to a qualified student from Jefferson or Locke.

  • Celeste, just a quick one, if something goes up 200 percent over a 25 year time frame that is really not very much. Over the same 25 years my income went up 10 times. There is a difference between percent and times. Thank you for being there to discuss these many issues.

  • While the hikes are true, at the CSU two grants cover them no matter how high they go. The SUG and the federal Pell Grant. I graduated late in life, and I mean late, as far as being a college student goes, and paid nothing for fees and tuition as of 2004. You need to be poor though. Real poor because they’ll deduct every penny they if you work too.

  • Hey, Mark York, Nice to see you here.

    Jake, there’s no doubt that exceptional teachers can cut through it all and make the crucial difference in a kid’s life. But, in so many of these huge urban high schools, the system is so broken that even many of the truly exceptional teachers are reduced to treading water. For instance, at Jefferson High School in Los Angeles, the school’s college counselor showed me on her computer that one of the classes had 56 kids in it. It’s all but impossible to give students an adequate amount of attention, if you’ve got 56 kids in a class. One of the other teachers at the same school told me that she loves teaching and loves her kids, but excessive size of her classes has reduced her to getting up every morning sick to her stomach “because I know I’m not going to be able to give these kids what they need.”

    As for college affordability—it’s the students from middle and working class families who are taking the biggest hit. Sure various scholarships and grants are still available, but ,most often not to middle class kids and working class kids. They aren’t poor enough.

    http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i40/40a02001.htm

  • Greetings all (specifically Celeste and her fab new website):
    I am not sure how many of these previous post-ers have been in high school recently but I am going to have to agree with Celeste here about the overcrowding of high schools in urban (and even not-so-urban) areas. Let me just say when you have to sit on the floor because there aren’t enough desks in your classroom it’s pretty difficult to learn, regardless of the teacher’s enthusiasm and/or dedication. Because of recurring instances such as this, my parents and I had to prioritize and spend money that had been saved for my college education on a private high school just so I could have a desk to sit in and a textbook of my own.
    This clearly took a large chunk out of my college fund, making it virtually impossible for us to swing 4 years (if I manage to get all the classes I need in order to graduate on time) at a UC. Can we afford it? No. Does the state think we can? Yes. So what are we supposed to do? That’s not rhetorical…

  • Tammy, we homeschooled our kids for a while. They didn’t have to ride the bus, they had textbooks, they didn’t have to listen to liberal nonsense, I didn’t have to attend useless meetings, and they learned a lot more than a classroom containing unruly students. It was hard and so is what you’re having to do. Hang in there. It sounds as if you’re going to do well in life.

  • The good news Tammy is Woody gave up and sent them to a real school. This means there’s a chance the propaganda he taught them can be equalized. A chance…

  • Celeste you should know your portal provided but a brief respite from a total visual ban of the server of GM Roper, which won’t allow me even to see posts there even when they’re about me. Not much of aloss I’ll admit but this is how low these conservative snakes are. I only know when Woody hypocrictivcally tries to send to a comment which I moderate. He’s that kind of SOB, the Wrong Way Feldman of Wingerville. The ban has been enforced again. I injected truth into their lair of dumbfoundedness. it didn’t play well in Texas and Georgia.

  • Hi, Mark and Woody,

    Truly delighted to have you here. But please, both of you, try to dial back any fights based on past personal history. Thanks.(All fights based on the topics here entirely welcomed, of course.)

  • Its realy good to have scholarships but where can one get the form and more importantly,can students from other nations qualify for it?

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