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	<title>Comments on: The Sunday &#8220;Raid&#8221; in the Park, the LAPD&#8230;.and Jamiel&#8217;s Law.</title>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Mrs.Bergeron.  I wish we&#039;d hear from more resident like you about what they observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Mrs.Bergeron.  I wish we&#8217;d hear from more resident like you about what they observed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs.Bergeron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs.Bergeron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live near Leimert Park and, through community work, work closely with LA City departments. General Services was there because they are the department responsible for city parks.  It was purely a matter of protocol.  I guarantee you the helicopter was LAPD&#039;s.  

Illegal food vendors are not a problem at this location, especially on Sundays.  Sundays the park is usually filled with people who participate in a drum circle.  The &quot;illegal food vendor task force&quot; was a ruse to harass this family.

I find it ironic that the City can put together a task force because a family is passing out free water and chips, while the community has been pleading for YEARS with the city to clean up the day laborers at Ruthelen and Slauson.  Community groups have repeatedly been told that there&#039;s nothing the LAPD can do to stop the gambling, public urination, blocking sidewalks and streets, drinking in public, drug dealing, etc. etc. etc.  This is outrageous.  I hope residents of CD 8 take their outrage to the voting booth on November 4th, and vote for Mark Ridley-Thomas!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live near Leimert Park and, through community work, work closely with LA City departments. General Services was there because they are the department responsible for city parks.  It was purely a matter of protocol.  I guarantee you the helicopter was LAPD&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Illegal food vendors are not a problem at this location, especially on Sundays.  Sundays the park is usually filled with people who participate in a drum circle.  The &#8220;illegal food vendor task force&#8221; was a ruse to harass this family.</p>
<p>I find it ironic that the City can put together a task force because a family is passing out free water and chips, while the community has been pleading for YEARS with the city to clean up the day laborers at Ruthelen and Slauson.  Community groups have repeatedly been told that there&#8217;s nothing the LAPD can do to stop the gambling, public urination, blocking sidewalks and streets, drinking in public, drug dealing, etc. etc. etc.  This is outrageous.  I hope residents of CD 8 take their outrage to the voting booth on November 4th, and vote for Mark Ridley-Thomas!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gava Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gava Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t let this one get by from Don Quixote here. In the third paragraph of your rambling diatribe you refer to the blog host as Mr. Freemon. I&#039;d like you to know that there&#039;s only one &quot;E&quot; in Fremon, and Celeste (the host&#039;s first name) is a female&#039;s name and it has been determined earlier that she is indeed a &quot;she&quot; rather than the &quot;Mr.&quot; you refer to her as. Since you&#039;re wrong on those two counts I&#039;ll have to assume you&#039;re wrong on your assessment of Walter Moore. On that recomendation Mr. Moore certainly has my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t let this one get by from Don Quixote here. In the third paragraph of your rambling diatribe you refer to the blog host as Mr. Freemon. I&#8217;d like you to know that there&#8217;s only one &#8220;E&#8221; in Fremon, and Celeste (the host&#8217;s first name) is a female&#8217;s name and it has been determined earlier that she is indeed a &#8220;she&#8221; rather than the &#8220;Mr.&#8221; you refer to her as. Since you&#8217;re wrong on those two counts I&#8217;ll have to assume you&#8217;re wrong on your assessment of Walter Moore. On that recomendation Mr. Moore certainly has my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: racist and hypocrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>racist and hypocrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secondly I think itâ€™s telling that here again Walterâ€™s nativist and xenophobic sympathyâ€™s come to the surface.

