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		<title>By: ZANDRA SPECTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZANDRA SPECTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN TELL ME HOW TO REACH PAUL INGELS.  I HAVE A VERY CLOSE FRIEND THAT HAS BEEN SITTING IN JAIL FOR OVER TWELVE YEARS, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A TRIAL.  I HAVE WRITTEN TO MAYORS, GOVENORS, ACLU---ETC, ON AND ON.  I NEED ADVICE AND WANTED TO TALK TO PAUL INGELS.  IF ANYONE HAS A CONTACT EMAIL FOR HIM PLEASE SEND IT TO ME AT ZANSPEC@COMCAST.NET</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN TELL ME HOW TO REACH PAUL INGELS.  I HAVE A VERY CLOSE FRIEND THAT HAS BEEN SITTING IN JAIL FOR OVER TWELVE YEARS, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A TRIAL.  I HAVE WRITTEN TO MAYORS, GOVENORS, ACLU&#8212;ETC, ON AND ON.  I NEED ADVICE AND WANTED TO TALK TO PAUL INGELS.  IF ANYONE HAS A CONTACT EMAIL FOR HIM PLEASE SEND IT TO ME AT <a href="mailto:ZANSPEC@COMCAST.NET">ZANSPEC@COMCAST.NET</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really never take the time to leave comments on any page, this is probably my second comment ever. I just mostly read and mumble my disgust aloud. (But let me just say to Woody that I do read before I mumble..lol). But I just had to let Jim Gavin know how sorry I am that his family has been put through this because of him coming forward and doing the right thing.  It sickens me to not only see how corrupt our government, politicians, and the people who &quot;serve and protect&quot; are, but there complete disregard to the &quot;law&quot; to cover up and retaliate, and then be allowed to resign and collect a pension. Jim what can we do as voting citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really never take the time to leave comments on any page, this is probably my second comment ever. I just mostly read and mumble my disgust aloud. (But let me just say to Woody that I do read before I mumble..lol). But I just had to let Jim Gavin know how sorry I am that his family has been put through this because of him coming forward and doing the right thing.  It sickens me to not only see how corrupt our government, politicians, and the people who &#8220;serve and protect&#8221; are, but there complete disregard to the &#8220;law&#8221; to cover up and retaliate, and then be allowed to resign and collect a pension. Jim what can we do as voting citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just watched 48 Hrs.
Thank God there are still good people in the world
like Paul Ingels, Jim Gavin, Scott Glover, Matt 
Lait and last, but not least, Bruce Lisker.
Of course, the one that had the most to lose, besides
Bruce Lisker, was Jim Gavin and I am so sorry to hear
about all he and his family have been and are still 
going through because he did the right thing.  &quot;No
good deed goes unpunished&quot; should not be the way 
things turn out but, unfortunately, it is in so many
cases.  Can&#039;t Scott Glover and Matt Lait of the L.A. 
Times investigate what is being done to the Gavins and
report openly on that?  Maybe that could be the first 
step in stopping the LAPD and others from punishing 
people for trying to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watched 48 Hrs.<br />
Thank God there are still good people in the world<br />
like Paul Ingels, Jim Gavin, Scott Glover, Matt<br />
Lait and last, but not least, Bruce Lisker.<br />
Of course, the one that had the most to lose, besides<br />
Bruce Lisker, was Jim Gavin and I am so sorry to hear<br />
about all he and his family have been and are still<br />
going through because he did the right thing.  &#8220;No<br />
good deed goes unpunished&#8221; should not be the way<br />
things turn out but, unfortunately, it is in so many<br />
cases.  Can&#8217;t Scott Glover and Matt Lait of the L.A.<br />
Times investigate what is being done to the Gavins and<br />
report openly on that?  Maybe that could be the first<br />
step in stopping the LAPD and others from punishing<br />
people for trying to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unreal that after all this time that this unjustic is still on this mans shoulders and the crooked police gets away once again and the one good cop Mr.Gavin by telling the truth going against the code of blue has to go through so much just like Mr.lisker when will the unjust get a break and one wonders why there is ni respect for law enfourcement.I don&#039;t trust them at all no matter whhat state they are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unreal that after all this time that this unjustic is still on this mans shoulders and the crooked police gets away once again and the one good cop Mr.Gavin by telling the truth going against the code of blue has to go through so much just like Mr.lisker when will the unjust get a break and one wonders why there is ni respect for law enfourcement.I don&#8217;t trust them at all no matter whhat state they are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was recently introduced to Mr. And Mrs.Gavin. I mention this because without Jim Gavin, along with the detective mentioned above and the LA times, Lisker&#039;s innocence would not have been accomplished. It was also brought to my attention that Mr. Gavin let the news out at the risk of losing his job and possible criminal charges. He and his wife both suffered retaliation from other officers almost immediately , because the LAPD wanted to keep the new Lisker findings under wrap. To this day, the Gavins are feeling the pressure, from trying to do what was right. Which was to free an innocent man. What kind of justice is this I ask? The same kind of justice that put an innocent man in jail.   
      Something needs to be done about this behavior. Is it not the responsibility of the LAPD to uphold the law? I guess we will just have to settle and live in a world where innocent people, like Lisker and the Gavins, continue to suffer from the inadequacies of the LAPD. By the way, Mr. and Mrs. Gavin are two of the most upstanding people I have ever met. My heart goes out to them and there children, during these trying times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently introduced to Mr. And Mrs.Gavin. I mention this because without Jim Gavin, along with the detective mentioned above and the LA times, Lisker&#8217;s innocence would not have been accomplished. It was also brought to my attention that Mr. Gavin let the news out at the risk of losing his job and possible criminal charges. He and his wife both suffered retaliation from other officers almost immediately , because the LAPD wanted to keep the new Lisker findings under wrap. To this day, the Gavins are feeling the pressure, from trying to do what was right. Which was to free an innocent man. What kind of justice is this I ask? The same kind of justice that put an innocent man in jail.<br />
      Something needs to be done about this behavior. Is it not the responsibility of the LAPD to uphold the law? I guess we will just have to settle and live in a world where innocent people, like Lisker and the Gavins, continue to suffer from the inadequacies of the LAPD. By the way, Mr. and Mrs. Gavin are two of the most upstanding people I have ever met. My heart goes out to them and there children, during these trying times.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Hester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned of Bruce Lisker for the first time yesterday, while watching the news. I have since, read up on the crime and my heart breaks for this man whom I completely believe was wrongfully accused. I cannot imagine what it must be like losing so many years of his life for a crime he did not commit. Our justice system failed this man!

