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A Coming Crime Wave? Nope. Don’t Think So.

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On Thursday, the LAPPL—the LAPD’s union— vigorously protested the upcoming release
of between 5000 and 6500 prisoners starting on January 25, which is this coming Monday.

Here is how one of the resulting stories opens:

Starting January 25th, thousands of dangerous criminals will be released early from California state prisons — and for the first time in nearly 30 years, sent back to local communities without any supervision,” stated the Los Angeles Police Protective League.

“The County of Los Angeles will be dramatically impacted,
with over 5,000 felons to be released to our city,” said Los Angeles Police Protective League (LAPPL) President Paul M. Weber.

And so on.

Now admittedly, if an extra 5000 or more newly released inmates were to be disgorged in California, the majority showing up in LA (as is always statistically the case) given our current job market (or lack thereof) even for non-felons, plus the cuts to the state’s social services….It is not a cheery prospect.

However, my read of the law that goes into effect next Monday—SB 3X 18—the piece of legislation that will supposedly trigger the above-mentioned flood of felons, it suggests nothing of the kind. (Here’s the CDCR press release about the law that will kick in on January 25.)

As outlined by the CDCR, the purpose of this prison reform bill, passed during the height of the legislature’s budget wrangling last year, is to reduce the California prison population by at total of 6500 inmates over a year’s time. (Not a huge reduction, but something is better than nothing.)

However, the reduction is to be accomplished through three new strategies,
which primarily have to do with sending fewer people to prison, and not with bouncing menacing hoards of inmates out early.

The strategies include:

Parole reform that will:

1. Help reduce the crippling number of technical violations of parole that have tens of thousands of inmates cycling needlessly in and out of prison (on our dime) for infractions such as testing dirty in a mandatory drug test, or missing a meeting with a parole officer.

2. Eliminate parole for certain inmates, in order to provide better and more rigorous supervision for the parolees who most need it. This would be in lieu of what we do now, which is to insist on non-rehabilitative, ineffective supervision for everybody that is provided by over-burdened parole officers who are far too swamped to help or control any of those who crowd their respective caseloads.

3. Establish and expand drug and mental health reentry courts for parolees who can most benefit from such highly-structured treatment to prevent recidivism.

In addition, the new law raises the bar on certain low-level property crimes.

And, yes, there is one thing in the about-to-be-instituted program that has to do with what may legitimately be called early release. It is an earned credit incentive system in which certain kinds of inmates can choose to earn day-for-day credit by participating in rehabilitation programs that have been proven to reduce recidivism.

Others will be given credit for working in fire camps (which already only accept the cream of inmates) and a few related programs. Those inmates will earn the right to get out a little earlier—and, with any luck, in better emotional shape—than they would have without the earned credit system.

This is not prisoner dumping, nor is it likely to cause the crime wave we’re hearing so much about.

But if I’m missing something here, please prove me wrong.


PS: In a statement released last night, the Police union has opposed the release of the Onion Field killer. For the record, I do to. For some people life should be life.

82 Comments

  • You’re missing something here Celeste. Many of these supposed low risk felons are drug addicts. Many of them use as their drug of choice central nervous system stimulants such as cocaine or meth. They will not work, they will return to their former lives until they wind up back in the joint and as I said on another thread a tragedy will take place due to the actions of one of those released. The odds say that, it’s as simple as that.

    As it is now, when an officer has contact with a subject and makes a determination that they are “U.I.” under the influence of one of these drugs along with others, even if they lay out through their own expertise and observance of objective symptoms why they believe the subject to be “U.I.”, if they refuse a urine the case doesn’t get filed by the d.a.’s office. Dopers know that and routinely refuse.

    Addicts that tend to use more of these type drugs than your casual user (and I’m smart enough to realize there are many of those in society), even those currently on parole, will get a free pass to get tweaked as often as they want which will lead to the commission of more crimes and a new parade of victims. It will get ugly to more of a degree than it is now.

    Another Charlie Samuel type could be released and that bothers me. We don’t need another Lily Burk but I think it’s inevitable that will happen.

  • If one person is asaulted or murdered by any one of these felons being released early, then we can thank the liberals and activist judges. They are the ones who will have blood on their hands, but they won’t notice or care. In fact, they will smugly feel good.

  • Of course Celeste beleives every gang member arrested was just about to turn his life around.

    And Of course Celeste knows all about the poor victims of the three-stikes sentencing, who are always caught and convicted for all three of their crimes. Or more likely they were framed by the cops or legal system.

    Let’s give all the California poetry books and bibles not prison time.

