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Posting Later Today…. Meanwhile Torture (Again) – UPDATED

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UPDATE: Okay, there has been much news today, but now that I’ve waited this long, I’m going to post the relevant stories late tonight for tomorrow.

(You’ll be happy to know that Merlin the cat is no longer on the laptop. It helps that I outweigh him.)
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Just came off a killer deadline. Will post in a short while. Check back.

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MEANWHILE, THE LA TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD SAYS,
Release the Torture Photos.”

The release of dozens of new, graphic images of detainees being abused by their American captors would almost certainly reignite international rage. It could lead to an angry backlash in the Middle East and to more jihadi recruits, as the Abu Ghraib photographs did in 2004. It could even lead to new outbursts of violence at a moment when the Obama administration was finally hoping to put the last eight ugly years behind us.

But the truth must out. The Pentagon was right when it agreed last month to abide by a judge’s order and release the photos, in a case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. And President Obama was wrong Wednesday when he reversed that position.

It’s terrible that the president was faced with such an unpalatable choice, but it’s just one of the many awful results of the culture of torture and lawlessness put in place by the Bush administration. This country has already alienated allies and seen its moral standing crumble. Now, as we try to get to the bottom of what happened during those years, we have to acknowledge that doing so might put us in further danger…..

(More here.)

The photos are going to leak out anyway.

21 Comments

  • Chuck Schumer on ‘torture:

    And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this. I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if thousands of lives are at stake. Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all, would say, “Do what you have to do.” So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal.

  • Apparently it’s very easy to sit back in an armchair and say that torture must be used…

    Fuck Chuck Schumer. He’s drooling a “24” script here. Total idiocy.

  • Celeste, it looks as if your killer cat may have caught your mouse.

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    reg and liberals love Hollywood and think that all wisdom is expressed by activists at awards ceremonies, but just let one TV show express reality, and they go bonkers.

    We need shows for the left in which captured Islamic terrorists are treated so nicely that they return the kindness by giving up all of their secrets, and we save our nation. I guess some may consider that more realistic than “24.”

    Thankfully, wiser heads are prevailing at the moment.

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    Just what will be gained by releasing the pictures? The risks of releasing them far outweigh any perceived benefits. Can’t the left put our nation above their hate and agenda for just once?

  • “let one TV show express reality” – funniest line in reference to “24” I’ve ever read.

  • Well, since reg wants to take this over the internet, here was my response:

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    <blockquote?Well, let’s give the entire comment, jerk.

    “reg and liberals love Hollywood and think that all wisdom is expressed by activists at awards ceremonies, but just let one TV show express reality, and they go bonkers.

    We need shows for the left in which captured Islamic terrorists are treated so nicely that they return the kindness by giving up all of their secrets, and we save our nation. I guess some may consider that more realistic than ’24.’

    Thankfully, wiser heads are prevailing at the moment.”

    I didn’t say that the show was total reality. However, the reality part is that enemies talk when threatened or treated with actual or perceived harm. The unreality is that you can be nice to terrorists and they will love us.

    Liberals have been like this forever. They wanted to disarm the U.S. during the cold war to show the Soviet Union that they didn’t have to worry about our attacking them.

    Of course, thugs take advantage of weaknesses rather than become weaker themselves.

    reg must have been beaten up a lot at school when he was little, when he refused to fight back.

  • The intellectual implosion of this maniac appears complete.

    YOU MIGHT HAVE SIX BULLETS REG, BUT WOODY HAS NINE LIVES. YOUR GOOFY AND IRRITATING, BUT WOODROW IS ONE HEP KAT.

  • the reality is that you don’t have a fucking clue – not on history, not on policy and certainly not in your perverted little personal maelstrom.

    You’re an intellectually and morally challenged little creep insanely intent on showing your ass.

  • Cat missing? Check my tires.
    Cat need exercise? Throw it over the fence, to the dog.
    (:

  • Good evening.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4080010.stm
    ‘Killer cow’ arrested in Nigeria

    Police in Nigeria have detained a cow after it killed a bus driver.
    The stray animal attacked the man from behind as he was urinating on a motorway. “As the man fell down, the cow repeatedly hit him with its hooves and horns until he died,” spokesman Olubode Ojajuni told the AFP news agency.

    Mr Ojajuni said police were now seeking the cow’s owner who would be charged for failing to control the animal. Several bystanders were also injured in the incident before the horned African cow was arrested.

    “The cow went mad, ran into a bus driver and knocked him down. Efforts to revive him were fruitless,” Mr Ojajuni told Reuters news agency.

    “You know what it will take to arrest a mad cow?” one of the policemen taking part in the operation was later quoted as saying by a local newspaper.

    “We applied ingenuity and arrested the cow, which is now being detained at the station,” he said.

    There is no mention if the cow will seek counsel.
    That is all for now.

  • Artimus’ coverage of the “killer cow” from Nigeria is reminiscent of another killer cow from Nigeria a few yrs back. possibly this cow was certified rehabilitated by the Nigerian Dept of Corrections and released only to go horribly psychotic AGAIN? There certainly is more work to be done in the area of bovine corrections.

  • That cow had it’s second chance, sadly to say the next stop for this convicted criminal will be the slaughterhouse, where hung up by one of it’s hind legs, it’s carotid artery and jugular vein will be severed, draining blood, and causing it’s own death through exsanguination. Next step, it will be processed into meat foods, beef, veal, slim jims. With a skilled attorney, this brazen scofflaw could perhaps have gotten off lightly with a ‘mad cow disease’ defense?

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