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Hey Don Q. you remember who said this..... 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;the shooting death of 3 year old Kaitlyn Avila and these killings (including an innocent 10 year old boy while he was on the ground), what does this tell you about culero &lt;b&gt;Mayates.&lt;/b&gt; And look at the ages of these &lt;b&gt;chanates.&lt;/b&gt; I hope the Carnals get a shot at these &lt;b&gt;changos&lt;/b&gt; when they hit the joint.&quot;

Come on u member

G.L.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secondly I think itâ€™s telling that here again Walterâ€™s nativist and xenophobic sympathyâ€™s come to the surface.</p>
<p>********************</p>
<p>Hey Don Q. you remember who said this&#8230;..<br />
<i>&#8220;the shooting death of 3 year old Kaitlyn Avila and these killings (including an innocent 10 year old boy while he was on the ground), what does this tell you about culero <b>Mayates.</b> And look at the ages of these <b>chanates.</b> I hope the Carnals get a shot at these <b>changos</b> when they hit the joint.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on u member</p>
<p>G.L.</i></p>
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		<title>By: don quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>don quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t let this one get by, from Walter Moore here,

&quot;Teach your students about Tameny Hall.&quot;

First off Prof Moore it&#039;s &quot;Tammany Hall&quot; not Tameny! Pay attention students! You will be graded on correct spelling!

Secondly I think it&#039;s telling that here again Walter&#039;s nativist and xenophobic sympathy&#039;s come to the surface.
Tammany Hall was the powerful Democratic Political Machine in NYC that on the positive side (in my humble opinion and as having some Irish blood in my veins along with the Chicano sangre), uplifted and enabled many mainly Irish immigrants to become successful and powerful politically and in other areas of US society.

Hmmm is Walter being analogous to today&#039;s immigrants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t let this one get by, from Walter Moore here,</p>
<p>&#8220;Teach your students about Tameny Hall.&#8221;</p>
<p>First off Prof Moore it&#8217;s &#8220;Tammany Hall&#8221; not Tameny! Pay attention students! You will be graded on correct spelling!</p>
<p>Secondly I think it&#8217;s telling that here again Walter&#8217;s nativist and xenophobic sympathy&#8217;s come to the surface.<br />
Tammany Hall was the powerful Democratic Political Machine in NYC that on the positive side (in my humble opinion and as having some Irish blood in my veins along with the Chicano sangre), uplifted and enabled many mainly Irish immigrants to become successful and powerful politically and in other areas of US society.</p>
<p>Hmmm is Walter being analogous to today&#8217;s immigrants?</p>
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		<title>By: Observor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This circus developing around the Shaw family is beginning to disgust me. They lost a son. Now they&#039;ve been enlisted by other people with their own agendas, whether it&#039;s ratings, a stupid mayoral candidacy or just plain old race baiting. There&#039;s a serious issue here that&#039;s plaguing the city. Reasonable people can work to find a solution. But this kid&#039;s tragic death has now disintegrated into a discussion on Mayor Sam about illegal swap meets. Sometimes I wish Al Gore never invented the internet. I was happier not knowing what my fellow citizens thought about everything</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This circus developing around the Shaw family is beginning to disgust me. They lost a son. Now they&#8217;ve been enlisted by other people with their own agendas, whether it&#8217;s ratings, a stupid mayoral candidacy or just plain old race baiting. There&#8217;s a serious issue here that&#8217;s plaguing the city. Reasonable people can work to find a solution. But this kid&#8217;s tragic death has now disintegrated into a discussion on Mayor Sam about illegal swap meets. Sometimes I wish Al Gore never invented the internet. I was happier not knowing what my fellow citizens thought about everything</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you now see what it&#039;s like to be on the receiving end when you don&#039;t support Moore&#039;s ill-conceived law aimed at getting rid of prohibitions against unreasonable searches.  
If you question anything, you&#039;re on the side of &quot;corrupt politicians&quot; and &quot;corrupt media,&quot; and &quot;you&#039;re just smearing the Shaws and anyone who wants to enforce immigration laws.&quot;  
NICE rejoiners from a wanna-be Mayor!

