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The Invisible New Face of American Prisons

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In an excellent article in the current issue of The Boston Review,
immigration reporter Tom Barry looks at where profit, poverty and immigration policy converge. Barry writes that in depressed communities along the U.S. southwest border, a series of public/private prisons are opening up that are changing the face of the nation’s imprisonment policies.

These facilities are owned by local governments, privately operated by corporations, publicly financed by tax-exempt bonds, and located in areas where jobs are desperately needed—a combination that has often led to abuse, Barry writes.

Here is how his story begins:

County Clerk Dianne Florez noticed it first. Plumes of smoke were rising outside the small West Texas town of Pecos. “The prison is burning again,” she announced.

About a month and a half before, on December 12, 2008, inmates had rioted to protest the death of one of their own, Jesus Manuel Galindo, 32. When Galindo’s body was removed from the prison in what looked to them like a large black trash bag, they set fire to the recreational center and occupied the exercise yard overnight. Using smuggled cell phones, they told worried family members and the media about poor medical care in the prison and described the treatment of Galindo, who had been in solitary confinement since mid-November. During that time, fellow inmates and his mother, who called the prison nearly every day, had warned authorities that Galindo needed daily medication for epilepsy and was suffering from severe seizures in the “security housing unit,” which the inmates call the “hole.”

I arrived in Pecos on February 2, shortly after the second riot broke out. I had driven 200 miles east from El Paso through the northern reaches of the Chihuahuan desert.

Pecos is the seat of Reeves County in “far west” Texas and home to what the prison giant GEO Group calls “the largest detention/correctional facility under private management in the world.” The prison, a sprawling complex surrounded by forbidding perimeter fences on the town’s deserted southwest edge, holds up to 3,700 prisoners. Almost all are serving time in federal lockup before being deported and are what the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security (DHS) call “criminal aliens.”

Although the term “criminal aliens” has no precise definition, its broadening use reflects a trend in dealing with immigrants. …

You can read the rest here.

Prison has long been big business. Nowhere, it seems, is it bigger in America than in the newly burgeoning immigration prison system.

Terry Gross interviewed Tom Barry on Fresh Air on Thursday for a radio version of the story.

75 Comments

  • Although the term “criminal aliens” has no precise definition.

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    Let me help you understand the term “criminal aliens”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83cDkgjIZWk

    If you search the WitnessLA blog for the words “Flor Medrano” you will learn about her brutal killer Daniel Carlon was a criminal alien.

    If you search “Robert W. Rosas” you will find this border patrol agent was kiiled by a criminal alien.

    Sheriff Lee Baca estimates than as many as 25% of his “guests” (we don’t want to offend them) are criminal aliens. Search “HICAAP” High Intensity Criminal Alien Apprehension and Prosecution program and learn why it was needed in L.A. county jails.

    There are thousands of examples of “criminal aliens” on the Internet, if you need more examples just let me know.

  • Great read Celeste, the continuing saga of the underclass (in this read it’s the mainly Mexican undocumented worker), being exploited by the powers that be, (interesting that the same faces and names often appear out of knowhere, in this story it’s DeLay, what a coincidence!).
    The more one reads and investigates the machinations of the “prison industrial complex” and it’s steady feeding of people as chow for the system, and the ensuing fecal waste as money and power, the more Orwellian the whole scene unfolds.
    Poor hillbilly’s in poor desolate hillbilly towns used as workers to guard other poor people, for chickenshit pay and a uniform, the land and generous tax breaks given to the same old antidemocratic scumbags like Wackenhut, Pinkerton/Burns, or whatever they call themselves nowadays.
    But the same thing happens in the urban city’s with the underclass being incarcerated at record levels mostly for crimes based on economics.
    But many Americans just think it’s the justice system protecting them from potential harm.
    Pay no attention to that man behind the screen!

  • Draconian Prison Guards, Nativists, Robber Barons, Powers That Be, Trickle Down Economists, Walter Moore, Woody, Sure Fire, Lou Dobbs and all the other xenophobes who are spewing “thier” vitriol …. BEWARE – I on my white horse with my new laptop.

  • Gee WTF I didn’t know you cared! But get your OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder), under control please, for the sake of humanity.