    But let’s NOT ever parole the old man named Bernie Madoff, he is a danger and menace to society.

  • Woody and WTF, I don’t get the feeling that either of you read the post.

    SureFire and I disagree, but at least he’s responding directly to the material I posted and rebutting it specifically based on his POV and experience. He doesn’t think the parole reforms are a good idea. I get that. The union feels as he does. I don’t agree, but I understand his logic—because there IS logic.

    WTF, that’s all just dumb. I believe nothing of the kind. (except for the Bernie Madoff part. I definitely want his butt locked up).

    Woody, what you said is completely preposterous and logic free.

  • Celeste, what I wrote is completely logical. Do-gooders fight for their causes but have no brains to see potential consequences. They go around with a badge on their chests saying, “Look at me. I’m important and I beat the establishment.” They’re smug and never connect the dots between their causes and crimes against others by those whom they helped release.

    Monitor the news and one day you’ll find a horrible crime by one of those people let out early. How will that make you feel?

  • THANK YOU Celeste!!

    The LAPD is putting out such irresponsible drivel regarding what will happen when SBX18 is put into affect, it was refreshing to see a journalist contradict them and tell it like it is.

    What is of concern to me is the fact that newspapers, blogs run by newspapers, etc. allow this irresponsible journalism to be posted. A good example can be found here: http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/ci…-notification/

    Read the comments – I definitely made one LOL

  • Well said, Celeste. The police are looking out for their own interests, no doubt. That’s why the police protective league lied and said that 5,000 felons would be dumped on the community, when of course that’s really the number that will be released over the course of the year, not at one time, as they made it sound. Think they just forgot to mention that? If public safety is your concern, then start by not lying to the public. Who protects us from government and law enforcement lying to us?

  • Sure Fire, I asked you about 3 threads ago and you never answered. What “tragedy” is going to happen when these non violent offenders hit the streets? Surely you can define such a tragedy. Will it be a massive bank robbery? A terrorist attack? A huge, 50 car pile up on the 405? And, do you have a time line for this supposed catastrophe? Also, you said that the odds back up your theory, as well. What odds? What tragedy, Sure Fire, and what are these odds that it will happen? You mention Lily Burk at the end of your comment. So, are you saying one of these guys is going to kidnap a girl and kill her? Is that your proclamation? Man up, dude. Tell us what’s going to happen, so we can laugh at you when it doesn’t.

  • Celeste Fremon Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Woody and WTF, I don’t get the feeling that either of you read the post.

    ………………

    When have they ever?

  • Woody Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Do-gooders fight for their causes but have no brains to see potential consequences.

    …………………

    True. Like the war on drugs.

  • For people to think that these people are murders, it is insane. If an inmate completes a rehabilitation program, he gets 6 weeks off his sentence. If he or she does not complete a program, that person gets out 6 weeks later. I feel that someone that completes a program has, even if it is not much, a bit of a chance of doing better. I would rather have someone that completed a program come out 6 weeks early then have someone not complete a program and come out 6 weeks later. Oh and by the way, I was in prison in 1999. I completed my programs and have been an honest, hard working, fully functional mother and grandmother in society. Not everyone is a vicious murderer!

  • Well I think we will do what we will do. I don’t know if it was the programs that I chose to complete, me missing my kids, my values I learned growing up,or just because I was meant to not be a bad person. Whatever happened, I know I would not change any of it. I have been home for 10 years and I help single parents and young (not always young) people get work and find resources to make it. If I had not seen the bottom, I would not be who I am today. BUT it is true that there are more that fail then that make it. But 6 weeks is not that much difference. Even if there is a small chance that a program will help, I would rather try it that way and take the chance. After all, they are coming out anyway!!!

  • Janie, great comment. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear from someone who really does have experience with this system.

  • Thank you Mr. Thomas and it is also good to hear someone that can actually be objective and look at the entire picture. Sometimes it is hard to pull out positivity in something that seems scary. And regardless, there will be people that get out and commit more crimes. And there will be more failure then success. That is reality! But, even if in small amounts, there are those that will do good and make a real difference to the community. Thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion!

  • Your stupidity deserves no response Rob. Stretch anything I say as far as you want, like you just did with the Lily Burk portion of my post.

    You’re simple minded Rob and haven’t got what it takes to move any further up the ladder, try baiting someone who will fall for your rap.

  • Sure Fire, I think you are blowing it a bit out of context. I do understand that drug use leads to crimes and can be horrible. It usually leads to theft and theft related crimes but yes anything can happen. But if drug use is your concern, these people are only getting 6 weeks off of each year. Wouldn’t you rather have them go through rehabilitation and get out 6 weeks early then not to do anything and get out 6 weeks later? Is the crime going to be so much worse just because they did a rehab program and got out just a little early. We are talking 6 weeks early!

