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		<title>By: Sure Fire</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/prison/2009/admin/the-invisible-new-face-of-american-prisons/comment-page-2/#comment-178301</link>
		<dc:creator>Sure Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie Says..And I never said that Beck had any control over state and federal prisons, just said that he is in a position to to change some aspects of the criminal justice system he does have control over that lend to the prison industrial complex (like prioritizing arrests of gang members, even in areas that arenâ€™t that violent), yet has no intentions of doing so as far as I know. 

Active gangsters belong in the joint period. Robbie cares zero, zilch, nothing about citizens that get in the way of his gangster pals ability to ply their trade. The arrests of gangster scum should be a priority everywhere. Maybe Robbie would like areas &quot;not that violent&quot;, to be left alone till it&#039;s harder for the cops to deal with the, now entrenched, gang scum that eventually turn the area violent.  Proactive enforcement is better for the commom citizen who want some peace on their streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie Says..And I never said that Beck had any control over state and federal prisons, just said that he is in a position to to change some aspects of the criminal justice system he does have control over that lend to the prison industrial complex (like prioritizing arrests of gang members, even in areas that arenâ€™t that violent), yet has no intentions of doing so as far as I know. </p>
<p>Active gangsters belong in the joint period. Robbie cares zero, zilch, nothing about citizens that get in the way of his gangster pals ability to ply their trade. The arrests of gangster scum should be a priority everywhere. Maybe Robbie would like areas &#8220;not that violent&#8221;, to be left alone till it&#8217;s harder for the cops to deal with the, now entrenched, gang scum that eventually turn the area violent.  Proactive enforcement is better for the commom citizen who want some peace on their streets.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, do I not give a shit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, do I not give a shit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sure Fire</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/prison/2009/admin/the-invisible-new-face-of-american-prisons/comment-page-2/#comment-178295</link>
		<dc:creator>Sure Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donâ€™t have an occupation that requires â€œpersonal courageâ€, but Iâ€™ve been in enough situations unarmed where Iâ€™ve dealt with armed assholes to know that under that stress Iâ€™m not the type to wet my pants or cry,
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If you say so. Not enough of it to say what you do but enough to make claims that any common thug would make is all I see.

It&#039;s obvious who could care less here and would have wanted more cops (&quot;nazis&quot;) dead. Figure the rest out on your own.

As for shutting my mouth, typical of the liberals who want to shut down speech that angers them or they disagree with to make demands that 1) are meaningless and 2) they could never accomplish here or in person.

Some old men need a glass of wine, their nightly enema and a little yoga time.

I&#039;m amazed how many times people here say ...&quot;I meant this, I was talking about this, I was referring to this&quot;, just more b.s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donâ€™t have an occupation that requires â€œpersonal courageâ€, but Iâ€™ve been in enough situations unarmed where Iâ€™ve dealt with armed assholes to know that under that stress Iâ€™m not the type to wet my pants or cry,<br />
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<p>If you say so. Not enough of it to say what you do but enough to make claims that any common thug would make is all I see.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious who could care less here and would have wanted more cops (&#8220;nazis&#8221;) dead. Figure the rest out on your own.</p>
<p>As for shutting my mouth, typical of the liberals who want to shut down speech that angers them or they disagree with to make demands that 1) are meaningless and 2) they could never accomplish here or in person.</p>
<p>Some old men need a glass of wine, their nightly enema and a little yoga time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed how many times people here say &#8230;&#8221;I meant this, I was talking about this, I was referring to this&#8221;, just more b.s.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surefire - you disingenous little man, please name whoever you were referring here who you actually believe would have been &quot;happy&quot; if Clemmons had shot more people - or anyone who you think was happy he shot those cops.  You truly suck as a human being, playing that innuendo game of &quot;some.&quot;   If you make an accusation that sick, especially in the context of a personal attack directed at me, name someone or shut your filthy mouth. 