  • And let’s all remember D.Q. is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT posting
    comments using other names, any similarity is purely coincidental…….. LOL

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    Ben Dover Says:
    December 10th, 2009 at 9:17 am
    And to WTF,
    Take a YouTube-timeout partner. Just the anticipation of laughing significantly decreases levels of the stress hormones dopac, cortisol, and epinephrine. Wow!!
    “Laugh and be happy and the world will laugh with you…”

  • South Africa under Apartheid was internationally condemned as a racist society.

    South Africa under apartheid (1993), Black males: 851 per 100,000
    U.S. under George Bush (2006), Black males: 4,789 per 100,000
    We jail black men five times more than apartheid South Africa.

  • Uh, Celeste already debunked your accusation that DQ was posting under other names. As it turns out, more people dislike you than just DQ and myself. At some point you’re going to have to warm up to that fact. Or, keep accusing people of posting under multiple names, and keep getting your accusations thrown back in your face by the mods. Either way, it’s cool with me.

  • WTF, They’re really not the same person. You don’t have to believe me, but they’re not. The person posting under Ben Dover (and a number of other names in the past week, Dr. something or other) is a specific commenter who is a regular here. I KNOW who is doing that posting. There’s no mystery about it.

    And it isn’t Don Quixote. Not that it really matters one way or the other. I’m not defending anyone. I’m really only telling you because the inaccuracy bugs me.

    There are a couple of shape shifting commenters who make more of an effort to hide their identities, who have variable IPs, but in the end, they’re not tough to spot either.

    Again, not that it matters. It’s my reporter self that doesn’t like the non-factual conclusion. I’m not trying to give you a hard time.

  • Oh, and thank you WTF, for enlightening us on the fact that “criminal aliens” introduced the concept of murder to the United States. Americans never committed murder beforehand. We just lived in peace and harmony. Then Mexicans started coming across the border, with these things called guns, and started shooting people. Damn them!

  • Celeste, let’s just admit it. You, me, and DQ, are all the same person. Because there’s only one person on the planet that would disagree with WTF’s fringe right wing views on immigration. Face it, he nailed us. He’s a brilliant, deductive thinker. But here’s the real kicker, Celeste. He hasn’t figured out yet that we’re all the ghost of Ronald Reagan, the first president to push for amnesty and open border policies. Should we tell him? Nah.

  • Oh, and thank you WTF, for enlightening us on the fact that “criminal aliens” introduced the concept of murder to the United States.

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    And thanks to R.B., for enlightening us on the fact, that he writes is bull-shit. I re-read WTF posts at it does not mention anyone introducing murder.

    And I anot WTF, just check my ISP address.

  • http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/immigration-agents-arrests-nearly-300-foreigners-with-criminal-records-in-sweep.html

    December 11, 2009 | 10:40 am
    Immigration agents arrested more than 286 foreigners with criminal records during a three-day sweep in California, officials announced today.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement head John Morton said the operation was the largest of its kind and resulted in the arrests of illegal immigrants convicted of robbery, assault and rape.

    About 96 of the arrests took place in Los Angeles County and included people from Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and Africa. Among those arrested in the county were a suspected gang member from El Salvador who had a 2004 robbery conviction and a Guatemalan man with a 1993 conviction for lewd acts with a child under 14.

    “These are not the kind of people we want walking our streets,” Morton said.

    The arrests were conducted as part of a controversial program designed to arrest and deport immigrants who have criminal records, who have ignored deportation orders or who have been deported and illegally reentered the United States. About 400 officers and agents took part in the operation, which ended late Thursday night.

  • Boys! Boys! Can’t we have a little peace in the Valley? It’s the Holiday season and whatever side of the partially built ill-conceived fence you live on we’re all brothers at heart. As regards poseurs, rakes and rapskallions I may head the list, but I do so with zeal and a belly fulla chortles and guffaws. Please verify Celeste, that my IP doesn’t qualify as dubious. Thanks and Happy Holidays Folks.

  • For the record, I don’t rely on IP addresses for ID. For one thing, many, like me, don’t have static IPs.

    And Rob, why not dial back the personal attacks. It’d be good. Thanks.

  • Ooops, Gava Joe, posted as I was writing. You are indeed confirmed as UN-dubious.

    But rapscallion-osity is a thing to which we should all aspire, and you reach that lofty goal.

  • Chris, I just now saw your comment. Yes. Right.

    At this very minute, one in 9 African American men between the ages of 20 and 34 is incarcerated. We can’t possibly repeat that staggering statistic often enough.