  • Aren’t we cranky today? Sure Fure, don’t comment here if you don’t want people to respond to you.

  • You don’t count anymore Robbie save your breath.

    Janie, maybe you should do a little research on Prop 36, the get out of jail free card for dopers. It’s been no type of success and here’s a link to get you started.

    http://substance-abuse-recovery.suite101.com/article.cfm/facts_about_californias_proposition_36

    The problem with the type of thinking some of you engage in is that you put savings of our tax dollars before public safety. Part of the problem with Prop 36 is a lack of funding, no doubt about that. However, from the start the majority of dopers that have avoided jail due to this idiotic law have not taken the required rehab classes or not completed them.

    There’s plenty of on-line sources to show what a failure this type of law is, as one judge put in many don’t show because there’s no jail time to worry about. In the UCLA study I read between 6 and 7 percent of these people re-offend in a violent crime type manner. Many of the soon to be released have substance abuse problems and with no work and no programs (and really no desire for either) what do you think they’ll do to get by?

    I realize con-lover Robbie doesn’t care about that, and I think Celeste doesn’t give it near the attention she should here, but it’s how it all rolls out. My concern will never be with thugs, gangsters and other scum that show time after time they only deserve the joint.

    Not ever.

  • Don’t think tipping less will solve your financial problems Sure Fire.
    It will, however, solve your “Wow, that’s a proper goddamn pour” problems.

  • Search out cheaper bars Sure Fire.
    And just think how excited those lowlifes will be drinking with a high-class gentleman such as yourself. 🙂

  • LOL. I count just enough for you to address me in every single comment.

    And, why shouldn’t we put fiscal responsibility in front of public safety? Who pays the salary of police and prison guards? Who elects police chiefs? Who elects the politicians who appoint police chiefs? The citizens decide who and what makes them safe, not police. And if the citizens decide that the salaries of law enforcement get in the way of productive, bullshit free growth, then get on the fucking boat, ese!

    And, don’t you guys love it when police staters like Sure Fire suddenly fall on academia to back up their points, the same eggheads who they accuse of being inexperienced stoners whenever they come up with a study that criticizes police are suddenly reliable when one of their studies demonstrates that a whopping 7% of drug addicts will commit a violent crime at some point in their life. Shit man, there’s a higher percentage of cops that will.

    And, I don’t mind being called a con lover when it’s coming from you, considering your definition of a con is anyone who’s not a cop. And, I can’t speak for Celeste, but I can guess that the reason she doesn’t give much attention to your alarmist, shrill rants is because she’s already quite aware that there’s a slim possibility a drug addict might take a rifle and gun down an innocent 12 year old girl. It’s just she, like most people who read all of the facts, knows that it’s not likely to happen, and to lock drug addicts up based on the far fetched assumption that it will is a waste of resources and money. We should be asking you: When are you going to pay attention to anything Celeste has to say?

  • I’m okay with all the parolees getting released early.
    If its going to solve our state’s budget issues and save local/state government jobs – Kudos to the Liberals and that Blockhead man called “The Sperminator”.
    Thanks Celeste for being a great leader and supportive member of the “Early Jail Bird Release Krew”!
    Parolees getting released early – job security for LE.
    Thanks guys!
    Moreover, the majority of parolees will return to their respective low income distressed minority areas where they can prey on the poorest people living in our unwanted coummunities.
    Should people who live in the mid to higher level class communities care about parolees victimizing the poor people of Los Angeles and target certain minority groups????
    Hell no – the Liberals supported this and so did the Republicans.
    Let the crime spree and the chronic drug usage galore commence!
    Hey, if a couple of murders are committed from a result of the early release program – it’s okay people. The chances of a murder happening in your neighborhood is really low to zero possibility.
    Let the poor minorities take a hit for all of us…

  • Since I don’t work the streets any longer I can’t speak on the release from Pop’s on the nose perspective, but my son who does, is in absolute agreement with his post.

