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Fatima Bhutto: Pakistan’s Very Smart New Voice Explains It All

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NOTE: This is cross-posted at Huffington Post’s OFF THE BUS section.

Benazir Bhutto isn’t the only one in the family with an ardent following in troubled Pakistan.
There is also her niece, 25-year-old, Fatima Bhutto, a newspaper columnist/author and, in the eyes of many, the crown princess of Pakistan’s most powerful political dynasty.

Now that Benazir is back under house arrest again and calling for General Musharraf to quit, I phoned Fatima in Karachi, and talked with her about her aunt’s extravagant political gamesmanship, about how Pakistanis will react if the U.S. attacks Iran, about which American presidential candidate looks like a winner from a Pakistani standpoint—and which Dem she personally wants to see win. [Hint: It’s not Hillary].

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CELESTE: How has the Bush Administration affected Pakistani politics?

FATIMA BHUTTO: A lot. Musharraf has been fighting the war on terror for the Bush White House, as if it was his own, and so he’s brought it to our doorstep. Prior to 9/11 and the war on terror, the religious parties in Pakistan really had no ground support. Out of 400 seats in parliament, they would take maybe four or five. They would never break double digits. But after 9/11, and after opening up our borders to American forces, and launching airstrikes, the religious right has tripled or quadrupled their support. Instead of getting four seats, they get 15 or 20 seats. And now we have a civil war going on in the northern part of our country.

CF: As you know, the US will elect a new president. Do Pakistanis pay much attention to American politics? And if so, who would they like to see in office?

FB: Actually, Pakistanis follow American elections very closely, because they affect us so much. But, if you ask most Pakistanis, they believe earnestly that Republicans are the best, because they’ll give us a lot of money, aide and weapons. The average person forgets that, in return, we have to do the American’s dirty work for them. I think what a lot of people are most upset about is right now is that Americans are threatening to cut aid. The average Pakistani doesn’t think about what we have to do to get that money.

CF: What about you? Who do you like?

FB: I have to say I like Obama a lot. His record is the best. He’s always been vocal about his opposition to the war in Iraq. And he’s speaking out against the Patriot Act. Frankly, he seems very good in a lot of ways. Whereas with Hillary, if you look at her record, it doesn’t support what she says now. If I could vote in the American elections, Obama would get my vote.

But even Obama has come out and said, if necessary, we will attack Pakistan. They’ve all said that — Republicans and Democrats. So Pakistanis feel the safest bet is the Republicans, because they will fund us and give us those F-16s that we paid for and never got. As, for the religious parties, they like the neocons because they lose a lot of their dynamism if they have no one to go up against. For them, the neocons are perfect.

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To understand the magnetic force the name “Bhutto” conjures in Pakistan, imagine the Kennedys, the Clintons and the entire Bush clan all rolled into one — with added doses of tragedy, corruption and political intrigue. The patriarch is the late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Pakistan’s wildly popular former prime minister, and Fatima’s grandfather (who was hanged after a military takeover by General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq). It’s important to know that Fatima’s father, Murtaza Bhutto, was an opposition member of parliament when older sister Benazir was last in power, and that he died in a hail of bullets under still-cloudy circumstances at the hands of the police force under his sister’s rule. Then later, Benazir retreated into exile amid big-money corruption charges that Musharraf has recently agreed to drop.

You also need to know that Columbia-educated Fatima i
s widely expected to leap into politics herself. But, if and when she ever does, it will assuredly not be under her aunt’s Pakistani People’s Party banner.

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CF: A lot of people have called for you to run for public office? Are you seriously considering it?

FB: Well, I don’t believe my name automatically qualifies me, or makes me the best person. In a country like Pakistan where is politics is often an art form of the elite, and it’s often very dynastic, it’s hard to explain to people why I don’t think it’s a birthright. But no, I’m not going to run for elections this January or February whenever Musharraf claims its going to happen. I’d only do it if I felt I could make a positive difference. But, I feel like writing is best for now.

CF
: And in the future?


FB:
I’m very political in my writing. And I’m politically active in other ways. I think we can build democracy in Pakistan. But it will take time. And it will be a Pakistani democracy. Not one that’s imposed by….someone else.

CF : Speaking of political impositions, how would Pakistanis react if Bush were to attack Iran?

FB: I think it would be catastrophic. If our government sides with an American attack on Iran, that’ll be it. The Pakistani people have great sympathy for the Iranian people. We don’t think we’re anything like the Afghans. We don’t think we’re like the Iraqis, really either. But Pakistanis and Iranians have a connection. Urdu is very much like Farsi. It’s practically the same language.