  • As an American I am interested in preserving the Anglo-Celtic culture that made this country what it is. Part of the effort to destroy this British-derived culture through “multiculturalism” has come from other European groups such as the Albanians, Spaniards, Catholics, Armenians, Muslims, Jews, Greeks, Italians and Irish as well as of course the Communists and Socialists.
    Sir’s, I do indeed remember the Alamo.

  • Ruth Simmons, the black female president of Brown University, was on one of the local PBS talk shows recently, and commented on the axiom that “black women go to college, black men go to jail,” as too often being true. With herself as an extreme case in point. Talked about how that tempered her pride in her own accomplishments, about how she’s seen data that when black men do “succeed” in the traditional college- educated world, she’s seen data that says they consciously “shrink” in size and demeanor to not be intimidating.

    She also talked about something I know to be true and think has been under-reported, with the almost sole emphasis on gender inequality as it pertain to girls: how boys in general, even white middle and upper-middle class boys, are disadvantaged by an educational system which rewards sitting still, doing what you’re told on time and exactly as you’re told, wanting to please adults in authority, and so on, while boys’ natural tendency to be more hands-on learners and fidgety is often punished as “acting up” and too-often misdiagnosed as ADHD and treated with meds.

    This gender difference is compounded when the boy is of color from a lower socio-economic background, both because of being around other kids like himself where “behaving” and conforming are not seen as social virtues, and because teachers are more naturally inclined to interpret their behavior that way, with no parents able to press that their kid is given the benefit of the doubt before being sent off to “special education.”

    She said she was herself an example in a way of the gender as well as racial difference, because although she came from a family so poor they couldn’t afford books, she had teachers who recognized her intelligence and made sure she got library books and mentoring to achieve her potential – because she was a “good little girl.” She’s struck by how people refer to her as “the first black woman” president of an Ivy school, but would like to see men in that position, too. (I’m wondering, are there any black male presidents of Ivy League or other high-profile universities? I know there are/have been as heads of colleges within universities though I can’t think of who offhand.)

  • Tough concept that thing about not taking part in criminal actions so as not to go to the joint.

    I went back and read the posts here about the murdered Oakland officers from earlier this year and wonder what the reason would be for not having anything posted on the ambushed and murdered Lakewood officers.

    It’s not like there haven’t been posts from all over the country on the cases of those supported by the majority of people here. Much less tragic cases I might add. That there’s some racial as well as job status type motivation that sent this piece of shit on his rampage would seem to be right up the alley for this type of blog.

    So what’s the deal Celeste?

  • Thanks for bringing that tragedy up Surefire, albeit in some contrived accusatory form. I’m ashamed to say I had to Google “Lakewood officers” to recall the day I heard that report. I personally was shocked at the brutality and blind purpose of the perpetrator. this guy was hate-filled and consumed in his own drama. Funny, although justified to think of the officers as “innocents” but that’s what they were. They were filing reports, “5’s”, whatever on their laptops and got slaughtered. This crime was so heinous, so awe-inspiring, so channeled in the hate this killer emitted, that I honestly think it put my own consciousness into a kind of stall. The crime was (not to be glib) over the top. I felt a great sense of satisfaction when I heard the cop brothers were able to eliminate the GUILTY perp in like fashion. As soon as it was learned that this mortally wounded killer had gained aid and comfort from a group of supporters the divide was even more clearly defined.
    Sad isn’t it? But very real, my man.

  • Even more tragic, sad, and yet perverse was the fact that Galindo was put into SHU by his jailers, for being, as they claimed, a troublemaker, complaining about his lack of medical attention. Then when they got him in there they ignored his pleas for help. They told his Mother and him he would be released on Dec 12, the feast day of the Virgen of Guadalupe, a very special and important day for all Mexicans and Mexican Americans. Galindo telling his parents that he was all bruised and beat up due to his continuing epileptic fits, all alone in his cell in SHU.
    December 12, feast day of the Virgen of Guadalupe, came around and he was released alright, released inside a plastic body bag and hauled out of SHU like a dead dog.
    No wonder the prison erupted in violence, shit like this won’t be forgotten soon.
    Coincidentally December 12, tomorrow, is the day Mexicans celebrate the patroness of all Mexicans and Mexican Americans, The Virgen of Guadalupe, descanse en paz Galindo.

