Comments on: Judge Dismisses Suzie Pena Lawsuit – UPDATED

By: Un Galan

Un Galan — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:53:20 +0000

Sarcasm, my old friend, they told me you were dead. Nice post Poetry Reading…

By: Woody

Woody — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:37:04 +0000

How’s that “poetry books for guns” program coming along?

By: Poetry Readings

Poetry Readings — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:00:57 +0000

Let’s all remember Raul Pena was another innocent victim of our society. If Raul had the opportunity to receive free drug counseling, parenting classes, poetry readings and lots of hugs from government funded empolyees, Raul would still be alive today. Shame on all of you for calling Raul Pena crazy, deadly, and loathsome, he was just huging his daughter.

By: Woody

Woody — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:50:00 +0000

Sure Fire, it was her “opinion” — not “inaccurate.”

By: Sure Fire

Sure Fire — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:22:34 +0000

Let me get this straight Celeste…

Raul Pena stated he was going to kill Suzie and take her to hell with him,” McMillian said.

Yet you stated Celeste…

But the videos clearly show that’s not what he was doing (using her as a shield). Pena was simply and insanely clutching the toddler as he shot—my guess is, to keep her from running and screaming due to the sound of the gunfire.

Are you kidding? The guy had already made clear that he was going to kill Suzie, and yet you think he cared about her running around and screaming? If he did it was because the cops might kill him, much quicker, without the position he had her in and his intentions for her were already known to the officers. Nothing he said or action he took showed that intel to not be accurate, he wanted to make sure she died as well and by keeping her close he felt that would happen.

Wow, talk about grasping at straws and being “inaccurate”.

By: Diane C

Diane C — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:00:09 +0000

The fact that the judge dismissed this case which would have held LAPD accountable for the death of Suzie Pena is indicative of how the Los Angeles Police Department and those involved in the political process views minorities. Had Mr. Pena been Caucasian I know that the stand-off would ended differently. Cooler heads would have prevailed! I’ve witnessed stand-offs in non-minority involved cases last much longer than three hours. Shame on the LAPD and the system that allows them to kill those that they should protect!

By: Celeste Fremon

Celeste Fremon — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:16:19 +0000

“Her husband’s actions were as close to shooting Suzie himself as one can get without his actually doing it.”

Agreed.

By: just decision

just decision — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:59:31 +0000

“And so the SWAT team members found themselves in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t situation. They made a choice. It turned out, by definition, to be the wrong one. They killed Suzie Pena.”

Nope.

Technically their bullets killed her. But they were-as all admit-doing their damndest NOT to hit her.

HER FATHER killed her by his insane, drug-induced, threatening and violent actions, not the SWAT team. HE is the responsible party bu his actions. It’s an incredible parsing of hairs to say she wasn’t a human shield. He took her there why? To either kill her himself or yes, use her as a shield. What were the police to do?

The desperate beliefs of a grieving (abused) mother about what her monster husband was and wasn’t capable of is meaningless in that situation (you imply she was right, all emotions included, and that the police should have heeded her by not storming the office). Her husband’s actions were as close to shooting Suzie himself as one can get without his actually doing it. It’s secondhand “suicide by cop” turned into “infanticide via cop”. Glad the judge agreed.

By: Woody

Woody — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:48:28 +0000

In the future, just consider everything that I say as an “opinion.”

Apparently, that’s how to avoid criticism over information that one shares.

In my opinion, I’m always right.

By: Celeste Fremon

Celeste Fremon — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:10:06 +0000

Oh, blah, blah, blah.

I formed an opinion, which was stated as an opinion (as opposed to unassailable truth), based all the facts I could at the time access, and much, much research.

Then today, I revised my opinion and said as much, and linked to the old opinion so that people could compare and form their own conclusions.

Those I criticized didn’t bother to check their facts for accuracy, which—call me crazy—I see as something of a problem.

Get a freaking grip.