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		<title>By: NoName</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoName</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about releasing those in need of treatment for drug use and locking up the politicians that are everyday criminals with lame ass excuses when they buy a whore or accept a bribe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about releasing those in need of treatment for drug use and locking up the politicians that are everyday criminals with lame ass excuses when they buy a whore or accept a bribe!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about looking into the cases of some of innocent locked up in prison and releasing them. We better all believe that there are some in there wrongfully convicted. A lot of innocent people are sent to prison because police are known to get false confessions from jail house informants for deals. I should know this very well my husband was convicted that way. But we are not bitter because God will take care of all of this. So just keep praying all the truth of all  the dirt in our justice system will one day come out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about looking into the cases of some of innocent locked up in prison and releasing them. We better all believe that there are some in there wrongfully convicted. A lot of innocent people are sent to prison because police are known to get false confessions from jail house informants for deals. I should know this very well my husband was convicted that way. But we are not bitter because God will take care of all of this. So just keep praying all the truth of all  the dirt in our justice system will one day come out.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. John F. Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt. John F. Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If more of the important CDCR people would &quot;Visit&quot; their be- loved prisons they wouuld get agood prospective of how these prisoners act. Just look at them, watch them with people on the outside,watch the courtisy given to other inmates, to visitors in general. There hygene and &quot;drab uniforms&quot; sparkel better than the US Navy that also wears the same outfit!I have visited four Cal State prisons and have seen conditions grow worse within them,from plain blue shirt and jeans to &quot;Plastered Up&quot;  CDC(R) Prisoner stenciled out fits! What the hell is wrong with CDC people anyway....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If more of the important CDCR people would &#8220;Visit&#8221; their be- loved prisons they wouuld get agood prospective of how these prisoners act. Just look at them, watch them with people on the outside,watch the courtisy given to other inmates, to visitors in general. There hygene and &#8220;drab uniforms&#8221; sparkel better than the US Navy that also wears the same outfit!I have visited four Cal State prisons and have seen conditions grow worse within them,from plain blue shirt and jeans to &#8220;Plastered Up&#8221;  CDC(R) Prisoner stenciled out fits! What the hell is wrong with CDC people anyway&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DinahBordum</title>
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		<dc:creator>DinahBordum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:26 am

DB: I hear valid points from both sides but no one can seem to answer this question for me, what is the big difference between releasing parole violators now as apposed to a couple months from now when their scheduled to be released?

What’s the difference between letting lake water through the dam slowly or opening up the flood gates and letting it out all at once?

Who said they would open the flood gates, when has California ever done anything in a timely manner, there&#039;s going to mountains of paperwork and they&#039;ll come out just like they always do just a couple months earlier.  It&#039;s ridiculous to think they are just going to round up 42,000 inmates and say &quot;O.K.,you can go now!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody Says:<br />
July 27th, 2009 at 6:26 am</p>
<p>DB: I hear valid points from both sides but no one can seem to answer this question for me, what is the big difference between releasing parole violators now as apposed to a couple months from now when their scheduled to be released?</p>
<p>What’s the difference between letting lake water through the dam slowly or opening up the flood gates and letting it out all at once?</p>
<p>Who said they would open the flood gates, when has California ever done anything in a timely manner, there&#8217;s going to mountains of paperwork and they&#8217;ll come out just like they always do just a couple months earlier.  It&#8217;s ridiculous to think they are just going to round up 42,000 inmates and say &#8220;O.K.,you can go now!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB:  &lt;i&gt;I hear valid points from both sides but no one can seem to answer this question for me, what is the big difference between releasing parole violators now as apposed to a couple months from now when their scheduled to be released?&lt;/i&gt;

What&#039;s the difference between letting lake water through the dam slowly or opening up the flood gates and letting it out all at once?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB:  <i>I hear valid points from both sides but no one can seem to answer this question for me, what is the big difference between releasing parole violators now as apposed to a couple months from now when their scheduled to be released?</i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between letting lake water through the dam slowly or opening up the flood gates and letting it out all at once?</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, the three strikes law is the &quot;culprit&quot; that is causing the over crowding in the prisons. For instance, it makes no sense to sentence someone who has a stolen battery in their possession to 20 tears in prison, or someone who has been caught with drugs to to 35 years, especially when someone has been convicted of voluntary manslaughterwil be sentenced 5 years. 
This system is crazy, unfair and totally against the constitution. The punishment is not fitting the crime. Plus money that it costs to hoyuse and maintain an imate is outrageous. Most of the working people have to survive on much less.
Alsao, the guard in the prisons are no more that glorified &quot;babysitters&#039;. The inmates are NOT being rehabilitated or taught how to manage when they are released. They are thrown out of the door with twoo hundred dollars and told hit the street and &quot;see you next month&quot;. In my opinion, the inmates are &quot;set up to fail&quot;. From what I have seen the whole prison systems do not help the people become better citizens. Even the ones who may have had potential have lost it after going through the prison system. 
Maybe if some changes are made &quot;within&quot; the system, there would be less people committing crimes ans redturning to the prisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, the three strikes law is the &#8220;culprit&#8221; that is causing the over crowding in the prisons. For instance, it makes no sense to sentence someone who has a stolen battery in their possession to 20 tears in prison, or someone who has been caught with drugs to to 35 years, especially when someone has been convicted of voluntary manslaughterwil be sentenced 5 years.<br />
This system is crazy, unfair and totally against the constitution. The punishment is not fitting the crime. Plus money that it costs to hoyuse and maintain an imate is outrageous. Most of the working people have to survive on much less.<br />
Alsao, the guard in the prisons are no more that glorified &#8220;babysitters&#8217;. The inmates are NOT being rehabilitated or taught how to manage when they are released. They are thrown out of the door with twoo hundred dollars and told hit the street and &#8220;see you next month&#8221;. In my opinion, the inmates are &#8220;set up to fail&#8221;. From what I have seen the whole prison systems do not help the people become better citizens. Even the ones who may have had potential have lost it after going through the prison system.<br />
Maybe if some changes are made &#8220;within&#8221; the system, there would be less people committing crimes ans redturning to the prisons.</p>
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		<title>By: DinahBordum</title>
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		<dc:creator>DinahBordum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear valid points from both sides but no one can seem to answer this question for me, what is the big difference between releasing parole violators now as apposed to a couple months from now when their scheduled to be released?  They&#039;ve already served their time and are doing extra for a missed appt., dirty drug test, etc. Right now hard core criminals are not being tried better yet convicted because the jails are so full with parole violators.  Due process, right to a speedy trial, blah, blah...violent offenders walk without seeing the inside of a court room.  I wish someone would please shed some light on this for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear valid points from both sides but no one can seem to answer this question for me, what is the big difference between releasing parole violators now as apposed to a couple months from now when their scheduled to be released?  They&#8217;ve already served their time and are doing extra for a missed appt., dirty drug test, etc. Right now hard core criminals are not being tried better yet convicted because the jails are so full with parole violators.  Due process, right to a speedy trial, blah, blah&#8230;violent offenders walk without seeing the inside of a court room.  I wish someone would please shed some light on this for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an incredibly tiny point you make.