  • It was the biggest story in the nation. Much of the background of the killer has made its way to print. If a cop went off the deep end and targeted a group of people based on their race, religion or job (lawyers maybe) it would be all over this blog. Race and job both played parts in this tragedy and silence is what was here.

    I call it as I see it Joe, but I agree with your take.

  • Sure Fire, people just don’t like cops. I don’t know why, but they don’t. I know people should. People should appreciate the law abiding officers who do everything they can to protect us (all 100 or so of them nationwide…), but for some reason, they just don’t. Maybe it goes back to our country’s libertarian nature. At the end of the day, people don’t like the idea of being dependent on a branch of government for anything, including cops. I don’t know. I’m just guessing. When people are buying these guns right now and going to shooting ranges, it’s obvious they feel they don’t need police to protect them. Maybe they don’t trust the police now that the president’s black. But anyhow, look, SF, you chose to become a cop. Just like a guy who washes cars chooses to wash cars. If some guy who washes cars came up to you and complained about his job, how nobody appreciates him, nobody tips him, etc. How people treat him as if he’s not there. What would you tell him? You’d tell him to get his ass back to college to improve his lot in life. Well, there you go. If you don’t like the lack of appreciation there seems to be for cops anymore by the general public, stop being a cop. It’s that simple. And if you not being a cop means someone out there will suffer because you won’t be there to protect them, then so be it. And if all cops did the same, just flat out quit, we’d probably see anarchy. When I look around, I see an America that doesn’t give a shit and is daring you guys to do it. So take them up on it, and see what happens. Who knows, maybe it will be good for the country in the long run. If you guys walk off, and the public starts begging you to come back, then there you go. Hold their balls to the fire and demand a raise, to boot. If they don’t beg for your return? Maybe law enforcement as we know it just isn’t going to be applicable to the future. Only one way to find out, Sure Fire. Because just going online and crying every day because people don’t appreciate police is obviously a waste of time. Is it not?

  • Surefire, I just happened in to read the end of this as I took a break from something else.

    I quite agree with you. I do think I missed the boat in not putting something on the blog about the officers ambushed in Lakewood. The murder of those cops was horrific and heartbreaking.

    The challenge with those huge national stories is finding something original to say that hasn’t already been said a thousand times. I actually wrote something up the day the story broke, having to do with the killer’s criminal history, and some of the commentary on Huckabee, but I didn’t like what I’d written all that well and meant to do a little more thinking and research.

    But, it was in my buried in work period, and somehow I never got back to it, so I never posted anything. I’m not offering this as an excuse, just an explanation of how things go around here sometimes.

    Try as I might, I miss a lot of worthy stories—some big ones like the horrific murders of those officers, lots smaller that nobody has covered, so they just disappear. Those bother me the most.

    If things go as I hope, I’ll be expanding the site in 2010 with more voices so fewer stories will get missed.

    Still, I wish I’d put something up about the Lakewood murders, even if it was only an acknowledgment of sorrow.

  • PS: Apropos of what you said, Rob, I wish more journalists would write inside baseball stories about the different aspects of policing. It’s an infinitely interesting and story rich subject area. (And collaterally such stories increase appreciation of police. Understanding always has that affect.) Just after Bratton was selected as chief, I wrote a year’s worth of columns for the LA Weekly on this kind of thing and I encourage my students in those directions all the time. (As a consequence, one of my students just wrote a cool final project on LAPD’s cold case squad.)

    But such stories are irritating hard to sell to editors, for reasons I’ve always found irrational. In my experience, readers love such stories. (The success of cop shows on TV and of police procedurals in crime fiction, is not by accident.)

    Okay, I need to go to bed. (NOTE TO SELF: Step away from the computer.)

  • Surefire – you can go to hell with your whining. The Lakewood story was covered all over the place. You posted some comments about it that were partisan horseshit here and prove your main interest in the safety and lives of cops is to promote your anger and half-baked right-wing agenda. Your comment immediately was about blaming some un-named, unknown “liberals” in Seattle, when in fact the piece of shit who killed the cops was cut loose first by a sanctimonious asshole who has a show on FOX News and then by Arkansas state authorities who wouldn’t give the Washington state authorities the hold they need to guarantee he couldn’t get bail. I have absolute hatred for the cop-killer in Washington, but don’t come here with your accusatory self-pity and whine about who doesn’t give a shit about cops when your motives are dripping with asinine motivations that have nothing to do with issues related to cops and everything to do with your own anger and shitty, half-baked resentments masquerading as some sort of political agenda. Go fuck yourself with your attempts to paint “liberals” in your twisted image. You’re a fucking menace to the law enforcement profession because you try to lay claim to it and then fly your own shitty little flag over the profession that’s very, very small and reeking with dishonest motives because its more an expression of your petty resentments and wack world-view than the profession or the people involved.