As for personal courage, I know I&#039;ve got more than the dope cops I&#039;ve met.  Those are some of the most cowardly fuckers I&#039;ve ever been face-to-face with.  I don&#039;t have an occupation that requires &quot;personal courage&quot;, but I&#039;ve been in enough situations unarmed where I&#039;ve dealt with armed assholes to know that under that stress I&#039;m not the type to wet my pants or cry, but can stay cool and use my head to deal with it.  So go fuck yourself, you whining little bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surefire &#8211; you disingenous little man, please name whoever you were referring here who you actually believe would have been &#8220;happy&#8221; if Clemmons had shot more people &#8211; or anyone who you think was happy he shot those cops.  You truly suck as a human being, playing that innuendo game of &#8220;some.&#8221;   If you make an accusation that sick, especially in the context of a personal attack directed at me, name someone or shut your filthy mouth. </p>
<p>As for personal courage, I know I&#8217;ve got more than the dope cops I&#8217;ve met.  Those are some of the most cowardly fuckers I&#8217;ve ever been face-to-face with.  I don&#8217;t have an occupation that requires &#8220;personal courage&#8221;, but I&#8217;ve been in enough situations unarmed where I&#8217;ve dealt with armed assholes to know that under that stress I&#8217;m not the type to wet my pants or cry, but can stay cool and use my head to deal with it.  So go fuck yourself, you whining little bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: RobThomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobThomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste, what &quot;reentry&quot; programs are you talking about, and how much teeth do they really have?  Surely someone who studies &quot;social injustices&quot; as much as you do knows that without living wage jobs, reentry programs are a joke.  So while you defend Beck in saying that he has no control over the state and federal prisons and their corruption, he does have control over the job market?  Because nothing else is going to work, at least in regards to adults leaving prison.  And I never said that Beck had any control over state and federal prisons, just said that he is in a position to to change some aspects of the criminal justice system he does have control over that lend to the prison industrial complex (like prioritizing arrests of gang members, even in areas that aren&#039;t that violent), yet has no intentions of doing so as far as I know.  What about that ridiculous top 10 gang list, where like half of the gangs listed aren&#039;t even that violent compared to some of the more active gangs in the city?  What is Beck planning to do to reexamine that?  Do private prison contractors not donate money to local politicians to get stricter gang laws, and hence more prisoners?   The prison industrial complex is a system with tentacles that most certainly reach down to the lowest levels of government and law enforcement.  I agree with you that our state legislature is spineless.  It&#039;s just that Beck is spineless, too, and that&#039;s the best case scenario.  Worst case scenario is that he has an agenda that&#039;s right along lines with the prison industry&#039;s.  I don&#039;t believe he&#039;d be where he&#039;s at if he didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste, what &#8220;reentry&#8221; programs are you talking about, and how much teeth do they really have?  Surely someone who studies &#8220;social injustices&#8221; as much as you do knows that without living wage jobs, reentry programs are a joke.  So while you defend Beck in saying that he has no control over the state and federal prisons and their corruption, he does have control over the job market?  Because nothing else is going to work, at least in regards to adults leaving prison.  And I never said that Beck had any control over state and federal prisons, just said that he is in a position to to change some aspects of the criminal justice system he does have control over that lend to the prison industrial complex (like prioritizing arrests of gang members, even in areas that aren&#8217;t that violent), yet has no intentions of doing so as far as I know.  What about that ridiculous top 10 gang list, where like half of the gangs listed aren&#8217;t even that violent compared to some of the more active gangs in the city?  What is Beck planning to do to reexamine that?  Do private prison contractors not donate money to local politicians to get stricter gang laws, and hence more prisoners?   The prison industrial complex is a system with tentacles that most certainly reach down to the lowest levels of government and law enforcement.  I agree with you that our state legislature is spineless.  It&#8217;s just that Beck is spineless, too, and that&#8217;s the best case scenario.  Worst case scenario is that he has an agenda that&#8217;s right along lines with the prison industry&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;d be where he&#8217;s at if he didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Lesko</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Lesko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know bullies who became police officers. I know bully victims who wish to become cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know bullies who became police officers. I know bully victims who wish to become cops.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Lesko</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Lesko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bullyâ€™s attempt to control or overpower people stems from his fear of being insignificant, while his know-it-all behavior has its roots in his dread of being wrong. To combat his own self-esteem issues, a bully usually treats people offhandedly, disrespectfully and dismissively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bullyâ€™s attempt to control or overpower people stems from his fear of being insignificant, while his know-it-all behavior has its roots in his dread of being wrong. To combat his own self-esteem issues, a bully usually treats people offhandedly, disrespectfully and dismissively.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I think Charlie Beck is very good on the issue of the need for reentry programs to help people stay out of prison, which is an important piece of that puzzle. But of course citywide stuff is really all he has any say over.  What you&#039;re talking about exists primarily on a state and federal level.

