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“And That’s the Way It is…” Good Night, Dearest Walter. Good Night. UPDATED

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FEBRUARY 27, 1968

Tonight, back in more familiar surroundings in New York, we’d like to sum up our findings in Vietnam, an analysis that must be speculative, personal, subjective. Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I’m not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. Another standoff may be coming in the big battles expected south of the Demilitarized Zone. Khesanh could well fall, with a terrible loss in American lives, prestige and morale, and this is a tragedy of our stubbornness there; but the bastion no longer is a key to the rest of the northern regions, and it is doubtful that the American forces can be defeated across the breadth of the DMZ with any substantial loss of ground. Another standoff. On the political front, past performance gives no confidence that the Vietnamese government can cope with its problems, now compounded by the attack on the cities. It may not fall, it may hold on, but it probably won’t show the dynamic qualities demanded of this young nation. Another standoff.

We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi’s winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that — negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer’s almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.

To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy’s intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.

For nineteen years he was the nation’s narrator. He defined credibility. He spoke to us as if we were adults. We trusted him.

Good night, Walter. Sweet dreams. And thank you.

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UPDATE:

There is a huge irony that, although Cronkite’s famous 1968 broadcast editorial (above) has been referenced repeatedly and reverently since his death, by network and cable talking heads, which of those deliriously effusive broadcasters has ever have or ever would challenged the government line as truthfully as Cronkite did then—however belatedly.
On Saturday, Glenn Greenwald at Salon said it well:

Tellingly, his most celebrated and significant moment — Greg Mitchell says “this broadcast would help save many thousands of lives, U.S. and Vietnamese, perhaps even a million” — was when he stood up and announced that Americans shouldn’t trust the statements being made about the war by the U.S. Government and military, and that the specific claims they were making were almost certainly false. In other words, Cronkite’s best moment was when he did exactly that which the modern journalist today insists they must not ever do — directly contradict claims from government and military officials and suggest that such claims should not be believed. These days, our leading media outlets won’t even use words that are disapproved of by the Government.

Despite that, media stars will spend ample time flamboyantly commemorating Cronkite’s death as though he reflects well on what they do (though probably not nearly as much time as they spent dwelling on the death of Tim Russert, whose sycophantic servitude to Beltway power and “accommodating head waiter”-like, mindless stenography did indeed represent quite accurately what today’s media stars actually do). In fact, within Cronkite’s most important moments one finds the essence of journalism that today’s modern media stars not only fail to exhibit, but explicitly disclaim as their responsibility.

37 Comments

  • In the covereage I’ve seen so far – understandably, since Cronkite was associated with so much ephochal history – there’s been no mention of his 50’s TV show, You Are There. I used to love watching that show, where they would re-create historical events as though they were being covered by modern-day TV reporters, with Cronkite literally anchoring the coverage. Some of the episodes are available on DVD and I think I may order them, just because Cronkite’s passing spurred vivid memories of my fascination with this show as a little kid. John Frankenheimer, who directed Manchurian Candidate, directed the series.

    He was a journalist’s journalist, as he proved in WWII. Cronkite flew into Holland with the 101st airborne in a glider on what turned out to be an extremely dangerous mission to blow up bridges on the Rhine. Took a lot of guts.

    Essential obit trivia: Cronkite was son of St. Joseph Missouri – along with Coleman Hawkins and, yes, Eminem.

  • He had the voice, he had the look. We trusted him, and he seems to have honored that trust. Sail on, Mr. Cronkite, with calm waters and the wind at your back.

  • Cronkite was a great man until he misreported Tet and decided (as he wrote years later) to use his “most trusted” position to distort the news from Vietnam so that we would withdraw.

    In doing so, he set the example for modern journalists: lie if you believe it will bring about good results (“social justice” is the modern term).

    The US decisively won Tet, as US and NVA military leaders knew immediately. In fact, the reason we were caught by surprise is that nobody expected the VC, under NVA orders, to commit suicide with such an idiotic operation (that they also violated a truce was no surprise, given their total refusal to fight within the laws of war). The VC lost 50% of their total force in the Tet offensive much of the rest in their remaining two offensives in ’68. General Giap was effectively demoted as a result, never again allowed to control the strategy without “supervision.”

    However, Tet was a victory for the North, as the belatedly discovered, ONLY because of its misreporting and the subsequent impact on the American will to fight (although the majority of Americans supported the war up to the end, the political and elite classes gave up). When they discovered how the US media was winning the war for them, they adapter their strategy to create stories that would feed that media narrative of a lost war.

    Cronkite betrayed his country – like so many liberals, out of the best of motives. He was truly a Useful Idiot from the communist point of view.

  • “The Vietcong did not win by a knockout [in the Tet Offensive], but neither did we … We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. . . .

    “For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. . . . To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past” — Walter Cronkite, CBS Evening News, February 27, 1968.