  • This is what I see happening with the early release program:
    1 – The county will raise property or local taxes in the near future to pay for the extra bodies being arrested and housed on new filings for felony&misdemeanor charges.
    (If LA county would detain and force every offender to serve their full time (like other counties), I dont mind paying the extra tax money. But they dont….they allow them to walk out with a little slap on the hand.)
    2 – With the hundreds of parolee being relased and re-arrested again – the various factions of the Mexican Mafia will get new fresh bodies to continue their little riots wars and attacks to control the county’s money scams.
    Expect more attacks on Blacks (gang or non-gang related) on the streets and in more specifically in county jail.
    But then again, this only really affects the ghetto poor communites in Los Angeles. We shouldn’t care about them – they dont vote or have a representation.
    They are just going to cry cry and cry to the news media. We can live with that.
    California continues to be a great place to work and live – as long as you stay away from south central, compton, el monte, East LA, pico rivera, highland park, huntington park… and all the fucked up areas – its all good.
    You know – where all the mexican and blacks are at – you dont want to go there.
    We – WE people with a little more money can watch it on the 5 o’clock news or read it in the newspaper.

  • Ok check this out. I am going to start with the lapd and how much shit they are talking about on this 5000 felons coming to LA well for one if the lapd didn’t frame or just plain fuck over atleast 45 percent of the felons that THEY sent to prison and are scared because maybe one day they will have to face one of those so called felons and look them eye to eye on the street and have to explain why they framed them just to make themselfs look like good pigs. I think no matter of fact I know how fucking crooked out courts systems are not just in la but all over the state and the courts are even worse in smaller citys because the da’s are sucking off the judges or they are relatives. I have first hand expeirance on the courts in a small town in this state and I am going to tell you what inpact it made not only on my life but my whole family. My mother was found guilty for enbezzlment of 36k and she paid the entire amount back and told the courts why she did it and in my eyes I think she had every right to do so it was her money to begin with and she was sentenced to 16 months in state prison and the fucked thing is this was her first ofence in her life she is a 56 year old with no priors not even a speading ticked but in her case the so called victims where best friends with the da and the da used to work for the judge at his law firm so yes I am alittle bitter to know all this but shit what can I do I’m just another person in this town with crooked cops and court system. You know that saying “its not who you know its who you blow” well in this case its “who you know and who you blow” and my mother got fucked… I think and can’t wait until they let her out early and when I get there to pick her up I am going to tell the prison gaurds to suck my dick and kiss my ass and I hope they let out all non violent inmates and white collar criminals and let them have there lifes back because it suck bad to have your mother placed in prison over nothing….

    I know there will be some haters that will post something rude back to me but I really don’t give two shits so bring it on I can talk shit all day..I have said my feelings on this so all of you can understand where I am coming from or you can be hard headed just like the lapd and all the other whine ass’s against this early release..

  • Ok check this out. I am going to start with the lapd and how much shit they are talking about on this 5000 felons coming to LA well for one if the lapd didn’t frame or just plain fuck over atleast 45 percent of the felons that THEY sent to prison and are scared because maybe one day they will have to face one of those so called felons and look them eye to eye on the street and have to explain why they framed them just to make themselfs look like good pigs. I think no matter of fact I know how fucking crooked out courts systems are not just in la but all over the state and the courts are even worse in smaller citys because the da’s are sucking off the judges or they are relatives. I have first hand expeirance on the courts in a small town in this state and I am going to tell you what inpact it made not only on my life but my whole family. My mother was found guilty for enbezzlment of 36k and she paid the entire amount back and told the courts why she did it and in my eyes I think she had every right to do so it was her money to begin with and she was sentenced to 16 months in state prison and the fucked thing is this was her first ofence in her life she is a 56 year old with no priors not even a speading ticked but in her case the so called victims where best friends with the da and the da used to work for the judge at his law firm so yes I am alittle bitter to know all this but shit what can I do I’m just another person in this town with crooked cops and court system. You know that saying “its not who you know its who you blow” well in this case its “who you know and who you blow” and my mother got fucked… I think and can’t wait until they let her out early and when I get there to pick her up I am going to tell the prison gaurds to suck my dick and kiss my ass and I hope they let out all non violent inmates and white collar criminals and let them have there lifes back because it suck bad to have your mother placed in prison over nothing….

  • Jim, first, I’m sorry about your mother’s situation and the effect that it has had on you.

    It’s not the prison guards who should bear the brunt of your anger. You might as well get mad at the walls of the prison.

    I’m currently in the position of retrieving money taken illegally from me. There would have been a fast and easy route to get it back — or, the legal one. I chose the legal one and it has dragged out, but I’d rather it drag out in court rather than drag out with me behind bars. I’ll be restored in full before your mom is released.

  • “There would have been a fast and easy route to get it back”

    Whoa, that’s ominous. I always knew Woody had a straight-up gangsta side.

  • Peaches, I had a number of people offering to get the money back, and I’m sure they could have. They had done jobs like that before. I thanked them for the offers, but, I’m a “law and order” kind of guy. The D.A. is taking up for me.