And yes, it is sad that he got his PR time by going on a number of those rightwing shows which don&#039;t let facts interfere with wild allegations and their ratings, at the expense of the Shaws.  IF Moore and the rest really cared a darn about the issue and not his &quot;candidacy for Mayor&quot; on the backs of the Shaws, they&#039;d be helping the Shaws present their case to Council, LAPD, ICE etc. at the forum they&#039;ve been promised in October, and go to other appropriate legislative bodies like they did the Supervisors -- where they scored a big one with Baca starting to run checks on prisoners on booking.  Something Moore&#039;s law would have the cops do on everyone without cause -- but all he rebuts with is, &quot;Why do you want LA to remain a sanctuary city for gangs?&quot;  Even though Bratton&#039;s agreed to &quot;clarify&quot; the order and discuss it in October.

But instead of working systematically, now that there&#039;s significant movement, they all continue their wild invectives in all directions to fill air time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you now see what it&#8217;s like to be on the receiving end when you don&#8217;t support Moore&#8217;s ill-conceived law aimed at getting rid of prohibitions against unreasonable searches.<br />
If you question anything, you&#8217;re on the side of &#8220;corrupt politicians&#8221; and &#8220;corrupt media,&#8221; and &#8220;you&#8217;re just smearing the Shaws and anyone who wants to enforce immigration laws.&#8221;<br />
NICE rejoiners from a wanna-be Mayor!</p>
<p>And yes, it is sad that he got his PR time by going on a number of those rightwing shows which don&#8217;t let facts interfere with wild allegations and their ratings, at the expense of the Shaws.  IF Moore and the rest really cared a darn about the issue and not his &#8220;candidacy for Mayor&#8221; on the backs of the Shaws, they&#8217;d be helping the Shaws present their case to Council, LAPD, ICE etc. at the forum they&#8217;ve been promised in October, and go to other appropriate legislative bodies like they did the Supervisors &#8212; where they scored a big one with Baca starting to run checks on prisoners on booking.  Something Moore&#8217;s law would have the cops do on everyone without cause &#8212; but all he rebuts with is, &#8220;Why do you want LA to remain a sanctuary city for gangs?&#8221;  Even though Bratton&#8217;s agreed to &#8220;clarify&#8221; the order and discuss it in October.</p>
<p>But instead of working systematically, now that there&#8217;s significant movement, they all continue their wild invectives in all directions to fill air time.</p>
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		<title>By: browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Shaw&#039;s are being used by people who have less than honorable intentions. Jamiel&#039;s law is a bad idea. It&#039;s horrible what happened, but this is not how to deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Shaw&#8217;s are being used by people who have less than honorable intentions. Jamiel&#8217;s law is a bad idea. It&#8217;s horrible what happened, but this is not how to deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: don quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>don quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn48bY9Hd7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMYcMFpjnwk

Walter Moore is a demagogue of the first degree who is running his pathetic campaign for Mayor of LA based on a simple minded, single issue (get rid of the Mexicans and Mexican Americans in public office), Moore is a misleading  xenophobe (see the above u tube videos for a weird few minutes),  and is just  another in a long line of hate filled and vitriolic racists who&#039;s only hope for an elected position is to base their campaign on hate, fear, and nativist speech. 
If one has the stomach to listen to Walter Moore for any length of time they will soon come to realize that Moore is a paranoid hater (Whenever I ride in my car the radio is speaking to me in Spanish!), who has no other political platform except his anti immigrant, anti Spanish language, anti Mexican, right wing xenophobic philosophy.
 
The tragic site of the Shaw&#039;s being manipulated by the Moore people is pathetic and I feel awful for this family that lost a son to gang violence. But like many others I have a feeling that Walter Moore and his gang of right wing xenophobes never before spent so much time with a black family from South Central LA. I sincerely hope that Moore comes away with a new found understanding of African Americans but I very much doubt it.

And it doesn&#039;t surprise me that wacky Walter Moore accuses Celeste of being &quot;pro Illegal Alien&quot; because of the word &quot;xenophobe&quot; that Mr Freemon uses in his rebuttal to Moore&#039;s BS, it&#039;s an almost Freudian display by the classic Reactionary Mind. &quot;If you don&#039;t agree with everything I say then you must be an enemy and will be attacked and smeared&quot;.