The impact of releasing 27,000 70% snakes, regardless the reasons they were born or morphed into snakes, is that at a minimum, tens of thousands of Californians will be bitten that otherwise would not.  

Your claiming that Chief McDonnell has become more enlightened philosophically is laughable.  The dude read the tea leaves and moved on to damage control posture.  It really is hilarious that here, you praise practical thinking in reaction to a practical problem, yet the main thrust of your thread is an academic distinction that does nothing to ameliorate the very real tragedies about to befall many innocents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an incredibly tiny point you make.</p>
<p>The impact of releasing 27,000 70% snakes, regardless the reasons they were born or morphed into snakes, is that at a minimum, tens of thousands of Californians will be bitten that otherwise would not.  </p>
<p>Your claiming that Chief McDonnell has become more enlightened philosophically is laughable.  The dude read the tea leaves and moved on to damage control posture.  It really is hilarious that here, you praise practical thinking in reaction to a practical problem, yet the main thrust of your thread is an academic distinction that does nothing to ameliorate the very real tragedies about to befall many innocents.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste:  &lt;i&gt;AND MORE BAD STATS...the LAPPL press release...says that the average early released prisoner will commit 13 crimes before he or she is arrested again.&lt;/i&gt;

Poppy:  &lt;i&gt;We usually only catch them for one good solid arrest...out of like maybe 10 to 50 unknown acts.&lt;/i&gt;

I suspect that Poppy&#039;s knowlege and experience is accurate.  If the LAPD statistics are bad, then it&#039;s because they leaned on the side of being conservative.

But, an analysis shouldn&#039;t cover just the number of crimes but the severity of them.

Remember the serial killings from a released prisoner earlier this month?  &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532625,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;North Carolina Police Probe Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

As I stated in the post above this one, &quot;Who will explain the arguments against the “faulty numbers” to the first family who suffers an attack or death by one of the released prisoners?&quot;  

When you think that you are helping one group, you may be hurting a larger group.  Be careful with you social causes lest you make things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste:  <i>AND MORE BAD STATS&#8230;the LAPPL press release&#8230;says that the average early released prisoner will commit 13 crimes before he or she is arrested again.</i></p>
<p>Poppy:  <i>We usually only catch them for one good solid arrest&#8230;out of like maybe 10 to 50 unknown acts.</i></p>
<p>I suspect that Poppy&#8217;s knowlege and experience is accurate.  If the LAPD statistics are bad, then it&#8217;s because they leaned on the side of being conservative.</p>
<p>But, an analysis shouldn&#8217;t cover just the number of crimes but the severity of them.</p>
<p>Remember the serial killings from a released prisoner earlier this month?  <b><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532625,00.html" rel="nofollow">North Carolina Police Probe Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People</a></b></p>
<p>As I stated in the post above this one, &#8220;Who will explain the arguments against the “faulty numbers” to the first family who suffers an attack or death by one of the released prisoners?&#8221;  </p>
<p>When you think that you are helping one group, you may be hurting a larger group.  Be careful with you social causes lest you make things worse.</p>
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		<title>By: poplockerone</title>
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		<dc:creator>poplockerone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Fremon - On this subject, you are so so wrong. Parolees re-commit crimes in ten folds. We usually only catch them for one good solid arrest (and hopefully -in Gods grace he is convicted in court), out of like maybe 10 to 50 unknown acts. You dont even realize how many criminal reports are taken of unsolved crimes daily in LA - the majority of them being committed by your so called &quot;low level&quot; assholes. 
 I have debriefed hundreds of criminals and you should really hear what they have to say - when they are telling the truth on their criminal adventures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Fremon &#8211; On this subject, you are so so wrong. Parolees re-commit crimes in ten folds. We usually only catch them for one good solid arrest (and hopefully -in Gods grace he is convicted in court), out of like maybe 10 to 50 unknown acts. You dont even realize how many criminal reports are taken of unsolved crimes daily in LA &#8211; the majority of them being committed by your so called &#8220;low level&#8221; assholes.<br />
 I have debriefed hundreds of criminals and you should really hear what they have to say &#8211; when they are telling the truth on their criminal adventures.</p>
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