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		<title>By: CJ Shire</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Shire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an &quot;Assault Prevention Specialist&quot;.  I cannot believe that the mayor on down in this great city of LA have so calliously acted as if rape was a &quot;bother&quot;.  I believe these politicians would act or make decisions against this heinous act differently if there daughter, girlfriend, wife or even mother has been sexually assaulted.  Not only will I NOW do what I can but I ask all of you who can volunteer and join me.  ONE out of every 6 women have or will be sexually assaulted or suffer a forcible rape within their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an &#8220;Assault Prevention Specialist&#8221;.  I cannot believe that the mayor on down in this great city of LA have so calliously acted as if rape was a &#8220;bother&#8221;.  I believe these politicians would act or make decisions against this heinous act differently if there daughter, girlfriend, wife or even mother has been sexually assaulted.  Not only will I NOW do what I can but I ask all of you who can volunteer and join me.  ONE out of every 6 women have or will be sexually assaulted or suffer a forcible rape within their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Fact Checker</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/lapd/2008/admin/about-the-lapd-those-rape-kits/comment-page-1/#comment-64514</link>
		<dc:creator>Fact Checker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to Identify Rapists from DNA, A Long, Tedious Process, by Rachel Uranga in Daily News today.

A good article that tells us a lot more info than Chick&#039;s &quot;audit&quot; which rehashes what the public safety committee already learned and proposed a plan to remedy.  You&#039;re also unfairly bashing them, Celeste, when the problem is that the 16 scientists they identified as needed for the job just were not approved for funding by the Council, because that takes a majority and the rest of them have their pet projects.  And often, only when the public and media cry out for something do they prioritize it as a budget item.  For now, it&#039;s been limited to hiring cops by the LAPD.  

(The first version didn&#039;t go thru so I&#039;m resubmitting with this -- apologies if they both turn up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to Identify Rapists from DNA, A Long, Tedious Process, by Rachel Uranga in Daily News today.</p>
<p>A good article that tells us a lot more info than Chick&#8217;s &#8220;audit&#8221; which rehashes what the public safety committee already learned and proposed a plan to remedy.  You&#8217;re also unfairly bashing them, Celeste, when the problem is that the 16 scientists they identified as needed for the job just were not approved for funding by the Council, because that takes a majority and the rest of them have their pet projects.  And often, only when the public and media cry out for something do they prioritize it as a budget item.  For now, it&#8217;s been limited to hiring cops by the LAPD.  </p>
<p>(The first version didn&#8217;t go thru so I&#8217;m resubmitting with this &#8212; apologies if they both turn up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fact Checker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fact Checker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to Identify Rapists from DNA, A Long, Tedious Process, by Rachel Uranga in Daily News today.

A good article that tells us a lot more info than Chick&#039;s &quot;audit&quot; which rehashes what the public safety committee already learned and proposed a plan to remedy.  You&#039;re also unfairly bashing them, Celeste, when the problem is that the 16 scientists they identified as needed for the job just were not approved for funding by the Council, because that takes a majority and the rest of them have their pet projects.  And often, only when the public and media cry out for something do they prioritize it as a budget item.  For now, it&#039;s been limited to hiring cops by the LAPD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to Identify Rapists from DNA, A Long, Tedious Process, by Rachel Uranga in Daily News today.</p>
<p>A good article that tells us a lot more info than Chick&#8217;s &#8220;audit&#8221; which rehashes what the public safety committee already learned and proposed a plan to remedy.  You&#8217;re also unfairly bashing them, Celeste, when the problem is that the 16 scientists they identified as needed for the job just were not approved for funding by the Council, because that takes a majority and the rest of them have their pet projects.  And often, only when the public and media cry out for something do they prioritize it as a budget item.  For now, it&#8217;s been limited to hiring cops by the LAPD.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LAPD makes Palin&#039;s little town that charged for Rape Tests look like a great deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LAPD makes Palin&#8217;s little town that charged for Rape Tests look like a great deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Fact Checker</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/lapd/2008/admin/about-the-lapd-those-rape-kits/comment-page-1/#comment-64403</link>
		<dc:creator>Fact Checker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, looking again at the Daily News piece (written by Rick Orlov) and his column about it in Sausage Factory, seems he&#039;s not exactly presenting Smith&#039;s whole quote when he says that the Committee has been &quot;looking at&quot; the issue for a year.  (Per my comment above, they&#039;ve done a lot more and moved Chick to do an audit which rehashes what the Committee already learned -- at what cost, I wonder?  Did she spend $500,000 on an outside report to berate LAPD and the city for losing out on that amount?)  