I visited Iran last January. And I asked Iranians what they would do if there was an American strike. And they said, “We’d strike America back.” I asked how they could do that. And they said, “Don’t you realize, we’ll strike them in Afghanistan, we’ll strike them in Iraq, and we’ll strike them in Pakistan.” Really, it would be catastrophic.

CF: Now that your aunt’s again under house arrest, and has ratcheted up her calls for General Musharraf to step down, the media is reporting that the Bush-brokered power sharing deal between her and the general is now off.

FB: A lot of this is theater. Actually, it seems very much still on. Her corruption cases remain withdrawn — as per the arrangements of the deal. all her supporters and her party members are allowed into the compound with her. She addresses her supporters outside through a megaphone. And she is granted amazing access to the media here, while other political parties have been given a blanket ban. If they want to hold a press conference they’re not allowed. Only the Islamic party is given similar freedoms. And it isn’t Benazir’s supporters getting arrested by the thousands. It’s the lawyers who have been charged with treason, and the journalists.

CF: So why her latest surge in rhetoric?

FB: I think she’s in a tight spot. Her party supporters want her to come out more directly against Musharraf and she’s flip flopped. It seems, though, that Musharraf’s camp is tiring of her. One of his cabinet members just gave a statement saying she is the least suitable candidate for Prime Minister. But then again they never wanted her in the first place. She was forced upon them by the White House.

It’s a murky situation here. Unfortunately it only gets murkier by the minute.

CF: Ever since emergency rule was declared, much of the media has been shut down. So how is everyone managing to get news?

FB: Well, this is the 13th emergency that’s been declared in Pakistan’s sixty-year history. So we pretty much know the drill. But the media has suffered tremendously since this emergency. The journalistic community was accused of betraying the country. A media law was passed almost immediately, which states that broadcasters can no longer give opinions about Pakistan. No live scenes of conflict can be aired on TV anymore. Now, we no longer know who is protesting, who is in danger. Stations can be shut down at any time. No foreign airtime is allowed. So we don’t have CNN or the BBC anymore… And we can’t even get podcasts. We’re proud of the fact that we’re part of the information age. Cutting that off has jolted people, especially the young people.

CF: Okay, then what methods do you use to get the word out?

FB: They haven’t been able to block our email providers like Hotmail. Blogs are also very useful for notifications about protests and arrests. And we get a lot of news from text messaging. The government thought that this media blackout would deprive us of the news, but somehow we’re very resourceful people.

CF: You lost your father when you were fourteen years old..
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FB: Yes. He was assassinated in a very violent way. We read about assassination squads in the paper every day. Violence is so cheap in Pakistan. But when it happens to your father, you have a different stake in it. He was killed right outside our house. And I went to the hospital so I saw him in that… state. I don’t know that we’ll ever get justice in my father’s case. Too many people have too much to lose.

CF: Were you close to your father?

FB: I was very, very close to my father. My biological mother and he were divorced when I was very young. And he didn’t marry my stepmother — who is really my mother –until years later. So my father raised me as a single parent until I was almost seven. So we were sort of bachelors in exile. It was my father who brushed my hair, and took me to school and did my homework with me. It was very progressive, I think. He was the first one to notice that I enjoyed writing. He gave me the foundation that I stand on now. He was the best.

CF: When it comes to writers, who are you heroes?

FB: Robert Fisk. I remember reading his book when I was eighteen and going off to college, and thinking, I want to be like him and be a journalist. Seymour Hersh. He’s another person. My favorite poet is T.S. Elliott. I love writers from the Jazz Age. I love Fitzgerald. I’m a very proud bookworm. I just read The History of Love by Nicole Krauss. It’s beautiful, beautiful writing.

CF: You’re very critical of both the Musharraf government, and of your aunt. Are you ever fearful about your own safety?

FB: Well, yes… I’ve been very vocal in my columns, and sometimes I’ve been told, “You could be hurt if you’re not careful.” But it always comes in the form or a friendly warning and not a direct threat. (pause) But I take precautions.

16 Comments

  • Powerful piece, Celeste. Thanks for putting it up here. I am appreciative of Fatima’s insights, and wish that young woman all the best.