    Your comments are cheap and phony. I’d love to discuss some of these issues with a cop. But just because you’ve been a cop doesn’t excuse the fact that you’re an asshole whose first impulse is to rag on “liberals.” I hate assholes like that and I refuse to do anything other than turn that shit back at you. You continue to embarrass the law enforcement profession with your persistence as a crappy, bitter little guttersnipe in these threads.

  • Also, the fact that “bitch” is one of your favorite words tells me a lot. You’re a phony little prick with some nasty issues, not a representative of any profession attempting to foster greater respect.

  • “(NOTE TO SELF: Step away from the computer.”

    -WITH YOUR HANDS UP-
    -WITH YOUR HANDS UP- CELESTE.

  • At the end of the day, people don’t like the idea of being dependent on a branch of government for anything

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    I agree we hate the government funded social programs for the poor and lazy? We don’t like government run welfare programs, county hospitals. And those government funded colleges schools is just ridiculus. If you can buy a gun to defend yourself, then buy a book to educate youself.

    People just don’t like the goverment supportin the poor lazy losers in life and especially their kids.

    Since we also write about holidays and other cultures, I was going to post a history of Hanukkah,and how our culture celebrates this important holiday, and point out how the Americans have no culture, but I thought it might be off topic, so I’ll just say our Jewish culture is awesome and we have fantastic grandmothers and mothers.

    Happy Hanukkah !!!!!

  • Surefire – you can go to hell with your whining
    Go fuck yourself with your attempts to paint “liberals” in your twisted image. You’re a fucking menace to the law enforcement profession
    You’re a phony little prick with some nasty issues,

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    Feliz Navidad !!!!

    Happy Hanukkah !!!!!

    Merry Christmas !!!!

    And for the agnostics or should we say antagonists.

    Happy Holidays !!!!!!!

  • Without context of some of Surefire’s prior greatest hits – serially using the term “bitch” to characterize me among other things and calling this a “cop-hater’s blog” – that last post is another bit of disingenuos crap. I’ll wish people a Merry Christmas when the day draws nearer and in a context that doesn’t relate in any way, shape or form to his explosions of rancid self-pity.

  • And he is just plain rude to the moderator. Surefire loses his temper because he wants his way. That is not right. Even if we are right, anger is not the way of doing things. Whether you are angry at the other person or not, you should not lose your temper. We often lose our tempers because we are selfish, we want our way, and we don’t want to listen to the other or don’t want to compromise and be reasonable.

  • Reg, some people like Surefire lose their temper at the littlest and slightest thing. Having such a severe temper these people seem angry all the time and will lose their temper at any given time without warning.

  • Most people like cops, many “bitches” don’t. The term fits a few here and fits them like a glolve. Funny how a person whose favorite word is some form or other of “fuck” can bitch about any term anyone else might use. This isn’t a call I’m on or some type of on duty event. I can say what I want, just like anyone else. If you can’t handle that than you shouldn’t read my post.

    A bitch is a cowardly little pimple and nothing more. The last type of person who should “bitch” about the term is someone who was without a doubt gelded long ago and has the internet as their only outlet to dispense the vulgarity and misery of their pathetic life.

    You people here don’t know cops at all. Not even a little bit. Cops can do their job, show respect to many not because they want to but because they have to and later call it as it is. I don’t have to respect any idiot on a message board and don’t look for it here. My point in bringing up the assasinations in Washington was that it was the biggest story in the nation and it should have been up here. Celeste explaine why it wasn’t, so be it.

    Back to Lakewood, the dead asshole said a lot of “white people” we’re going to die and they did. I’m sure that makes some people here happy.

  • The idiot who blamed the ex-governor for the release would be one of the many here demanding a reduction in the 100 plus year sentence he got, some of that time as a juve in the first place.

    If Clemmons had come to the attention of some of those here where stories of how nasty it is to lock up juve offenders is the norm, they would have supported his release. If it would have come to their attention by way of an ACLU or Moris Dees or some soft on juve criminals writer his relaese would have been applauded. Who are you trying to kid?