My only curiosity with Walter Moore is why he is even undertaking such a ridiculous campaign for Mayor (he doesn&#039;t stand the chance of an ice cube in hell), and why he is attempting to push his even more ethnocentric, not to mention blatantly unconstitutional, &quot;Jamiels Law&quot;. 

My only guess would be that even though innocent people and the city could be hurt and damaged due to Moore&#039;s inflammatory rhetoric and platform for Mayor, he might be able to raise quite a bit of Lana (that&#039;s Spanish slang for money to you Moore),from the small minority of  xenophobic,nativist, supporters he has gleaned. 

Hmmmmm?</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMYcMFpjnwk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMYcMFpjnwk</a></p>
<p>Walter Moore is a demagogue of the first degree who is running his pathetic campaign for Mayor of LA based on a simple minded, single issue (get rid of the Mexicans and Mexican Americans in public office), Moore is a misleading  xenophobe (see the above u tube videos for a weird few minutes),  and is just  another in a long line of hate filled and vitriolic racists who&#8217;s only hope for an elected position is to base their campaign on hate, fear, and nativist speech.<br />
If one has the stomach to listen to Walter Moore for any length of time they will soon come to realize that Moore is a paranoid hater (Whenever I ride in my car the radio is speaking to me in Spanish!), who has no other political platform except his anti immigrant, anti Spanish language, anti Mexican, right wing xenophobic philosophy.</p>
<p>The tragic site of the Shaw&#8217;s being manipulated by the Moore people is pathetic and I feel awful for this family that lost a son to gang violence. But like many others I have a feeling that Walter Moore and his gang of right wing xenophobes never before spent so much time with a black family from South Central LA. I sincerely hope that Moore comes away with a new found understanding of African Americans but I very much doubt it.</p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that wacky Walter Moore accuses Celeste of being &#8220;pro Illegal Alien&#8221; because of the word &#8220;xenophobe&#8221; that Mr Freemon uses in his rebuttal to Moore&#8217;s BS, it&#8217;s an almost Freudian display by the classic Reactionary Mind. &#8220;If you don&#8217;t agree with everything I say then you must be an enemy and will be attacked and smeared&#8221;.</p>
<p>My only curiosity with Walter Moore is why he is even undertaking such a ridiculous campaign for Mayor (he doesn&#8217;t stand the chance of an ice cube in hell), and why he is attempting to push his even more ethnocentric, not to mention blatantly unconstitutional, &#8220;Jamiels Law&#8221;. </p>
<p>My only guess would be that even though innocent people and the city could be hurt and damaged due to Moore&#8217;s inflammatory rhetoric and platform for Mayor, he might be able to raise quite a bit of Lana (that&#8217;s Spanish slang for money to you Moore),from the small minority of  xenophobic,nativist, supporters he has gleaned. </p>
<p>Hmmmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: What Fell Apart ???</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Fell Apart ???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;But the most basic facts of it fell apart with a single late night phone call. How much more will fall apart with three phone calls?&lt;/b&gt;

What fell apart?
&lt;b&gt;
LAPD, a helicopter, general service police (other cops), and health code enforcement were all used, in an attempt to silence the Shaw family at the request of some city politicans who are more concerned with protecting illegal aliens, than American citizens 1st amendment rights.
&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws &quot;respecting an establishment of religion&quot; (the Establishment Clause) or that prohibit the free exercise of religion (the Free Exercise Clause), laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But the most basic facts of it fell apart with a single late night phone call. How much more will fall apart with three phone calls?</b></p>
<p>What fell apart?<br />
<b><br />
LAPD, a helicopter, general service police (other cops), and health code enforcement were all used, in an attempt to silence the Shaw family at the request of some city politicans who are more concerned with protecting illegal aliens, than American citizens 1st amendment rights.<br />
</b></p>
<p><i>&#8220;The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws &#8220;respecting an establishment of religion&#8221; (the Establishment Clause) or that prohibit the free exercise of religion (the Free Exercise Clause), laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.&#8221;</i></p>
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