This illustration is from the website of graphic artist John Mavroudis who, together with artist, Owen Smith, created the New Yorker Magazine cover design for last year’s 9/11 anniversary issue. The website shows the interesting visual evolution of the design. (The design above is one of those never used.)
And while we’re on the subject of war and remembrance, I still have one more Voices from the Road installment to post. (I’ll get to it later in the week, I promise.) When it’s posted, it will bring the number interviewed to 37 Americans of various political POVs. But Republican or Democrat, the one most common theme among all those with whom I spoke, is that they want out of the war in Iraq. Some brought it up after my recorder was already turned off. Still, they wanted to talk about it, to at least tell somebody how they felt. Yet, most seemed to have little confidence in their leaders ability or will—on either side of the fence—to accomplish that goal any time soon. Phantom limbs indeed.
It is a unsettling graphic, which shows where the twin towers once stood prior to 9/11.
It is also good to remember that al Qaeda has been killing Americans since 1993.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/07/07/GR2005070701332.html
In the 1993 World Trade Center bombing a bomb was detonated by al Qaeda financed Islamic terrorists in the underground parking garage below Tower One of the World Trade Center. The 1,500-lb urea nitrate-fuel oil device was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into Tower Two, bringing both towers down and killing 25,000 people.
How ironic that you would respect the 9-11 anniversary at the same time that you discuss pulling out of Iraq and giving way to terrorists. Think about it.
Celeste, we are a representative republic–not a democracy and not a nation of polls. It was set up that way because we have to depend on representatives whose business it is to learn the facts and to analyze them and who are given the time and money to do so. People along I-15 may be good folks, but they don’t have an ounce of knowledge about terrorism and Iraq and only know primarily the crap spoon-fed to them by Democrats and its media accomplices for the sake of Democratic political gains.
If you want to analyze the real problems with terrorism and Iraq, go ask people who understand it and don’t have a political ax to grind.
It’s going to take a major U.S. city to be destroyed before people wake up and know that you cannot trust Democrats for national security. Too bad that it will be too late for those who are murdered.
Looking forward to your Voices installment.
I said this elsewhere but I’ll repeat. I find it more than a little creepy that we’re devoting each and every 9/11 to memorials. I doubt seriously that, out side of Pearl Harbor – if there – there were any remberences of 12/7 in 1947. Course I was only one and living in Wilmington so maybe I missed it!
Then again in ’47 we had just come out of a decade and a half of depression and war and were going about the business of getting on with our lives. That is what is healthy, adjusted grownups do. Something that we’re obviously not.
Don’t worry rlc. Bill Clinton barely recognized Pearl Harbor Day when he was president. (Let’s not offend the Japanese.) So, with any luck, the next Democratic president can ignore September 11th. (Let’s not offend any Islamic radicals.)
When was the last time you rmembered Pearl Harbor? The Maine? The Alamo? Your name?
We better not remember the Alamo either, or God knows what they will call us.
What a shock; Woody, making a comment about Clinton, Iraq and terrorists. Just maybe the U.S. army occupancy in Iraq serves as motivation for more young Arabs to hate the occupying force. If the Iraqi army were in my back yard, I would probably build a few remote controlled road side bombs to blow a few of them up.
I’m still laughing about Woody telling me is he is NOT emotional and only uses logic and analysis. It appears Woody can’t go more than 2-3 comments without mentioning the Clinton’s. I wish I could afford Bill’s public appearance fees; I would love to take Bill over to Woody’s house for lunch. What would happen, would Woody faint, shoot Bill with his 12ga shotgun. Or maybe the two good ole boys from the south might go quail hunting and share a bottle of aged whiskey. Bill might give Woody a few tips on how to score with the ladies and not be so paranoid of democrats, and explain that we all basically want the same thing out of life.
Pokey said……..
It is a unsettling graphic, which shows where the twin towers once stood prior to 9/11.
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Either my computer monitor and graphics card combination sucks or my eyes are going bad. I stared at the picture many times before I noticed the outline of the towers. I knew I had to be missing something because Celeste told us what the picture represented. Maybe it’s just me, but that picture sucks.
Pokey; good comment about the Alamo. Fortunately illegal aliens have not been blamed for the 9-11 attacks; thank Allah that Ben Laden likes video cameras.
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Woody says ………….
Celeste, we are a representative republic–not a democracy and not a nation of polls. It was set up that way because we have to depend on representatives whose business it is to learn the facts and to analyze them and who are given the time and money to do so. People along I-15 may be good folks, but they don’t have an ounce of knowledge about terrorism and Iraq and only know primarily the crap spoon-fed to them by Democrats and its media accomplices for the sake of Democratic political gains. If you want to analyze the real problems with terrorism and Iraq, go ask people who understand it and don’t have a political ax to grind.
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Woody,
That was definitely a profound, logical and analytical comment about the war in Iraq. These experts are the type of people we need to believe, NOT left wing liberals like Celeste. We should definitely listen to people who are paid to understand the war in Iraq and not just make those spoon-fed comments by any political party.
Now let us see what the retired generals who can now speak freely and openly and really know the subject of war, Iraq and terrorists have to say about the war in Iraq and Bush.