From what I have read about Bruce Lisker, and the video interviews I have seen, I believe he will do very well readjusting to society. He appears to be bright, well spoken, and to have an amazingly forgiving heart. 

I just wanted to say that I support him and pray that he is not re-tried. He has already been through enough. He deserves to move forward and live his life freely.

Good luck Bruce!!!! You look great and I am so happy that you are free!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned of Bruce Lisker for the first time yesterday, while watching the news. I have since, read up on the crime and my heart breaks for this man whom I completely believe was wrongfully accused. I cannot imagine what it must be like losing so many years of his life for a crime he did not commit. Our justice system failed this man!</p>
<p>From what I have read about Bruce Lisker, and the video interviews I have seen, I believe he will do very well readjusting to society. He appears to be bright, well spoken, and to have an amazingly forgiving heart. </p>
<p>I just wanted to say that I support him and pray that he is not re-tried. He has already been through enough. He deserves to move forward and live his life freely.</p>
<p>Good luck Bruce!!!! You look great and I am so happy that you are free!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ingels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ingels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the private investigator that worked on this case.  I started on it in February 1999.  I have worked this case longer than anyone.  I am the one that picked Bruce up from prison and drove him back to Southern California. I am a former police officer and not a do gooder trying to empty the prisons.  I am a professional private investigator that relies on evidence, not inuendo and speculation.

First and foremost, I worked with Jim Gavin on this matter and know him to be as honest a police officer as you will ever meet.  His integrity is beyond reproach.  LAPD needs 10,000 cops just like him.

After two evedentiary hearings in federal court, which was in front of a magistrate judge and then a district court judge reviewed his findings that Lisker is acutally innocent, to say Lisker is &quot;getting freedom because a bunch of do-gooders are casting doubt years after the verdict based upon the evidence, is uninformed and without merit.

Both judges noted that Lisker&#039;s defense &quot;effectively dismantled every piece of evidence used to convict him.&quot;  This was an &quot;actual innocence&quot; petition under the &quot;Schlup&quot; decision.  The burden on the defense to prevail is much higher than that of a jury trial, where only reasonable doubt is needed.

The court further ruled that Lisker was convicted on &quot;false evidence,&quot; and &quot;with the evidence that we know today no reasonable juror would convict Lisker.&quot;

The &quot;Schlup&quot; decision is actually referred to as the &quot;actual innocence rule.&quot;  Does everyone understand that, &quot;actually innocent.&quot;  Because Lisker&#039;s petition was not timely filed the only &quot;gateway&quot; for the court to even hear the case was for Lisker to prove &quot;actual innocence.&quot;  

The bottom line, Lisker was not released because of some technicallity.  The court order his convictio to be overturned for several reasons, but the most compelling is that he was convicted on &quot;false evidence; and not just a couple of items, everything that the prosecution presented to the jury.