  • well woody you said that you had money taking from you well let me tell you how this all went down for my mom.. my mom owned a business and she sold it and the people she sold it to didnt pay he her for 40k of it and my mom continued to work for them and they kept telling her “oh ya we owe you the money and you will get it’
    ” well after 4yrs of hearing the same old story she took it back and when they came to her and asked her if she did she told them the whole story and she confessed she took it and she also paid it right back in full with one money order 36,486 PAID IN FULL….. the da at first told her if she paid it all back she would only do 30 days in county well when it came down to the sentencing day the da back doored her and told the judge he wants her to have low term prison wich is 16 months. and even the probation hearing put in the report that she should only get 3 yrs probation because she paid the money back.. now woody if some one paid you all ur money back and it was there money to begin with would you drop it and move on????

  • Jim, I told the DA that I had no desire to jail the person and wouldn’t press for a trial if he paid back the money. Yes, I would move on. I’m a businessman and don’t gain anything by wasting time to hurt someone else. His lawyer called me about no jail time for restitution, and I said the same thing to her. But, now it’s been over a year and the guy has not made an effort to pay back one dime. BTW, this is a slam-dunk case. I documented everything to the hilt. Of course, a civil suit is also automatic after a criminal conviction.

    I really, really feel sorry for your mom. I have a feeling that the buyers of her business have friends in higher places. It’s easy to say that she should have taken them to court to enforce the business sale contract, but I don’t know the details and suspect that a lot was done on a handshake. Also, she might have been depending upon them for her income, and you don’t generally keep a job for someone you’re suing.

    Now, there’s another situation in which I bought another practice and the seller violated every condition of the sale, costing me a lot of money. In litigation, the only people who were benefiting were the lawyers, who wanted to keep it up until everyone ran out of cash. The other guy had no assets, so I called it off, seeing the reality, and learned a lesson. So, the scumbag got away with it and then bankrupted, never even paying his attorney. Sometimes, the bad guy wins. BTW, my “friends” really wanted to beat the hell out this guy…I’m mean REALLY beat him, but I wouldn’t let them.

    I wish I knew how and was able to help you and your mom. Would it help if I introduced you to my friends?

  • thanks woody for seeing my point of view and no i dont need your friends i have my own that will start shaking trees when she gets out.. you do seem like you have the in-sight on all of this early release so maybe you can tell me what you know since the source i was getting my info from she got layed off and no longer works there so i am not getting the info that i was getting.. it would be great if you can.. all i have to say is i pray that tomorrow is the big day that my mom gets her new face sheet with her new release date.. let me know woody if you have any info for me and let me know how i can get a hold of it.. thanks

  • Im not being a “fucking smart ass”.
    Your the idiot that cant get your stupid facts straight.
    Maybe if you learn how to talk properly with a little bit more mannerisms and stop posting like a high school drop out – people like me will maybe believe you.
    You sound like your on active parole or a parolee at large – exhibiting a typical jail house 2-year old temper tantum. Get a grip and grow some balls – little girl.
    Now i’m being a smart ass

  • look here.. for one i am not a ex-con and two i am just a little bitter on how my mom got the shaft.. and trust me i have balls you have no clue what my life has turned into since this has happened to my family.. oh ya and i did graduate from high school matter of fact i was supposed to be class of 98 but my diploma says class of 97 so now what??? and and maybe you should grow some balls and post your real name like me.. my name is Jim mother fucking Beaudet.. look me up if you want..

  • Hey, everyone, dial back the swearing please.

    Jim, that’s an awful, awful story. But thank you for sharing it. I just went to an event yesterday and spoke to a woman named Gloria Killian who spent nearly seventeen years in prison for a crime that she has always maintained she did not commit. Finally in 2002 her sentence was overturned.

    One of the problems with women in prison is that there are even fewer programs for them than there are for the men.

    Your mother is lucky to have a son who has so ardently stood by her.

  • Jim – this is how the system works.
    You mom will have to pay back the 36Gs.
    Pay extra money to collect the 36Gs back.
    She will pay a state parole fee.
    A victim’s restitution fee.
    That’s aside from the money she now needs to pay for her public pretender (or private attorney) and the superior court fees.
    Just like everyone else that gets arrested and convicted, your mom will not be treated any different – unless is super rich.
    By the way, its not 5000 to be released – its more like around 2000-2900.
    Hopefully, the majority will be non-violent offenders.
    I have never heard a person getting 16 months – its almost always 36 months or 3/4/5/ and up….ect – in years.
    If your mom got 16 months – she has some incredible luck. She should be out in like 4 months – probably better than spending a county lit of 365 days in county jail – which is way worst than CDCR.
    Your mom will probably be out by tomorrow on the 25.
    Jan. 25, 2009 – is the starting release date for all low risk offenders. I can not tell you how long the exiting process will take – to reach your mother’s cdc number.
    She is a female – so she should be out fast.

