Comments on: Prison Nation or Rogue State??? http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/ street news, views and stories of justice and injustice Thu, 24 May 2012 14:53:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Lost Resident http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12774 Lost Resident Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:09:09 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12774 For Woody, Who made a comment about corruption in Mexico, the following is a "bable-fish" translated story about the miliarty arresting state and local (municipal) police, for working with/for drug cartels, kidnappers and just about any organized crime unit with money to pay. http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n672868.htm ' For Woody,
Who made a comment about corruption in Mexico, the following is a “bable-fish” translated story about the miliarty arresting state and local (municipal) police, for working with/for drug cartels, kidnappers and just about any organized crime unit with money to pay.

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n672868.htm

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]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12765 Woody Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:55:59 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12765 R.P., when prevention fails and someone is in my house, I'll utilize he Second Amendment. I know the Fourth Amendment, but police have applied it broadly and still do. My kid was stopped by the police simply because he had a new car tag. When I griped to them, they said that many stolen cars have fake new car tags, and that's why they checked. Bull, but they did it. However, I have no problem with profiling, such as assuming that a young Muslim male is a bigger flight security threat than an 80 year old grandmother. Liberals object to that. Don't expect police to prevent crime if you also tie their hands. R.P., when prevention fails and someone is in my house, I’ll utilize he Second Amendment.

I know the Fourth Amendment, but police have applied it broadly and still do. My kid was stopped by the police simply because he had a new car tag. When I griped to them, they said that many stolen cars have fake new car tags, and that’s why they checked. Bull, but they did it.

However, I have no problem with profiling, such as assuming that a young Muslim male is a bigger flight security threat than an 80 year old grandmother. Liberals object to that.

Don’t expect police to prevent crime if you also tie their hands.

]]> By: Celeste Fremon http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12760 Celeste Fremon Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:56:47 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12760 Cool monkey article, Woody. LR, true, we don't need to be holding China up as a paragon of virtue. Cool monkey article, Woody. LR, true, we don’t need to be holding China up as a paragon of virtue.

]]> By: Randy Paul http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12758 Randy Paul Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:26:26 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12758 Please read the fourth amendment. Please read the fourth amendment.

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12750 Woody Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:16:13 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12750 Randy, I'm not saying what I feel personally. I'm just explaining what is involved in "prevention"--a lot of objectionable steps. I only brought up that one thing because it was done for decades by police. If it got your attention, then good. Think about the problems of prevention. It's not about me. Randy, I’m not saying what I feel personally. I’m just explaining what is involved in “prevention”–a lot of objectionable steps. I only brought up that one thing because it was done for decades by police. If it got your attention, then good. Think about the problems of prevention. It’s not about me.

]]> By: Randy Paul http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12749 Randy Paul Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:12:01 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12749 <i>We could start asking groups of black youths what they are doing in a “white neighborhood.” We could stop all the Mexicans and check to see if they are here legally.</i> You know I used to defend you against people who called you a bigot. Not any more. We could start asking groups of black youths what they are doing in a “white neighborhood.” We could stop all the Mexicans and check to see if they are here legally.

You know I used to defend you against people who called you a bigot. Not any more.

]]> By: Lost Resident http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12748 Lost Resident Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:10:04 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12748 China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison. (That number excludes hundreds of thousands of people held in administrative detention, most of them in China’s extrajudicial system of re-education through labor, which often singles out political activists who have not committed crimes.) ******************** And how many are buried in secret graves, people may commit less in China because the have a fear of prison, torture and the government. What a stupid ass comment above, comparing China to the U.S. It only proves that, if people are fearful of being tortured or killed by their government you have less criminals. I wonder if the author knows how many Chinese live in abject poverty or that China tortures its prisoners and has very quick executions for non capital crimes. (No three strikes law needed) I'll bet there was less crime and prisoners in Afghanistan under the Taliban than in the U.S., no gangster rap, violent movies or any other western influence under the Taliban. Even Woody makes more sense than the N.Y. Times writer. <b> http://tinyurl.com/7wkqw </b> China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison. (That number excludes hundreds of thousands of people held in administrative detention, most of them in China’s extrajudicial system of re-education through labor, which often singles out political activists who have not committed crimes.)

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And how many are buried in secret graves, people may commit less in China because the have a fear of prison, torture and the government. What a stupid ass comment above, comparing China to the U.S. It only proves that, if people are fearful of being tortured or killed by their government you have less criminals. I wonder if the author knows how many Chinese live in abject poverty or that China tortures its prisoners and has very quick executions for non capital crimes. (No three strikes law needed)

I’ll bet there was less crime and prisoners in Afghanistan under the Taliban than in the U.S., no gangster rap, violent movies or any other western influence under the Taliban.

Even Woody makes more sense than the N.Y. Times writer.


http://tinyurl.com/7wkqw

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12746 Woody Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:51:52 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12746 R.P.: <i>An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.</i> I agree, except that the police and other law enforcement do not prevent crimes but investigate them and attempt to bring the criminals to justice. However, we could start profiling young Muslim males at airports and monitoring calls from known foreign terrorists to people inside our nation. We could start asking groups of black youths what they are doing in a "white neighborhood." We could stop all the Mexicans and check to see if they are here legally. But, sometimes, there are roadblocks to crime prevention. R.P.: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I agree, except that the police and other law enforcement do not prevent crimes but investigate them and attempt to bring the criminals to justice.

However, we could start profiling young Muslim males at airports and monitoring calls from known foreign terrorists to people inside our nation. We could start asking groups of black youths what they are doing in a “white neighborhood.” We could stop all the Mexicans and check to see if they are here legally.

But, sometimes, there are roadblocks to crime prevention.

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12744 Woody Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:07:29 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12744 Bonus animal story: <b><a href="http://www.tampabay.com/news/bizarre/article468498.ece" rel="nofollow">15 monkeys paddle to freedom</a></b> How can we keep prisoners in check if we can't do it with monkees? Bonus animal story: 15 monkeys paddle to freedom

How can we keep prisoners in check if we can’t do it with monkees?

]]> By: Randy Paul http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/comment-page-1/#comment-12743 Randy Paul Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:57:45 +0000 http://witnessla.com/prison/2008/admin/prison-nation-or-rogue-state/#comment-12743 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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