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	<title>Comments on: What Will Stop the Implosion at the L.A. Times?</title>
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		<title>By: brady westwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>brady westwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Six for six.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the whole Tupac Shakur/Chuck Phillips debacle from a few months, I can&#039;t blame the Times for being hesitant on the Jamiel Shaw story. Those would have been explosive allegations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the whole Tupac Shakur/Chuck Phillips debacle from a few months, I can&#8217;t blame the Times for being hesitant on the Jamiel Shaw story. Those would have been explosive allegations.</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Joseph, you nailed it this time.  Screamingly partisan tabloid journalism, that&#039;s what we need for &quot;clean&quot; politics, indeed.  Maybe as in Britain, Zell could throw in some front- page photo essays about battling royalty, three-headed sisters and scandals involving sex -- actually, combine the royalty, battling, porn and three-headed sisters, and you&#039;ve got it made, sales will surely soar.  We already have something like that, it&#039;s called the Enquirer -- only thing missing are the screaming heads of tabloid politics, maybe, Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter and Rosa Brooks going at each other, with their furious faces in horrible full-page close-up.  (I hope Zell isn&#039;t reading this:  it just might work to sell papers.)

Other than this bright idea, your silliness about &quot;Euro- styled tabloids&quot; as the way to cleaner politics is absurd.  Are you referring to Italy and their model government, perhaps?  France&#039;s, Germany&#039;s, Austria&#039;s and Hungary&#039;s major papers are largely party organs, but they wouldn&#039;t thank you for calling them tabloids.   We in America have a different tradition of reporting where, historically, editors didn&#039;t ask for messianic political fervor from prospective writers, or their political party, but the ability to answer the 5 W&#039;s and depict facts as vivid, non-fiction stories.  However, if you want to practice party politics &quot;tabloid&quot; journalism, there are plenty of niche papers to do that in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Joseph, you nailed it this time.  Screamingly partisan tabloid journalism, that&#8217;s what we need for &#8220;clean&#8221; politics, indeed.  Maybe as in Britain, Zell could throw in some front- page photo essays about battling royalty, three-headed sisters and scandals involving sex &#8212; actually, combine the royalty, battling, porn and three-headed sisters, and you&#8217;ve got it made, sales will surely soar.  We already have something like that, it&#8217;s called the Enquirer &#8212; only thing missing are the screaming heads of tabloid politics, maybe, Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter and Rosa Brooks going at each other, with their furious faces in horrible full-page close-up.  (I hope Zell isn&#8217;t reading this:  it just might work to sell papers.)</p>
<p>Other than this bright idea, your silliness about &#8220;Euro- styled tabloids&#8221; as the way to cleaner politics is absurd.  Are you referring to Italy and their model government, perhaps?  France&#8217;s, Germany&#8217;s, Austria&#8217;s and Hungary&#8217;s major papers are largely party organs, but they wouldn&#8217;t thank you for calling them tabloids.   We in America have a different tradition of reporting where, historically, editors didn&#8217;t ask for messianic political fervor from prospective writers, or their political party, but the ability to answer the 5 W&#8217;s and depict facts as vivid, non-fiction stories.  However, if you want to practice party politics &#8220;tabloid&#8221; journalism, there are plenty of niche papers to do that in.</p>
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		<title>By: Listener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo!  &lt;i&gt;(standing on a chair whistling, stomping a foot, and clapping wildly)&lt;/i&gt;

You freakin&#039; nailed it Alan.  Damn, that was good.  

If only . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo!  <i>(standing on a chair whistling, stomping a foot, and clapping wildly)</i></p>
<p>You freakin&#8217; nailed it Alan.  Damn, that was good.  </p>
<p>If only . . .</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Joseph, if you are/were a USC Journalism student, youâ€™re the best argument AGAINST Celesteâ€™s earnest attempts to convince readers that she and her colleagues can actually churn out future â€œreportersâ€ and â€œjournalistsâ€ who make even a pretext to objectivity despite their clear bias to the left.&lt;/i&gt;

As a matter of fact, I was last a student in a journalism class at Columbia, taught by Fred Friendly, but I&#039;m sure USC thanks you for the patronizing comment.

&lt;i&gt;but you live in some leftist Wonderland if you think Joe Q Citizen is going out to his driveway to get a paper full of the unabashedly biased opinions of some other person.&lt;/i&gt;

That &quot;leftist Wonderland&quot; goes by the name of &quot;Europe&quot; where the press is identifiably partisan, and adults are treated as adults, capable of reading between the lines.