  • […] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerptFatima Bhutto: Pakistan’s Very Smart New Voice Explains It All [IMG ] November 14th, 2007 by [IMG ] Celeste Fremon [IMG fatima-bhutto-3-afp.gif] NOTE: This is cross-posted at Huffington Post’s OFF THE BUS section. Benazir Bhutto isn’t the only one in the family with an ardent following in troubled Pakistan. There is also her niece, 25-year-old, Fatima Bhutto, a newspaper columnist/author and, in the eyes of many, the crown princess of Pakistan’s most powerful political dynasty. Now that […]

  • Maggie, I have no idea what the &^%$#@!@$$! filter is doing. There was nothing in your posts that should have triggered it, and it didn’t just hold for moderation, it snatcherooed them altogether. (Mutter-mumble-hiss). Good you told me. They’re all restored, and supposedly it’ll learn your name and IP.

    Grrrrrr. It’s been that kind of day. I was up all night editing the interview, as Fatima said a lot of very good stuff and I wanted to distill a bit.

    Anyway…. Ghosts in the machine.

  • mullah cimoc say tribal elders in waziristan all say same thing.

    look like benazir working as agent in place for western intel. cia and british seeking to depose musharaff (or chastize severely him ) for refuse commiting the war crime against him tribal people in NWFP.

    this walking coup all the concoct in washington dc and him cia agent write the script.

    neocon spy in whitehouse and pentagon him wanting benazir for puppet while cia control all and mass the murder of the tribes.

    usa media so control for keep usa people the ignorant. but usa be punish even now. him daughter take the LBT (low back tattoo) and slut have him sex with every man, even usa gang member. this the true punish for ameriki let wicked to killing so many him muslim.

    for see slut pic of benazir click on this link:

    http://www.kevo.com/profile/benazirbhutto/media/21747

  • They’re all restored, and supposedly it’ll learn your name and IP.

    Celeste – have your very smart computer savvy Son, explain “dynamic” IP address assignments.

  • Fatima saying that Musharaff has been fighting the war on terror “as if it were his own, so he has brought to our doorstep,” puts to rest any accusations that Musharaff hasn’t been trying to oust Al Qaeda and other anti-western extremists. In fact, she dislikes him precisely because he has, so what would she do if her people took power? Refuse to do this, because it ticks off the fundamentalists, and then just let them use Pakistan as a staging ground for attacking Afghanistan and Iraq? Seems that you can’t put that genie back in the bottle. Yes, Bush was a fool to have started the war, but now what? Did she say what her solution would be; are she and the arrested judges/ journalists etc. basically saying, sc-w America and its money, let them deal with their own problems from now on?

    Sounds like if Mushareff goes, unless Bush makes a deal with Bhutto, America’s war with Al Qaeda will escalate exponentially, with Al Qaeda and the Taliban operating freely. If we pull out, the countries will be overrun by these extremists, like under the Taliban before.

    As for “Mullah Cimoc,” did you notice the one thing he can spell correctly is “LBT (low back tattoo)” — mighty suspicious for a Mullah.

  • “As for “Mullah Cimoc,” did you notice the one thing he can spell correctly is “LBT (low back tattoo)”

    Very funny. I’m going off to run with the very patient dog, then will come back and address the rest. But the last remark made me laugh out loud. Mighty suspicious indeed!

  • Still curious about Fatima’s take on this issue, of whether as it definitely sounds, her (and the protesters’) goal is to dump America so the Islamic fundamentalists/Al Qaeda get off Pakistan’s back and go after us directly, with the consequences above. Her preference for Obama because he’d pull the US out of the region fastest suggests that, too. But many feel Obama (and she) are worse than naive, and the old guard like Musharaff/Bhutto are the evils we can work with to rout the Islamists, not just give in to them now that they’re unleashed in all their fury. (That begs the question, CAN they really be neutralized, or are they so entrenched in the general population that it’s hopeless?)

  • Maggie, I think I can accurately address that. But, first, let me see if there’s a possibility I can get Fatima to do so in the next day or so—as, obviously, she’s in a much better position to answer than I am. If I succeed, I’ll put up a brand new post.

    Good question, though. We need this kind of dialogue.

  • Wow. Great interview. I wondered the same thing as Maggie: is Musharaff working hard to combat violent religious extremists? Recent news reports would have one believe otherwise though Fatima Bhutto suggest he is trying, just not doing a very good job. Anybody got any more light to shed on this?

  • i m chemical engineer graduate fdrom uet lahore.i m basically from ghtki.i was going to USA for higher studies but now i have changed my direction to css.inshallah i will appear in 2009 exam for css.i m 23 and impressed by the views of fatima bhutto……….

  • every single person knows what is true,i am affeceted alot from pakistani political virus.fatima is 100% true in most of her view.

  • wow!!!
    some of her words are sooo inspirational
    she has gien me soo mch inspiration
    i am 16 yrs old and just readin dis makes me want to do something with my life

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