General William E. Odom
General Robert Gard
General John Batiste
General Paul D. Eaton
General Wesley Clark
Listening to the generals
Woody says ………….
Celeste, we are a representative republic–not a democracy and not a nation of polls. It was set up that way because we have to depend on representatives whose business it is to learn the facts and to analyze them and who are given the time and money to do so. People along I-15 may be good folks, but they don’t have an ounce of knowledge about terrorism and Iraq and only know primarily the crap spoon-fed to them by Democrats and its media accomplices for the sake of Democratic political gains. If you want to analyze the real problems with terrorism and Iraq, go ask people who understand it and don’t have a political ax to grind.
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Woody,
That was definitely a profound, logical and analytical comment about the war in Iraq. These experts are the type of people we need to believe, NOT left wing liberals like Celeste. We should definitely listen to people who are paid to understand the war in Iraq and not just make those spoon-fed comments by any political party.
Now let us see what the retired generals who can now speak freely and openly and really know the subject of war, Iraq and terrorists have to say about the war in Iraq and Bush.
General William E. Odom
General Robert Gard
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Woody says ………….
Celeste, we are a representative republic–not a democracy and not a nation of polls. It was set up that way because we have to depend on representatives whose business it is to learn the facts and to analyze them and who are given the time and money to do so. People along I-15 may be good folks, but they don’t have an ounce of knowledge about terrorism and Iraq and only know primarily the crap spoon-fed to them by Democrats and its media accomplices for the sake of Democratic political gains. If you want to analyze the real problems with terrorism and Iraq, go ask people who understand it and don’t have a political ax to grind.
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Woody,
That was definitely a profound, logical and analytical comment about the war in Iraq. These experts are the type of people we need to believe, NOT left wing liberals like Celeste. We should definitely listen to people who are paid to understand the war in Iraq and not just make those spoon-fed comments by any political party.
Now let us see what the retired generals who can now speak freely and openly and really know the subject of war, Iraq and terrorists have to say about the war in Iraq and Bush.
General William E. Odom
Now, “friend,” just who knows more about what is going on in Iraq…the general who is currently responsible over there or people who haven’t been there in years? My friends have enough sense to know the answer.
LAR, I would get along fine with Bill Clinton personally as long as he didn’t mention politics or lie to me. Well, there goes any possibilities of our friendship.
rlc, I do remember and think about Pearl Harbor Day every year. It threw my dad into the war. I remember the Alamo when I visit it and when I watch “Pee Wee’s Big Adventure.”
Now, “friend,†just who knows more about what is going on in Iraq…the general who is currently responsible over there or people who haven’t been there in years?
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Oh yes it was so many years ago when Generals Tommy Franks, John P. Abizaid and Eric K. Shinseki were in charge of the war in Iraq ,these “ancient†generals whose opinions the White House and Rumsfeld dismissed and even vilified. I think Iraq was known as Mesopotamia when these generals were there years ago, is that right?
Gen. Eric K. Shinseki
General Odom, Gard and Bastiste also need to properly pronounce “Mes-o-po-ta-mi-a” not “Iraq”
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To ric — I’m a former New Yorker, and used to go to the World Trade Towers rest. to celebrate special occasions, take out of town guests to admire the amazing view — hard to explain what a “pride of New York” it was, like the Eifel Tower but with offices and restaurant. When it went down, I could picture in my mind the details of that large room with its 360 view that made you feel you had all of New York at your disposal, could see the Statue of Liberty, everything. A feeling of space in a crowded city, too. The collapse brought to mind the menu, and most of all, the ladies’ lounge w/ free perfumes and hand lotions, kind of like you’ll find at a very posh spa. And of course, all the waiters I’d come to know by face, a few by name.
Plus, my ex-husband wasn’t working in that building at that moment by sheer luck — half his company was in a different location.
What did frustrate me on that day here in L A, where we went about trying to act “normal” was how little people in L A seemed to care. However, the family (two gay guys and a kid) in a house just three doors down went down in that plane and there was a makeshift shrine that sprouted up, with saddest of all, teddy bears and kids’ toys. It really is Pearl Harbor but worse, because then, at least we knew WHO the enemy was, and they had a code of honor and were out in the open.
Dear ex-friend, a general who has retired and been absent from the field cannot come close to knowing the current status in a changing battle. In fact, if the generals whom you mention were still active, I’m sure that they would be insulted and outraged by some other retired generals playing to the press and to the Democrats and telling them how to do their jobs.
It’s almost as bad as former President Carter, having been out of office for decades and pretending to have his wits about him, telling the rest of the world that U.S. policies and actions are always wrong.
Woody,
I thought you told Celeste to listen to people who are experienced in War and Terrorism, with your new criteria I should only believe Bush and the current general working under Bush and nobody else. Might the current general be biased toward his commander in chief? The opposite of “an ax to grind�
I guess you don’t remember that these generals (Tommy Franks, John P. Abizaid and Eric K. Shinseki) were the same generals who told Bush and Rumsfeld they could not establish control in Iraq with the troops the White House sent to Iraq . Oh yes it was soooooo many years ago, ALL these generals who are freely speaking on the war in Iraq , all know absolutely nothing about the war in Iraq ooops Mesopotamia.
Let me use logic to analyze the subject of war in Iraq “Do I believe Woody, or a bunch of generals