  • thank you Celeste. and sorry about the swearing im just a little bitter. at the prison she is at she was told that every inmate has to program and work so she is working as a porter my mom has been in there for 5 months now and from day one they all have to take test like a placement test for school and my mom has many degrees from 3 different colleges but they had her program for more school and she has completed six courses and got the certs to show for it but she was told that they are going to stop the school program so what she has completed does that count??? do you have any info that might help me understand how this early release works?? and how they get all the credit days.. thank you..

  • thank you POP but here is the info that you never heard..” On Thursday, the LAPPL—the LAPD’s union— vigorously protested the upcoming release of between 5000 and 6500 prisoners starting on January 25, which is this coming Monday”. so i dont know were you heard the 2000 to 2900 hopefully came from but at the top of this page it says 6500.. see i did graduate and i can read.. I am not here to bicker back and fourth with you POP so if you dont have any truthful info please leave your 2 cent to yourself.. if you do have some please post it on here.. thanks

  • I cant believe your falling for this guy Celeste.
    Now I see how you easily get fooled by these manipulating criminals.
    I am starting to believe that your the type of person that when the local police department has a guy squared off in a containment – your be the lady that opens your front house door and lets the criminal in to hide out.
    Probably feeds them too and gives them your ex-husband’s clothes to change over to….

  • P. I don’t have any way of really knowing what Jim’s mom did or didn’t do. But, I can express sympathy for his distress. It sounds like an awful situation.

    However, for you to make the assumptions you have just made about me is offensive and over the line.

  • hahaha this guy.. pop i gave you my name i told you to look me up so do it, you will see i am not a criminal.. i am actually a business owner and a father so maybe you should just delete your self from this site and stop looking like a fool.. and i already told you she paid the entire amount back already so dont try to act like a attorney and act like you know a damn thing about the system. i have spent the last 5 months of my life ready and studying books from the law library so when you say you never heard of 16 months i bet that is true because you dont seem to know the difference from your *** and a hole in the ground.. 16 months is low term for a pc.487(a) grand theft by embezzlement…

  • Hey Celeste, that sure doesn’t sound like the pops that usually comments here. Low end state term is 16 months on most felony crimes that I was ever the I.O. on that wasn’t adw and up or massive amounts of cash or propery or dope involved.

    Just a feeling.

  • Sure Fire – its me –
    Honestly, I just cant see his mom getting State Prison for her type of offense in a Los Angeles Superior court. These cases numerous.
    Why would a judge sent her 16 months to state prison with no priors.
    That negative comment I made toward Celeste was over the issue that Jim can just go off mother fucking everyone – and Celeste seems to be okay with that – I’m not.
    Then when I ask the guy a simple question about where to get a money order over $500.00 – I get a rude defensive comment in return.
    I already told this guy how many will be paroled out in LA County by July of 2010 – give and take 1,952.
    Estimated – 24,226 in the entire State of California.
    But why should I waste my time on some guy that seems to provide some off base details about his mom’s story.
    He just wants to hear from Celeste – cause I guess he thinks she is the guru of police information.
    I think he read the LA WEEKLY’s blog awards acticle.
    I’m just puzzled – on a lot of so called facts that he is stating.

  • I just got off the phone with my good friend who is a DA for LA County Superior Court. She said its usually 5 years probation with a sanction of county jail time – sometimes no custody time (when a person has no priors).
    She was thrown back when I advised her on ever hearing about 16 months state prison.

  • Exactly my point – you addressed both of us.
    But, if you scroll up – your see that I never used foul language towards anyone.
    Calling a guy an “idiot” and telling him to “grow some balls” puts me in the same category?
    Come on Ms. Fremon – this is why I get upset with you too.
    The bias that goes on here is clearly seen….. repeatedly.

  • P. We’re having sort of a silly conversation, but okay. He swore and you and called you a name. You said, “Grow some balls” and called him a little girl.

    What I saw is something escalating and you both had some responsibility. Maybe Jim more than you. I don’t know. I didn’t tally it up. It’s not bias, for crying out loud, it’s energy conservation.

    And speaking of energy conservation, I’m going to bed.

    And to all a good night.