Orlov is solidly a Valley-ite, conservative suburban, and his stories are generally twisted against anything to do with metro LA, the Council or the Mayor&#039;s office.  While I&#039;m no &quot;progressive&quot; leftie, I do resent the bias against the sheer geography of metro LA and especially the westside from conservatives and those on the Eastside.  (Orlov&#039;s more of a Ron Kaye holdover as I read him.)  In contrast to new editor Carolina Garcia, who has her own very polar opposite slant usually.  Orlov even seems to think Smith isn&#039;t Republican enough, a sell-out, and seems to enjoy making him out to be a lot more ineffectual than is the case.  Orlov&#039;s faction has been on the bandwagon calling the Mayor a liar for not putting literally every penny of the trash tax towards new hires, and has ignored Weiss and Smith&#039;s pleas to LAPD and Council to fund the scientists.  Like Rutten and the rest who only see a story when they&#039;re hit on the head with a catchy scandal.

These are just some of the nuances lost by having their owner/ Chief Editor (whatever his title is), Dean Singleton, outsourcing these sorts of local stories to a writer/ hack in India or China, absurd as that sounds.  (Referencing your earlier post.)  Reading between the lines of local coverage as well as what council colleagues say about each other is half the fun of following them.  Then again, maybe some guy in India would have put in Smith&#039;s whole quote and detailed their efforts instead of infusing it with the writer&#039;s bias.

It&#039;s pretty unusual to have Smith come out so publicly against another City official, but I think it&#039;s justified by her grandstanding and carefully contrived public anguish over the situation, without giving any credit where it&#039;s due.

