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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding what global warming alarmists used to call &quot;global warming&quot; but now call &quot;climate change,&quot; please check out this site, &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climatedepot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Depot&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, along with some of its recommended reading links.  Today&#039;s headline:  &lt;b&gt;Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About &#039;Global Governance&#039;&lt;/b&gt;  ...Also, this:  &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=37AE6E96-802A-23AD-4C8A-EDF6D8150789&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gore&#039;s claim of 10 year climate &#039;tipping point&#039; was already made by the UN -- in 1989!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  It &lt;i&gt;makes you go hmmm&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding what global warming alarmists used to call &#8220;global warming&#8221; but now call &#8220;climate change,&#8221; please check out this site, <b><a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/" rel="nofollow">Climate Depot</a></b>, along with some of its recommended reading links.  Today&#8217;s headline:  <b>Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About &#8216;Global Governance&#8217;</b>  &#8230;Also, this:  <b><a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=37AE6E96-802A-23AD-4C8A-EDF6D8150789" rel="nofollow">Gore&#8217;s claim of 10 year climate &#8216;tipping point&#8217; was already made by the UN &#8212; in 1989!</a></b>  It <i>makes you go hmmm</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mavis, your link is to work based on the &lt;b&gt;assumption&lt;/b&gt; of warming. There are tens of thousands of scientific papers analyzing the what if&#039;s of warming - none of which say anything about the likelihood of it actually happening.

In fact, today if you want a better chance at funding your science project, link it to global warming. Hence there are over 1000 published papers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/2009/03/15/climate-change-gold-mine-for-all-kinds-of-scientists/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tying surfing to global warming&lt;/a&gt;! 

Your tax money at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mavis, your link is to work based on the <b>assumption</b> of warming. There are tens of thousands of scientific papers analyzing the what if&#8217;s of warming &#8211; none of which say anything about the likelihood of it actually happening.</p>
<p>In fact, today if you want a better chance at funding your science project, link it to global warming. Hence there are over 1000 published papers <a href="http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/2009/03/15/climate-change-gold-mine-for-all-kinds-of-scientists/" rel="nofollow">tying surfing to global warming</a>! </p>
<p>Your tax money at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/uncategorized/2009/admin/a-tale-of-greenpeace-climbers-obama-mount-rushmore/comment-page-1/#comment-160187</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mavis, just so that you know, global warming has absolutely nothing to do with tornadoes.  Nothing.  Look it up.  Your source has been found wrong.

Also, hurricanes are down.  We used to rely every year on hurricanes to refill our lakes, but there hasn&#039;t been enough activity in recent years.

Note that James Hansen, NASA&#039;s global warming cheerleader and pal to Al Gore, is a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=james+hansen+crackpot&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;complete nut case&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, compares global warming to the Holocaust, admits that the true goal of the global warming frenzy is redistribution of wealth, and wants to criminally prosecute energy executives and skeptics for &quot;high crimes against humanity and nature.&quot;

But, you really can&#039;t judge climate changes over just a few years and with simple observations, like birds flew south later last winter.  It takes hundreds and thousands of years to determine climate changes.  Today&#039;s models projecting changes are severely flawed and biased towards desired results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mavis, just so that you know, global warming has absolutely nothing to do with tornadoes.  Nothing.  Look it up.  Your source has been found wrong.</p>
<p>Also, hurricanes are down.  We used to rely every year on hurricanes to refill our lakes, but there hasn&#8217;t been enough activity in recent years.</p>
<p>Note that James Hansen, NASA&#8217;s global warming cheerleader and pal to Al Gore, is a <b><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=james+hansen+crackpot&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=" rel="nofollow">complete nut case</a></b>, compares global warming to the Holocaust, admits that the true goal of the global warming frenzy is redistribution of wealth, and wants to criminally prosecute energy executives and skeptics for &#8220;high crimes against humanity and nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, you really can&#8217;t judge climate changes over just a few years and with simple observations, like birds flew south later last winter.  It takes hundreds and thousands of years to determine climate changes.  Today&#8217;s models projecting changes are severely flawed and biased towards desired results.</p>
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		<title>By: Gava Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gava Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all three of you. I shall continue to study this, and keep an eye to the sky. There&#039;s no person spookier than a transplanted Californian trying to acclimate to OZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all three of you. I shall continue to study this, and keep an eye to the sky. There&#8217;s no person spookier than a transplanted Californian trying to acclimate to OZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Mavis Beacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavis Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: storms.  NASA is concerned: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070830105911.htm

And hurricanes and typhoons have gotten worse; scientists just aren&#039;t totally sure why.  One possibility is that sea temperatures have risen more quickly than atmospheric temperatures - a feature of global warming.  http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewarming.html

Though from what I can tell, John Moore is correct about tornadoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: storms.  NASA is concerned: <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070830105911.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070830105911.htm</a></p>
<p>And hurricanes and typhoons have gotten worse; scientists just aren&#8217;t totally sure why.  One possibility is that sea temperatures have risen more quickly than atmospheric temperatures &#8211; a feature of global warming.  <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewarming.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewarming.html</a></p>
<p>Though from what I can tell, John Moore is correct about tornadoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gava Joe, changes in climate are natural and cyclical, and &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/scientists-discover-sun-does-affect-earths-climate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;solar activity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and space weather, along with the Earth&#039;s variable orbit, are the biggest culprits, as has been the case for hundreds of millions of years.  