By the way, the real killer is John Michael Ryan.  The court made comment on that too in that the police didn&#039;t fully investigate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the private investigator that worked on this case.  I started on it in February 1999.  I have worked this case longer than anyone.  I am the one that picked Bruce up from prison and drove him back to Southern California. I am a former police officer and not a do gooder trying to empty the prisons.  I am a professional private investigator that relies on evidence, not inuendo and speculation.</p>
<p>First and foremost, I worked with Jim Gavin on this matter and know him to be as honest a police officer as you will ever meet.  His integrity is beyond reproach.  LAPD needs 10,000 cops just like him.</p>
<p>After two evedentiary hearings in federal court, which was in front of a magistrate judge and then a district court judge reviewed his findings that Lisker is acutally innocent, to say Lisker is &#8220;getting freedom because a bunch of do-gooders are casting doubt years after the verdict based upon the evidence, is uninformed and without merit.</p>
<p>Both judges noted that Lisker&#8217;s defense &#8220;effectively dismantled every piece of evidence used to convict him.&#8221;  This was an &#8220;actual innocence&#8221; petition under the &#8220;Schlup&#8221; decision.  The burden on the defense to prevail is much higher than that of a jury trial, where only reasonable doubt is needed.</p>
<p>The court further ruled that Lisker was convicted on &#8220;false evidence,&#8221; and &#8220;with the evidence that we know today no reasonable juror would convict Lisker.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Schlup&#8221; decision is actually referred to as the &#8220;actual innocence rule.&#8221;  Does everyone understand that, &#8220;actually innocent.&#8221;  Because Lisker&#8217;s petition was not timely filed the only &#8220;gateway&#8221; for the court to even hear the case was for Lisker to prove &#8220;actual innocence.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The bottom line, Lisker was not released because of some technicallity.  The court order his convictio to be overturned for several reasons, but the most compelling is that he was convicted on &#8220;false evidence; and not just a couple of items, everything that the prosecution presented to the jury.</p>
<p>By the way, the real killer is John Michael Ryan.  The court made comment on that too in that the police didn&#8217;t fully investigate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Jim Gavin I am very saddened to hear about the enormous burden this has caused you and your family. Bruce is extremely grateful to you for your courage and honesty. Your testimony in Judge Ralph Zarefskyâ€™s court that day was powerful and mind blowing. I was honored to be able to thank you in the hallway that day.  If Bruce was given the opportunity to speak with your boys he would tell them what a courageous man their father is. You are a true man of valor and honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Jim Gavin I am very saddened to hear about the enormous burden this has caused you and your family. Bruce is extremely grateful to you for your courage and honesty. Your testimony in Judge Ralph Zarefskyâ€™s court that day was powerful and mind blowing. I was honored to be able to thank you in the hallway that day.  If Bruce was given the opportunity to speak with your boys he would tell them what a courageous man their father is. You are a true man of valor and honor.</p>
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		<title>By: Sukhvinder Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sukhvinder Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction please. Five people were charged. % has been typed by mistake instead of 5.
Apologies for the mistake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction please. Five people were charged. % has been typed by mistake instead of 5.<br />
Apologies for the mistake</p>
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		<title>By: Sukhvinder Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sukhvinder Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute people like Mr Jim Gavin. He has done a good job for humanity by helping Bruce. American Government should have rewarded him for doin good for the Americans. His last sentence in comment above states that truth has no value but only evil. American Government should take neccessary steps to clear the rot. I being an Indian always thought that justice is done in USA. But Bruce&#039;s case has shown the the world the ugly picture of justice in USA. I request the Obama Administration to take neccessary steps to prove my feeling for the American system. BAck in India my parents-in-laws had to suffer the agony of the same kind. % people were charged for a murder which was a natural death. They had to spend 3 months in jail. I thought that there is no justice in India. But now I wonder, there is no justice in America as well. Thanks
                                   Sukhvinder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute people like Mr Jim Gavin. He has done a good job for humanity by helping Bruce. American Government should have rewarded him for doin good for the Americans. His last sentence in comment above states that truth has no value but only evil. American Government should take neccessary steps to clear the rot. I being an Indian always thought that justice is done in USA. But Bruce&#8217;s case has shown the the world the ugly picture of justice in USA. I request the Obama Administration to take neccessary steps to prove my feeling for the American system. BAck in India my parents-in-laws had to suffer the agony of the same kind. % people were charged for a murder which was a natural death. They had to spend 3 months in jail. I thought that there is no justice in India. But now I wonder, there is no justice in America as well. Thanks<br />
                                   Sukhvinder</p>
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