  • Hey pop I never said I was from la matter of fact I am from the central coast and I am well aware of the punishment of 5 yrs probation but she got state prison time because the D.A and the judge are all friends here in this town. How many times do I have to repeat myself on that??? If you would have read all my threads you would have read the entire story but I’m sure you just jump around or can’t even read to begin with. And I really don’t give two shits who your good friend is even if he is a D.A. As far as I’m concerned there all crooked. I am no problem posting the truth on here and what I think even if I do post something mean or wrong wtf are you going to do ground me take my bday away come on for real POP get a JOB…

  • Jim, your mom didn’t have some kind of paperwork that showed these people she sold her business to still owed her money? I had a friend of over 20 years that was steadily embezzling money (none of us that knew him had a clue) for years. He probably took about $200,000 but only about $125,000 could be proved.

    Prior to being sentenced he paid everything back and still got 16 months and had no past record of any type. There was a pretty good paper trail and I’m just wondering how it was your mom didn’t have something to back up her claim it was money she was owed. I also was wondering if it was a jury trial or if she just took a plea.

    I have the same problem Pops does with this whole scenario, not that small town type things don’t happen but when you come on here with this type rap that is ridiculous….

    “Ok check this out. I am going to start with the lapd and how much shit they are talking about on this 5000 felons coming to LA well for one if the lapd didn’t frame or just plain fuck over atleast 45 percent of the felons that THEY sent to prison and are scared because maybe one day they will have to face one of those so called felons and look them eye to eye on the street and have to explain why they framed them just to make themselfs look like good pigs”

    …to the core and based on no type of facts it sounds like you’re just going off because your pissed about your mom.

    If your mom got screwed by the system you do what you need to help her, to post your ridiculous cop rant is b.s. I’ve worked in the system over 30 years and know better than to buy what your saying.

    One last thing, can you post a link to your mom’s case or a case number, I’d like to read it.

  • By the way, in reading the Legislative Analysts Office police brief on Assessing The Prison Population Reduction Proposal, some things are obvious.

    1. The new rules will strain county jails capacity limits which in my mind says that many “technical violators” having to do a stint in county will necessitate the early release of other inmates. Where does this plan address the type of inmates to be released from county early, who makes that decision?

    2) This new class of parolee, a summary parolee is what people are calling this no breed, with no supervision will commit new crimes as it is so be ready to get your car, idenity or personal property ripped off at a higher rate. Property crimes simply doesn’t mater now and criminal scum will know it.

    3. This plan puts fiscal solutions to the budget problems before public safety as evidenced by their comments on wanting to avoid sending people back to prison for long terms under 3 Strikes. They want all “wobblers” to be prosecuted as misdemeanors to avoid all the local thieves getting sent to the joint, great.

    I could go on but why bother? Anyone who thinks this is a good idea and that crime won’t increase is dreaming.

    http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2010/crim/prison_pop/prison_pop_012510.pdf

  • SF, I just got off a telephone press conference with the CDCR Secretary Matthew Cates to clarify some of this stuff.

    I’ll be posting about it tonight. But one area in which I agree with you is the worry about the strain on local jails. The state talks about a plan to share resources with the Counties but I too fear that in alleviating the strains on the prisons we may exacerbate the strains on the already catastrophically strained jails.

    I’ll address the parole issue later.

  • The early release is a totally different bill then the overcrowding bill. There will be very few released and it will happen over a period of 4 months. They are taking 6 weeks off of a year only for those that completed rehabilitation programs. It is not a mass release and they are going over each individual file and taking it on a case by case basis. Oh they are also giving daily credits for the time that the person sentenced until they left county to go to state. Like I mentioned before, it is only 6 weeks and yes I understand that the Prop 36 was not successful but that is a different plan also. That was used to try and get out of jail. They are talking about the SAP program that is a program that is done while the person is in prison. Funny thing is they took that program out due to funding so I have no clue how that incentive is going to work since there is no drug program any longer. BUT there are inmates that already completed it before they took it out. They will be eligible for 6 weeks off of a year. I know that the success rate is low but they are getting out in 6 weeks anyway. Some people will learn from the program but most wont. Myself, I would rather have them get out 6 weeks early and hope that some of them learned then have them get out in 6 weeks anyway with no rehab at all.
    Another thing is it seems that people can be a little nicer and more open minded to what others have to say. Sure we all have our views and beliefs but we can try and be a bit more respectful!

  • Oh and thank you Celeste. I do like this Blog and like to express my opinion. I do kind of think some of the arguing is silly but that is the awesome things about these blogs. Our opinions. (I like this one too!)

  • In all the years I worked I saw one and only one person clean up. Rehab is a joke and a person cleans up whatever substance abuse problem they have when they want, not due to some court, friend or loved one telling them to.