But, the FACT is that temperatures have been dropping recently  rather than rising.  Is that why the greenies renamed global warming alarms to climate change?

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1799/Global-temperatures-have-plunged-74degF-since-Gore-released-An-Inconvenient-Truth&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Depot: Global Temperatures Have Plunged .74Â°F Since Gore Released â€˜An Inconvenient Truthâ€™&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 

How do you feel about the U.S. substantially increasing our energy costs and costing jobs with this cap-and-trade when India and China, the biggest polluters, aren&#039;t going along?  Do you even understand what that bill will actually do?

Do you really expect the proposed changes to actually have any meaningful effect?

Al Gore said that &quot;climate realists&quot; (deniers to you) present a threat as great as was the threat from Nazi Germany.  Do you agree?  Do you know how many billions of dollars he stands to make on &quot;carbon trading?&quot; 

Did you know how the IPCC study was rejected by a majority of participating scientists.  In fact, fewer than ten actually signed off on the entire study. 

Paul Krugman said that the &quot;deniers&quot; are guilty of &quot;treason -- treason against the planet&quot;  Do you agree with that?

Does it bother you that a government study refuting global warming claims was blocked?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Less than two weeks before the (EPA) formally submitted its pro-regulation recommendation to the White House, &lt;b&gt;an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty &quot;decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

The EPA official, Al McGartland, said in an e-mail message to a staff researcher on March 17: &quot;The administrator and the administration has decided to move forwardâ€¦ and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision.&quot; 

The e-mail correspondence raises questions about political interference in what was supposed to be a independent review process inside a federal agency â€” and echoes criticisms of the EPA under the Bush administration, which was accused of suppressing a pro-climate change document. 

Alan Carlin, the primary author of the 98-page EPA report, told CBSNews.com in a telephone interview on Friday that his boss, McGartland, was being pressured himself. &quot;It was his view that he either lost his job or he got me working on something else,&quot; Carlin said. &quot;That was obviously coming from higher levels.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Don&#039;t you think that we need an honest and OPEN debate on the facts before we launch into a major transfer of money from the private sector to government? 

Did you know that global warming alarmists do not follow scientific protocol for releasing data for open peer review and have not proved their theories or models according to scientific method?  Economic conflicts of interests, politics, and/or left-wing ideology rule conclusions of their studies.

Is taxing our energy to extremes and increading prices more important to our future than medical research and education?  What are your priorities, because you can&#039;t have everything?

Please open your mind to learn about this yourself rather than jump on an out-of-control bandwagon that will hurt you and our nation&#039;s future.

BTW, hurricanes are down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gava Joe, changes in climate are natural and cyclical, and <b><a href="http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/scientists-discover-sun-does-affect-earths-climate" rel="nofollow">solar activity</a></b> and space weather, along with the Earth&#8217;s variable orbit, are the biggest culprits, as has been the case for hundreds of millions of years.  </p>
<p>But, the FACT is that temperatures have been dropping recently  rather than rising.  Is that why the greenies renamed global warming alarms to climate change?</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1799/Global-temperatures-have-plunged-74degF-since-Gore-released-An-Inconvenient-Truth" rel="nofollow">Climate Depot: Global Temperatures Have Plunged .74Â°F Since Gore Released â€˜An Inconvenient Truthâ€™</a></b> </p>
<p>How do you feel about the U.S. substantially increasing our energy costs and costing jobs with this cap-and-trade when India and China, the biggest polluters, aren&#8217;t going along?  Do you even understand what that bill will actually do?</p>
<p>Do you really expect the proposed changes to actually have any meaningful effect?</p>
<p>Al Gore said that &#8220;climate realists&#8221; (deniers to you) present a threat as great as was the threat from Nazi Germany.  Do you agree?  Do you know how many billions of dollars he stands to make on &#8220;carbon trading?&#8221; </p>
<p>Did you know how the IPCC study was rejected by a majority of participating scientists.  In fact, fewer than ten actually signed off on the entire study. </p>
<p>Paul Krugman said that the &#8220;deniers&#8221; are guilty of &#8220;treason &#8212; treason against the planet&#8221;  Do you agree with that?</p>
<p>Does it bother you that a government study refuting global warming claims was blocked?</p>
<blockquote><p>Less than two weeks before the (EPA) formally submitted its pro-regulation recommendation to the White House, <b>an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty &#8220;decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data.&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>The EPA official, Al McGartland, said in an e-mail message to a staff researcher on March 17: &#8220;The administrator and the administration has decided to move forwardâ€¦ and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision.&#8221; </p>
<p>The e-mail correspondence raises questions about political interference in what was supposed to be a independent review process inside a federal agency â€” and echoes criticisms of the EPA under the Bush administration, which was accused of suppressing a pro-climate change document. </p>
<p>Alan Carlin, the primary author of the 98-page EPA report, told CBSNews.com in a telephone interview on Friday that his boss, McGartland, was being pressured himself. &#8220;It was his view that he either lost his job or he got me working on something else,&#8221; Carlin said. &#8220;That was obviously coming from higher levels.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that we need an honest and OPEN debate on the facts before we launch into a major transfer of money from the private sector to government? </p>
<p>Did you know that global warming alarmists do not follow scientific protocol for releasing data for open peer review and have not proved their theories or models according to scientific method?  Economic conflicts of interests, politics, and/or left-wing ideology rule conclusions of their studies.</p>
<p>Is taxing our energy to extremes and increading prices more important to our future than medical research and education?  What are your priorities, because you can&#8217;t have everything?</p>
<p>Please open your mind to learn about this yourself rather than jump on an out-of-control bandwagon that will hurt you and our nation&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>BTW, hurricanes are down.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pile.