    I would have let him rot and wish he would have never been let out but there were plenty of times he could have been kept and wasn’t since that release. Idiots hwo tell half the story are just that. Here’s just a blip about this now thankfully dead racist cop killer.

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    News accounts out of Arkansas offer a confusing — and, at times, conflicting — description of Clemmons’ criminal history and prison time.

    In 1990, Clemmons, then 18, was sentenced in Arkansas to 60 years in prison for burglary and theft of property, according to a news account in Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Newspaper stories describe a series of disturbing incidents involving Clemmons while he was being tried in Arkansas on various charges.

    During one trial, Clemmons was shackled in leg irons and seated next to a uniformed officer. The presiding judge ordered the extra security because he felt Clemmons had threatened him, court records show.

    Another time, Clemmons hid a hinge in his sock, and was accused of intending to use it as a weapon. Yet another time, Clemmons took a lock from a holding cell, and threw it toward the bailiff. He missed and instead hit Clemmons’ mother, who had come to bring him street clothes, according to records and published reports.

    On another occasion, Clemmons had reached for a guard’s pistol during transport to the courtroom.

    When Clemmons received the 60-year sentence, he was already serving 48 years on five felony convictions and facing up to 95 more years on charges of robbery, theft of property and possessing a handgun on school property. Records from Clemmons’ sentencing described him as 5-foot-7 and 108 pounds. The crimes were committed when he was 17.

    Clemmons served 11 years before being released.

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    A guttersnipe that doesn’t hide a fucking thing to apease “bitches” who don’t matter and are too afraid to throw their own background on a blog.

  • If anybody is a bitch, it has to be Mrs Salazar, Officer Friendly and “ect” and “thier” many personas, if the fool and any balls/huevos he would use his regular name, que no?

    But the bitch hides under the skirt of Mrs Salazar, maybe a menudo enema is what is needed for the sniping Chihuahua. yuck yuck

    My girlfriends Big Betty and Mustang Sally also agree.

  • Surefire – you are remarkable for digging the hole deeper each time you post. Your shit is shot through with delusional, asinine and self-serving accusations. One thing – if you don’t get the difference between the implications of serially using “bitch” and “fuck”, well…you just are who you are. When I posted about having a gun held to my head, your response was that the perp had “made me his bitch.” You reduce an armed robbery to an image of sexual domination – pretty fucking sick shit. That’s my point, but you’re a fucking pinhead so I wouldn’t expect you to get it.

  • Irony alert – “has the internet as their only outlet to dispense the vulgarity and misery of their pathetic life.”

  • “if the fool and any balls/huevos he would use his regular name, que no?”

    Exactly, because “Conchita” provides us with myriad details of your identity. How brave of you!

  • Surefire – you can go to hell with your whining. The Lakewood story was covered all over the place.

    I spoke about it’s lack of coverage here.

  • Talk about digging a hole. Guess others disagreed with the lunatic besides me.

    27.Celeste Fremon Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:19 am
    Surefire, I just happened in to read the end of this as I took a break from something else.

    I quite agree with you. I do think I missed the boat in not putting something on the blog about the officers ambushed in Lakewood. The murder of those cops was horrific and heartbreaking.

  • Not one bit. What “content” do you want me to address, asshole? So far as I can tell, the “content” of your initial comment here on Lakewood was that “liberals” were responsible for Clemmons being on the street, That was your initial take. That, of course, has proven “complicated”, at best. You’ve got nothing to back that up. But more to the point, that your first impulse in reaction to some police being shot is to rag on “liberals” shows you’re a sickass mutt, parading your resentments on what you claim is a “cop-haters” blog. That sort of defines pathetic, both in terms of your perception and the shit you post here in response. Now you’re whining that there was no comment here. If you read liberal blogs, you’d have actually read some defenses of Huckabee. He might have had a rationale in the Clemmons case – although Arkansas authorities were totally remiss in not giving the Seattle DA’s office what they needed to guarantee keeping Clemmons off the street. So much for all of those liberals in…uh….Arkansas. But Huckabee gave out pardons like candy and in the case of one killer it was to appease Clinton-haters and conspiracy theorists. So you can take your concern about this – which isn’t about cops but about your obsessive hate – and shove it up your sick ass. I do, in fact, hate withered souls such as yours. You’re a weasel and a moron. That you were a cop isn’t surprising, because as you know government programs are often poorly administered. Anything else I’ve “shuffled away” from ? I’d love to address the quality of your thought and emotion on display here further. Give me some “content” to hang another comment on that I might have missed.