    Here are some representative Gallup Polls on the Vietnam War over key years, including Tet –

    The first number is % who thought the war was a mistake, the second number is those who thought it wasn’t, and the third is no opinions.

    1971 May 14-17 61 28 11

    1969 Sep 17-22 58 32 10

    1968 Sep 26-Oct 1 54 37 9
    1968 Aug 7-12 53 35 12

    1968 Feb 22-27 49 42 9

    1967 Oct 6-11 47 44 9

    Also, pollsters found that younger and educated people – those reviled by Vietnam dead-enders who cling to their fantasies of “victory”- were if anything more likely to support the war than older and less educated. And by the summer of 1970, 23% of Americans favored immediate withdrawal from Vietnam, 25% favored withdrawal within 12 months, 33% favored eventual withdrawal but with no set timetable, and 10% favored sending more troops (9% no opinion.)

    A reminder that John Moore’s comments are fact-free zones.

  • I noted with some delight that no one here or hardly anywhere gave much note to Robert McNamara’s passing last wk? I like the fact that he spent the balance of his life trying to exonerate himself from his deceitful activities during the 60s. Lot of good it did him. Toodle-oo Bob…

  • McNamara’s mistakes didn’t end with his pitiful behavior during Vietnam. His World Bank tenure showed lots of money spent, no results. McNamara was a great example of arrogance leading to hubris.

  • reg: the fascist contingent weighs in

    That term more aptly applies to Obama and his suporters. Do you mean them?

    How can someone say that the U.S. didn’t win the Tet Offensive when we denied the North Vietnamese army its objective? We had our defense on the field, not our offense, and we kept the other side, using an illegal trick play, out of the endzone and threw them for losses with a great goal-line stand.

    But, Cronkite chose to hand the North Vietnamese a public relations and political win while denying any win at all to our military. He knew that he was lying then and only admitted it decades later after he had accomplished his self-believed noble goal of getting the U.S. out of SE Asia. However, in the process, he and others like John Kerry and Jane Fonda extended the war and let the enemy know that they only had to hold on until liberals could destroy U.S. morale and the will to continue.

    I know a Marine who fought in the Tet Offensive and he says that there was no doubt that the U.S. won that fight, as John Moore explained and as opposed to what Cronkite “factually” reported.

    But, some hate-America fanatics, like reg, use opinion polls…of all things…as his “facts,” rather than admit that the offensive failed in its mission.

    Liberals, along with reg, continue to hate the U.S., our military, and, after thirty years, continue to spit on our Vietnam vets.

  • I used the opinion polls to demonstrate that Moore’s assertion about public opinion was totally false. As to the rest of it, I don’t discuss complex history with tiny minds.

  • Also you mindless hatemongering fuck – I’ve got a kid in the US military. When you have skin in the game, get back to me. Meanwhile, shove your ignorant ravings up your idle, adolescent ass.

  • If reg doesn’t want to discuss history with tiny minds, it’s only because his is smaller and he knows that he can’t win.

    Polls can be twisted and their results misinterpreted if you don’t ask the correct questions or ask poorly worded ones, and they will be selective in the periods that they choose. Liberals are famous for this.

    This is reminiscent of polls on Pres. Bush, in which conservatives didn’t approve of his performance because he wouldn’t veto spending, completely opposite of the liberals, but the press implied that the whole country was against him for not being more liberal.

    Here’s a better take on public opinion of the Vietnam Conflict.

    Support for the Vietnam War

    …(There was, by the way, substantial support for a stronger war effort, especially early in the war. For instance, in a poll conducted in February 1968, 25 per cent wanted to “gradually broaden and intensify our military operations”, and 28 per cent wanted to “start an all-out crash effort in the hope of winning the war quickly even at the risk of China or Russia entering the war”. Just 24 per cent wanted to “discontinue the struggle and begin to pull out of Vietnam gradually in the near future”, and 10 per cent wanted to “continue the war at the present level of military effort”. So, much of the disatisfaction about the war came, early on, from the belief that not enough was being done to win it.)

    There is just one question that was asked, with the same wording, throughout the war. Gallup asked the following question frequently: “In view of the developments since we entered the fighting in Vietnam, do you think the U. S. made a mistake sending troops to fight in Vietnam?” If some one answers no, then we can assume that they supported the war.

    …Some common beliefs about the war are correct. Women were more dovish than men, and blacks more dovish than whites. All the patterns that I have mentioned were also found in public opinion during the Korean War and World War II. ….

    Where are your facts, reg, that Moore is wrong about who won the Tet Offensive. John Moore is correct.

    Probe your tinier mind for answers, or, you could revert to your usual style of calling people names.

  • reg, when your kid went into the military, we said to thank him for his service to his nation, but you completely downplayed that and simply said that what he was doing was best for him at the time. You clearly were not supporting the military but only accepted a choice that your son made.