    Most simply never do.

  • I happen to know more then one person that cleaned up. I was in the system in 1999, paroled Feb 2002. Had a good job since May of 2002. Aside from my regular job, I help single parents get out of the system and into school or jobs, help them get their kids into youth sports, and help them find resources to get at least caught up. Granted, they do not all make it, but a lot of those people have completed school and have jobs and are just fine. Sure they have to want to get clean but sometimes prison does help because they have nothing to do there except think. It worked for me and it has worked for others, but as I mentioned numerous times before, they are only getting 6 weeks off of their sentence. Is that really that much time? But if it gives them incentive to try and get help then why not? Even if it only helps a few, that is a few less that will be committing crimes. Everybody counts.

  • Sure fire I really don’t care if you believe me or not I guess you will all see the truth when my story hits cnn and fox news and why in hell would I post her case number or dcd number on here just so you can stir up more crap since you have been in the system for over 30 yrs?? Give me a break. If you have been involved with the sysyem for 30 yrs then I’m sure you are just ass crooked as the rest so keep your 2 cents to your self and keep mine and my moms name out of your mouth.. Have a great day..

  • Gosh Jim, I sure hope things work out for you. I feel awful that you are so angry but really can’t we all just get along?? I have been through the system. I survived. I did not feel that I should be there, but I would not change it for anything. At the time, I thought it was the worse thing in my life, but now I look back and see that it made it who I am today. I saw the system, experienced the system, lived the system. And in turn, I made the best out of it and learned. I now help others. You never know, maybe she is there for a reason. You have to believe that. There is not much else we can believe. It will work itself out.

  • janie im glad you had a good time in there but my mom has no business there she is a 56 yr old woman in really bad health even the crapy dr there told her she need surgery but they cant do it in there because its to risky. but on the other hand they wont let her out so thats why i have such a hard time about all of this. she just got shafted from day one.. im glad that the system changed your way of life but my mom has no business being in there so DON’T say “maybe she is there for a reason” she has it made out here..

  • You seem to be just angry with everyone. I really do not understand why you would tell me “DONT SAy” anything. This is a blog and we are entitled to say what we feel. I did not say your mom was bad and actually neither am I. You don’t know my situation and really there is no reason to. Funny thing, you think with your situation, you would not be one to judge, but you obviously judged me. It’s ok though, I am used to it. I was in prison after all, so I guess I must be bad. I wrote you the comment because I feel bad for your situation. I never said that I had a good time in there either. I had a horrible time. I was away from my husband and children for 27 months. It was no picnic.

    It seems that you are just out here to express your anger, which you have a right to say what you want. But when anyone tries to say anything to you, you just get angry with them. I do not think there is anything anyone can say or do to try and help you because you are just too angry.

    I really do hope the best for you and your mom but you should just try and calm down a bit and try and find ways to help instead of just getting so angry at anyone that addresses you. I am sure I probably made you angry again but anything I say will make you mad.
    I hope someone helps you out with this and your mom is ok.

  • Nice response Jim, all I did was ask a few questions and didn’t accuse your mom of anything and you showed yourself to be the cop hating idiot you are.

    I’m guessing I’ll be waiting a long time for that Fox News story.

  • I don’t really think that Jim wants any help. He just wants to be mad at anyone that comments to him. It is really a shame because he is going to do his mom no good at all unless he gets a bit more rational. I feel even worse for his mom because he really is not helping the situation at all. What a shame!

  • janie im sorry for jumping on you i guess i just read it wrong and yes i am very mad and to be honest every time someone makes a smart ass remark i get madder just like sure fire you are right i do hate cops and i will be the first to admit it and i have no shame in telling that to there faces.. i am just bitter at what has become of my family over this mess and what my mom has been thru but today i got some good news from her and she will be out sooner then i thought.. oh and sure fire that fox news threat i posted on here ya well someone got scared and called them for me. so thanks to who ever did it..

  • Good luck with your cop hate Jim, you should do coffee with Robbie “All LAPD officers are Nazis” Thomas, you could tell each other cop jokes over a nice latte.

  • Jim, Sure Fire beat me to it.

    Hating police officers is as destructive and irrational as hating all teachers because you ran into some really bad ones. Sorry for the lecture, but it’s a bigoted and destructive attitude that can only do harm—to you as well as to others.

  • Well sure fire let’s not talk about nazis because if cops were nazis then maybe I wouldn’t hate them.I’m not saying I am a nazis but nazis don’t like law enforcment well atleast all the ones I know.. But like I said yesterday I got good news from my mom and that is the only thing I care about..

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