  • Celeste’s comment is gracious, but she sidesteps the fact that your entire intent is to bait your delusional notion of “liberals.” And only a lunatic would assume that the horrific nature of the murders and, as I expressed, hate for the murder was “owned” by sorry excuses for rightwing lunacy such as yourself. Again, go fuck yourself. You’re a goddamed idiot with an almost total lack of self-awareness.

  • One more thing, we don’t expect guys like you to show up and save our ass in dicey situations…ever. The chances of that are less than 1%. We’re on our own when confronted with criminals and we know it. So don’t pat yourself on the back and call us “pussies”, “bitches” etc. The last time I saw cops dealing with what might have appeared to be a criminal in my neighborhood – but it turned out wasn’t – they were hiding in the bushes behind my house. That really inspires confidence.

  • Surefire’s first reference to Lakewood, on Dec. 2: “That this hasn’t been mentioned on this cop hater site is no surprise.”

  • In checking back, I was wrong about him saying a “liberal” had let Clemmons out on the street – that was another commenter – but he went straight to the “cop-hater site” rant, which is evidence of his twisted little soul and a reason why Celeste owes this wretched little man absolutely no apologies.

  • I’d also love it if Surefuckingfire would check my comments and correct his shit – because I expressed “total hate” for the cop-killer, then implies that “some” (in a post directed at attacking me in a very clumsy and dumb-ass rant that includes reference to castration) here would be “happy” if the killer had shot some more white people. Surefire is a disturbed little man. He’s probably the biggest guy in his Yoga class, but very small in the head and heart, where it matters most.

  • Spock – pan that Vulcan vision to deduce that BOTH commenters are increasingly hostile and Galactically rude.

  • Dear Mr. Sure Fire
    Bullying is an act of repeated aggressive behavior in order to intentionally hurt another person, physically or mentally. Bullying is characterized by an individual behaving in a certain way to gain power over another person. Stop trying to bully Celeste and Reg. They are not afraid of you. No one is afraid of you. You have become a caricature and you do not know it. There are a lot of fine men and women police officers out there who must surely wince and shudder at reading some of your comments and how you come on here. Your always sounding like an angry boss or a jealous petty co worker. You have absolutely no composure and thank God they took your batton away when you retired.

  • Celeste, interesting article, btw, about the prison industry. But just one question. Where do you think your hero Charlie Beck stands on the prison industrial complex? Think he’s against it? One one hand you’re linking to an article on the prison industrial complex, then in another writing a “yipeee!” article on the new police chief, as if he, or anyone who ran for the position, had or has any intention of doing anything to stop the corruption between private interests and our criminal justice system.

  • Back away from the keyboard Sr. Baboso, constanly stalking SureFire and Woody on the Internet is not healthy activity.

    Take a deep breath and say, Sure-Fire and Woody quit dancing in my head, Sure-Fire and Woody quit dancing in my head.

  • Oh wait I just read WTF comments, he is a xenophobe and a racist, He wants to kill all mexicans. He needs therapy, maybe aroma therapy would help, may I suggest the smell of menudo.

  • Who is that serial posting whacko? He must be related to Sure Fire and Woody. He does not scare me Celeste, D.Q., Ref or Rob Thomas.

  • The four previous comments are so funny, I giving the king of comedy crown to him, I am impressed with his humor and intellect. By the way Sure Fire and Woody are loco and mean.

  • Geez, I didn’t even have to accuse Reggie of hating cops, what he thinks of them is that they “hide in bushes” when faced with a bad guy. Nice of him to lay it out. Of course what Reg doesn’t do is say what he did for a living that showed he had even one ounce of courage in any aspect of his life. It doesn’t take courage to run someone over with your car.

    I’ve hid in bushes before (a more apt description is “concealed” myself cop hater), if the info needed to make a determination of what I was facing wasn’t given yet or I think someone might be armed. That’s usually a good idea.

    I drive Reg crazy enough for him to project simple minded bull shit as if I actualy said it. This is supposed to be a social justice type website. A Black suspect went after, not ony cops, but White cops. Read the articles on line and find out for yourself. If people cared enough, and apparently Celeste didn’t, a little research into his motivations, besides being nuts, are there to see. This was the biggest story in the nation, it deserved better than what it got here.