    Also, every American has “skin the game” when it comes to our nation and our military. To state that no one can have an opinion on the military or assess other views on it unless you have a child serving would be to deny a right to almost the entire nation. It’s funny that you take such a position when you don’t have a “skin in the game” for the many claimed social injustices for which you take up offenses of others.

  • A “better source” which actually undermines your point and supports a key point I made about the demographics of those who tended to support the war (and I don’t know what “support” means in such a vague context, but more significantly just breaks down the “support” group by age groups and doesn’t compare the complete range of public opinon. It also relies, of course, on Gallup which is the source of the full aggregate opinion statistics I gave. You really are a complete idiot.

    And your crap about my kid and my relationship to his service – as well as the question of support for the military as opposed to support for incompetent civilian “leadership” that betrays them – is something that you can, again, shove up your sorry, sick ass . If there’s any room left next to your head.

    You really are a disgusting little shit…one of the most offensive and presumptuous pieces of crap I’ve ever encountered. Don’t you have a clue how little respecrt you garner from decent folks in these comments threads. You’d just be a fucking joke if you weren’t reeking with the stench of bigotry and white privilege.

  • Also you simpering slimeball – I don’t object to your having an opinion no matter how whack. I object to your stinking attitude that prompts the kind of gutter-level charges – totally fucking unhinged from reality – that you leveled against me.

    You are a child…an old cracker-ass crazy stuck in the morally sleazy backwaters of blatant racism and reaction who never evolved past grade school emotionally or intellectually.

  • Reg, you are a poster child for the Kos crowd. Once again you demonstrate that the hate lives on the left, that the hating lives on the left, and that the foul personal insults and politics of personal destruction are form the left.

  • Would you like to defend your fake “facts” about public opinion – and possibly consider that the biggest problem in Vietnam was a political blunder from Day One, not chasing the chimera of military “victory”? No, I guess it’s more in your petty interest to change the subject to being called out as a miserable little fascist or the fact of my total contempt for Woody’s puerile ravings.

    And I guess you got hot under the collar when Woody called me a pedophile…

    Oh wait a minute.

    You don’t have an intellectually honest bone in your body…

  • Dismissing the ravings and bile of wingnuts, here’s something for the sane, decent folk who follow this blog.

    Walter Cronkite on “You Are There” and the McCarthy blacklist.

    Turns out that the show was written almost exclusively by blacklisted writers, using “fronts” when it became necessary.

    Cronkite didn’t realize this initially, but his perspective looking back shows he was on the side of those who stood for the Bill of Rights and had no use for the small, petty types who betray fundamental American values.

  • On Greenwald’s point, I do think there is something valid in the retropsective framing of Cronkite’s career that suggests that when he did see himself as crossing the line from his resolve to adhere to his own belief in some standard of “objective reporting” – discussions of what that really means aside – he was taken so seriously precisely because he had established a reputation for fairness, integrity as a journalist and an old-school “facts mam'” approach to the craft. Cronkite was a unique figure and there is no journalist working today who can really be compared to him, nor is there any job that remotely compares to what his was at the time. He existed in a completely different environment. Talking about him in the context of contemporary journalism is sort of like trying to figure out which current band is like the Beatles. It makes no sense. (That said, Greenwald has a good point about the hypocrisy of clowns like David Gregory…but the difference is that nobody really gives a shit what David Gregory thinks. Of course, maybe if he practiced a more rigorous form of contemporary journalism, some might.)

  • The discourse has been elevated once again by the “a couple of French fries short of a Happy Meal” crowd.

    This curious comment leaves me suspecting that Moore keeps a lot more in his closet than an AK-47.

  • Having nothing to do with the argument at hand, I cannot help but notice how wonderfully well the above phrase works in French.

    (NOTE TO SELF: Must remember to slip chien de chasse-related remarks into conversation and future blog posts.

  • Moore – Pardon my French, but you’re a pathetic weasel who accused Cronkite of “betrayng his country” and made provably false assertions about public opinion during the Vietman War. You can take those twinkies and shove them up your (undoubtedly ample) ass. Oh wait…I already did that. Not only does the dog hunt, he can smell you a mile away. You’re left babbling with schoolyard stuff…any adult would be embarrassed. That you see fit to come back with such weak shit speaks volumes.

  • Just so you know, I spiked the latest cut-and-paste transfer of comments from In the Hat.

    One polite warning should have been enough.

    I’m over it.

    As with Vegas, what happened at In the Hat, needs to stay at In the Hat.

    Ya estuvo.

    Thank you.

  • Moore – I “hate” to keep piling on the insults, but this one’s not even hyperbolic – even Woody is better at humor than you are.

  • Fair enough, Celeste. I won’t expose Gava Joe here anymore, just everywhere else he spreads his shifty agenda. He’s got too big of an ego to ditch that name ,and everywhere he goes, everyone will know what he’s truly about.

  • why did you change your name to glenn, rob thomas?

    ps. your only exposing yourself, and don’t you already have one count of that against you?

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