Frankly, I think enlightened  LAPD law enforcement folks like Beck, McDonnell, Diaz and a bunch of others, get it far better than most of our spineless state legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, I think Charlie Beck is very good on the issue of the need for reentry programs to help people stay out of prison, which is an important piece of that puzzle. But of course citywide stuff is really all he has any say over.  What you&#8217;re talking about exists primarily on a state and federal level.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think enlightened  LAPD law enforcement folks like Beck, McDonnell, Diaz and a bunch of others, get it far better than most of our spineless state legislators.</p>
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		<title>By: Sure Fire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sure Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last thing I am is a bully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last thing I am is a bully.</p>
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		<title>By: Sure Fire</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/prison/2009/admin/the-invisible-new-face-of-american-prisons/comment-page-2/#comment-178265</link>
		<dc:creator>Sure Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, I didn&#039;t even have to accuse Reggie of hating cops, what he thinks of them is that they &quot;hide in bushes&quot; when faced with a bad guy. Nice of him to lay it out. Of course what Reg doesn&#039;t do is say what he did for a living that showed he had even one ounce of courage in any aspect of his life. It doesn&#039;t take courage to run someone over with your car.

I&#039;ve hid in bushes before (a more apt description is &quot;concealed&quot; myself cop hater), if the info needed to make a determination of what I was facing wasn&#039;t given yet or I think someone might be armed. That&#039;s usually a good idea.

I drive Reg crazy enough for him to project simple minded bull shit as if I actualy said it. This is supposed to be a social justice type website. A Black suspect went after, not ony cops, but White cops. Read the articles on line and find out for yourself. If people cared enough, and apparently Celeste didn&#039;t, a little research into his motivations, besides being nuts, are there to see. This was the biggest story in the nation, it deserved better than what it got here.

As for some people here being happy about White cops getting cut down while sitting around, only a total retard would deny anti-white and anti-cop posts here so that&#039;s supposed to be some type of stretch? Never said who it was and never pointed a finger at Reg, must have a problem with his concience.

Not my problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, I didn&#8217;t even have to accuse Reggie of hating cops, what he thinks of them is that they &#8220;hide in bushes&#8221; when faced with a bad guy. Nice of him to lay it out. Of course what Reg doesn&#8217;t do is say what he did for a living that showed he had even one ounce of courage in any aspect of his life. It doesn&#8217;t take courage to run someone over with your car.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve hid in bushes before (a more apt description is &#8220;concealed&#8221; myself cop hater), if the info needed to make a determination of what I was facing wasn&#8217;t given yet or I think someone might be armed. That&#8217;s usually a good idea.</p>
<p>I drive Reg crazy enough for him to project simple minded bull shit as if I actualy said it. This is supposed to be a social justice type website. A Black suspect went after, not ony cops, but White cops. Read the articles on line and find out for yourself. If people cared enough, and apparently Celeste didn&#8217;t, a little research into his motivations, besides being nuts, are there to see. This was the biggest story in the nation, it deserved better than what it got here.</p>
<p>As for some people here being happy about White cops getting cut down while sitting around, only a total retard would deny anti-white and anti-cop posts here so that&#8217;s supposed to be some type of stretch? Never said who it was and never pointed a finger at Reg, must have a problem with his concience.</p>
<p>Not my problem.</p>
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