If LA had a Euro-styled tabloid, it would also have far cleaner politics.  And if it had two, one on each side, politics would be cleaner still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Joseph, if you are/were a USC Journalism student, youâ€™re the best argument AGAINST Celesteâ€™s earnest attempts to convince readers that she and her colleagues can actually churn out future â€œreportersâ€ and â€œjournalistsâ€ who make even a pretext to objectivity despite their clear bias to the left.</i></p>
<p>As a matter of fact, I was last a student in a journalism class at Columbia, taught by Fred Friendly, but I&#8217;m sure USC thanks you for the patronizing comment.</p>
<p><i>but you live in some leftist Wonderland if you think Joe Q Citizen is going out to his driveway to get a paper full of the unabashedly biased opinions of some other person.</i></p>
<p>That &#8220;leftist Wonderland&#8221; goes by the name of &#8220;Europe&#8221; where the press is identifiably partisan, and adults are treated as adults, capable of reading between the lines.</p>
<p>If LA had a Euro-styled tabloid, it would also have far cleaner politics.  And if it had two, one on each side, politics would be cleaner still.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but you live in some leftist Wonderland if you think Joe Q Citizen is going out to his driveway to get a paper full of the unabashedly biased opinions of some other person.&quot;

Now, is that an objective statement, based on sound reasoning, and analysis, or one based on you own personal bias?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but you live in some leftist Wonderland if you think Joe Q Citizen is going out to his driveway to get a paper full of the unabashedly biased opinions of some other person.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, is that an objective statement, based on sound reasoning, and analysis, or one based on you own personal bias?</p>
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		<title>By: J.Ham</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Ham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, have you seen my shoes?</description>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, if you are/were a USC Journalism student, you&#039;re the best argument AGAINST Celeste&#039;s earnest attempts to convince readers that she and her colleagues can actually churn out future &quot;reporters&quot; and &quot;journalists&quot; who make even a pretext to objectivity despite their clear bias to the left.  

The fact that you and Mr. M don&#039;t even acknowledge a distinction between Opinion writers and journalists/ reporters (note the core words JOURNAL and REPORT, not opine or advocate), because &quot;objectivity is merely &#039;the subjectivity of the white male --&#039;&quot; aye - aye:  Are they still teaching that drivel? -- is precisely why the print media will surely fail if you guys have your shot at it.  You admit that the newspaper business IS a business, and shrinking revenue and readership is not a good thing -- but you live in some leftist Wonderland if you think Joe Q Citizen is going out to his driveway to get a paper full of the unabashedly biased opinions of some other person.  

Sure, papers tilt lefts (NY Times) or right, but when they denounce even the pretense of &quot;balance&quot; and veer into open advocacy, they&#039;re no longer the Mainstream Media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, if you are/were a USC Journalism student, you&#8217;re the best argument AGAINST Celeste&#8217;s earnest attempts to convince readers that she and her colleagues can actually churn out future &#8220;reporters&#8221; and &#8220;journalists&#8221; who make even a pretext to objectivity despite their clear bias to the left.  </p>
<p>The fact that you and Mr. M don&#8217;t even acknowledge a distinction between Opinion writers and journalists/ reporters (note the core words JOURNAL and REPORT, not opine or advocate), because &#8220;objectivity is merely &#8216;the subjectivity of the white male &#8211;&#8217;&#8221; aye &#8211; aye:  Are they still teaching that drivel? &#8212; is precisely why the print media will surely fail if you guys have your shot at it.  You admit that the newspaper business IS a business, and shrinking revenue and readership is not a good thing &#8212; but you live in some leftist Wonderland if you think Joe Q Citizen is going out to his driveway to get a paper full of the unabashedly biased opinions of some other person.  </p>
<p>Sure, papers tilt lefts (NY Times) or right, but when they denounce even the pretense of &#8220;balance&#8221; and veer into open advocacy, they&#8217;re no longer the Mainstream Media.</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Above comment by me; didn&#039;t mean to hide anything by blowing the website address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above comment by me; didn&#8217;t mean to hide anything by blowing the website address.</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Objectivity isn&#039;t some absolute; it&#039;s always the objectivity of an editor; it&#039;s vastly overrated, a relic of whitebread times.  Or, as is said in decon circles, objectivity is merely &quot;the subjectivity of the white male.&quot;

That said, the managers of any business start to get gunshy when the business starts to shrink.  The business has to take risks, reward the mavericks, the cowboys, to punch itself out of its stupor.  Editors are like product managers, and the Times has a bunch of traumatized, gunshy editors who only see punishment, not reward, in taking any kind of chance.  It&#039;s a downward spiral and a no-win until the publisher and owner either change their ways or step aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Objectivity isn&#8217;t some absolute; it&#8217;s always the objectivity of an editor; it&#8217;s vastly overrated, a relic of whitebread times.  Or, as is said in decon circles, objectivity is merely &#8220;the subjectivity of the white male.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, the managers of any business start to get gunshy when the business starts to shrink.  The business has to take risks, reward the mavericks, the cowboys, to punch itself out of its stupor.  Editors are like product managers, and the Times has a bunch of traumatized, gunshy editors who only see punishment, not reward, in taking any kind of chance.  It&#8217;s a downward spiral and a no-win until the publisher and owner either change their ways or step aside.</p>
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