    As for some people here being happy about White cops getting cut down while sitting around, only a total retard would deny anti-white and anti-cop posts here so that’s supposed to be some type of stretch? Never said who it was and never pointed a finger at Reg, must have a problem with his concience.

    Not my problem.

  • Rob, I think Charlie Beck is very good on the issue of the need for reentry programs to help people stay out of prison, which is an important piece of that puzzle. But of course citywide stuff is really all he has any say over. What you’re talking about exists primarily on a state and federal level.

    Frankly, I think enlightened LAPD law enforcement folks like Beck, McDonnell, Diaz and a bunch of others, get it far better than most of our spineless state legislators.

  • The bully’s attempt to control or overpower people stems from his fear of being insignificant, while his know-it-all behavior has its roots in his dread of being wrong. To combat his own self-esteem issues, a bully usually treats people offhandedly, disrespectfully and dismissively.

  • Celeste, what “reentry” programs are you talking about, and how much teeth do they really have? Surely someone who studies “social injustices” as much as you do knows that without living wage jobs, reentry programs are a joke. So while you defend Beck in saying that he has no control over the state and federal prisons and their corruption, he does have control over the job market? Because nothing else is going to work, at least in regards to adults leaving prison. And I never said that Beck had any control over state and federal prisons, just said that he is in a position to to change some aspects of the criminal justice system he does have control over that lend to the prison industrial complex (like prioritizing arrests of gang members, even in areas that aren’t that violent), yet has no intentions of doing so as far as I know. What about that ridiculous top 10 gang list, where like half of the gangs listed aren’t even that violent compared to some of the more active gangs in the city? What is Beck planning to do to reexamine that? Do private prison contractors not donate money to local politicians to get stricter gang laws, and hence more prisoners? The prison industrial complex is a system with tentacles that most certainly reach down to the lowest levels of government and law enforcement. I agree with you that our state legislature is spineless. It’s just that Beck is spineless, too, and that’s the best case scenario. Worst case scenario is that he has an agenda that’s right along lines with the prison industry’s. I don’t believe he’d be where he’s at if he didn’t.

  • Surefire – you disingenous little man, please name whoever you were referring here who you actually believe would have been “happy” if Clemmons had shot more people – or anyone who you think was happy he shot those cops. You truly suck as a human being, playing that innuendo game of “some.” If you make an accusation that sick, especially in the context of a personal attack directed at me, name someone or shut your filthy mouth.

    As for personal courage, I know I’ve got more than the dope cops I’ve met. Those are some of the most cowardly fuckers I’ve ever been face-to-face with. I don’t have an occupation that requires “personal courage”, but I’ve been in enough situations unarmed where I’ve dealt with armed assholes to know that under that stress I’m not the type to wet my pants or cry, but can stay cool and use my head to deal with it. So go fuck yourself, you whining little bastard.

  • I don’t have an occupation that requires “personal courage”, but I’ve been in enough situations unarmed where I’ve dealt with armed assholes to know that under that stress I’m not the type to wet my pants or cry,
    ——

    If you say so. Not enough of it to say what you do but enough to make claims that any common thug would make is all I see.

    It’s obvious who could care less here and would have wanted more cops (“nazis”) dead. Figure the rest out on your own.

    As for shutting my mouth, typical of the liberals who want to shut down speech that angers them or they disagree with to make demands that 1) are meaningless and 2) they could never accomplish here or in person.

    Some old men need a glass of wine, their nightly enema and a little yoga time.

    I’m amazed how many times people here say …”I meant this, I was talking about this, I was referring to this”, just more b.s.

  • Robbie Says..And I never said that Beck had any control over state and federal prisons, just said that he is in a position to to change some aspects of the criminal justice system he does have control over that lend to the prison industrial complex (like prioritizing arrests of gang members, even in areas that aren’t that violent), yet has no intentions of doing so as far as I know.

    Active gangsters belong in the joint period. Robbie cares zero, zilch, nothing about citizens that get in the way of his gangster pals ability to ply their trade. The arrests of gangster scum should be a priority everywhere. Maybe Robbie would like areas “not that violent”, to be left alone till it’s harder for the cops to deal with the, now entrenched, gang scum that eventually turn the area violent. Proactive enforcement is better for the commom citizen who want some peace on their streets.

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