I&#039;ll be impressed with Greenpeace when they take positive actions to support nuclear power.

Until then, the remain a bunch of adventure seeking hypocritical fools. They aren&#039;t interested in solutions that work, only solutions that hurt mankind, so that everyone will be forced to partake in the penance these fools feel is so strongly due. 

And Gaya Joe, my avocation is storm chasing. That means I spend a lot of time reading the literature and the email lists of the scientists who study those phenomena.  NOBODY has any evidence that global warming has had ANY effect on violent storms. NONE. ZERO. NADA. ZIP. For that matter, are you aware that the earth has been cooling since 1998? Are you aware that it was warmer during the middle ages? That there was a little ice age in the 17th century?

Global Warming hysteria simply a matter of mis-perception, propaganda and political agendas. To many, it is a lousy substitute for a religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pile.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be impressed with Greenpeace when they take positive actions to support nuclear power.</p>
<p>Until then, the remain a bunch of adventure seeking hypocritical fools. They aren&#8217;t interested in solutions that work, only solutions that hurt mankind, so that everyone will be forced to partake in the penance these fools feel is so strongly due. </p>
<p>And Gaya Joe, my avocation is storm chasing. That means I spend a lot of time reading the literature and the email lists of the scientists who study those phenomena.  NOBODY has any evidence that global warming has had ANY effect on violent storms. NONE. ZERO. NADA. ZIP. For that matter, are you aware that the earth has been cooling since 1998? Are you aware that it was warmer during the middle ages? That there was a little ice age in the 17th century?</p>
<p>Global Warming hysteria simply a matter of mis-perception, propaganda and political agendas. To many, it is a lousy substitute for a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gava Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gava Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on Woody. If not man who the Hell spurned this dynamic, this global weather anomaly that is transpiring now as we speak? I&#039;ve always admired your &quot;naysayer&#039;s take&quot; on most any topic that arises, but this is over the top/out of the box , and preposterous for even you. So for the sake of Celeste&#039;s readers please kind sir, give us your illuminating, albeit probably skewed view of just what caused this calamity. I detest taxation without verification as much as the next working stiff, but please don&#039;t segue to that exit when you give your reasons for what&#039;s causing these heat waves, droughts, and violent storms. I live directly in the center of Tornado Alley in the Midwest and have discussed the topic with many of the old timers here and they&#039;re as taken by the changes of late as the rest of the country. Apparently all but you, my friend. So please elaborate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on Woody. If not man who the Hell spurned this dynamic, this global weather anomaly that is transpiring now as we speak? I&#8217;ve always admired your &#8220;naysayer&#8217;s take&#8221; on most any topic that arises, but this is over the top/out of the box , and preposterous for even you. So for the sake of Celeste&#8217;s readers please kind sir, give us your illuminating, albeit probably skewed view of just what caused this calamity. I detest taxation without verification as much as the next working stiff, but please don&#8217;t segue to that exit when you give your reasons for what&#8217;s causing these heat waves, droughts, and violent storms. I live directly in the center of Tornado Alley in the Midwest and have discussed the topic with many of the old timers here and they&#8217;re as taken by the changes of late as the rest of the country. Apparently all but you, my friend. So please elaborate.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.  People who accept man-made global warming as truth and a threat are uneducated, and a government that pushes it as truth and a threat is lying and wants to put huge, new taxes on the public.

&quot;The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it&quot; -- H L Mencken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.  People who accept man-made global warming as truth and a threat are uneducated, and a government that pushes it as truth and a threat is lying and wants to put huge, new taxes on the public.</p>
<p>&#8220;The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it&#8221; &#8212; H L Mencken</p>
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