Nothing in Chick&#039;s report adds anything or tells us what&#039;s really going on inside LAPD on this -- blaming everyone isn&#039;t helpful.  Did the PS Committee manage in the last year to awaken their awareness, or was it just the debacle of the recent revelations about losing fed funding and the backlog?  Doesn&#039;t the LAPD already have the lab?  Isn&#039;t there also a similar issue the PS Committee&#039;s been pressing them on involving hiring anti-terror experts, where a shiny new lab and control center exists (the same one?) but lacks staffing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, looking again at the Daily News piece (written by Rick Orlov) and his column about it in Sausage Factory, seems he&#8217;s not exactly presenting Smith&#8217;s whole quote when he says that the Committee has been &#8220;looking at&#8221; the issue for a year.  (Per my comment above, they&#8217;ve done a lot more and moved Chick to do an audit which rehashes what the Committee already learned &#8212; at what cost, I wonder?  Did she spend $500,000 on an outside report to berate LAPD and the city for losing out on that amount?)  </p>
<p>Orlov is solidly a Valley-ite, conservative suburban, and his stories are generally twisted against anything to do with metro LA, the Council or the Mayor&#8217;s office.  While I&#8217;m no &#8220;progressive&#8221; leftie, I do resent the bias against the sheer geography of metro LA and especially the westside from conservatives and those on the Eastside.  (Orlov&#8217;s more of a Ron Kaye holdover as I read him.)  In contrast to new editor Carolina Garcia, who has her own very polar opposite slant usually.  Orlov even seems to think Smith isn&#8217;t Republican enough, a sell-out, and seems to enjoy making him out to be a lot more ineffectual than is the case.  Orlov&#8217;s faction has been on the bandwagon calling the Mayor a liar for not putting literally every penny of the trash tax towards new hires, and has ignored Weiss and Smith&#8217;s pleas to LAPD and Council to fund the scientists.  Like Rutten and the rest who only see a story when they&#8217;re hit on the head with a catchy scandal.</p>
<p>These are just some of the nuances lost by having their owner/ Chief Editor (whatever his title is), Dean Singleton, outsourcing these sorts of local stories to a writer/ hack in India or China, absurd as that sounds.  (Referencing your earlier post.)  Reading between the lines of local coverage as well as what council colleagues say about each other is half the fun of following them.  Then again, maybe some guy in India would have put in Smith&#8217;s whole quote and detailed their efforts instead of infusing it with the writer&#8217;s bias.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty unusual to have Smith come out so publicly against another City official, but I think it&#8217;s justified by her grandstanding and carefully contrived public anguish over the situation, without giving any credit where it&#8217;s due.</p>
<p>Nothing in Chick&#8217;s report adds anything or tells us what&#8217;s really going on inside LAPD on this &#8212; blaming everyone isn&#8217;t helpful.  Did the PS Committee manage in the last year to awaken their awareness, or was it just the debacle of the recent revelations about losing fed funding and the backlog?  Doesn&#8217;t the LAPD already have the lab?  Isn&#8217;t there also a similar issue the PS Committee&#8217;s been pressing them on involving hiring anti-terror experts, where a shiny new lab and control center exists (the same one?) but lacks staffing?</p>
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		<title>By: Fact Checker</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/lapd/2008/admin/about-the-lapd-those-rape-kits/comment-page-1/#comment-64401</link>
		<dc:creator>Fact Checker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just from what I&#039;ve read, seems the PS Committee was holding weekly meetings with someone from LAPD to not just formulate the plan, identify resources and options etc.  Sounds like there wasn&#039;t the will inside LAPD to get moving faster. (Cuz they were also focused on hiring cops and numbers.)  And they also created a city-wide citizen task force inviting interested parties like people at rape counseling centers, to offer input and data and collectively pressure the media and their colleagues as well as LAPD.  It was that pressure which called Chick&#039;s attention to the matter in the first place.  But maybe you can get Smith or Weiss to explain themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just from what I&#8217;ve read, seems the PS Committee was holding weekly meetings with someone from LAPD to not just formulate the plan, identify resources and options etc.  Sounds like there wasn&#8217;t the will inside LAPD to get moving faster. (Cuz they were also focused on hiring cops and numbers.)  And they also created a city-wide citizen task force inviting interested parties like people at rape counseling centers, to offer input and data and collectively pressure the media and their colleagues as well as LAPD.  It was that pressure which called Chick&#8217;s attention to the matter in the first place.  But maybe you can get Smith or Weiss to explain themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, fact checker.  I just put a link to the Greg Smith thingy up.  On the other hand, WFT was the public safety committe doing in a year?  How long does it take to &quot;formulate a plan?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, fact checker.  I just put a link to the Greg Smith thingy up.  On the other hand, WFT was the public safety committe doing in a year?  How long does it take to &#8220;formulate a plan?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fact Checker</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/lapd/2008/admin/about-the-lapd-those-rape-kits/comment-page-1/#comment-64398</link>
		<dc:creator>Fact Checker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also an article in the Daily News, about how Greig Smith took Chick to task for tarring the whole Council with one broad brush, whereas the Public Safety Committee that he serves on has been beating the drum about this issue for over a year.  Holding weekly meetings, formulating the specific plan to hire and train 13 forensic scientists, meanwhile to use outside labs (since LAPD claims it takes 2 years to train a scientist internally).  As you say, Weiss has &quot;been making a fuss,&quot; and gave $100,000 from his own funds to process some of the backlog, to call attention to the issue -- way before the news of this lost $500,000 missing grant made the papers.  (As I recall, it was some sort of Catch-22 problem:  the Dept. didn&#039;t want to just squander the money until they had the scientists to do the work, but since they didn&#039;t spend the money that fiscal year the feds assumed the dept. didn&#039;t need any more.)

But the papers had not been taking the issue seriously until they pounced on the dept. losing out on these matching funds.  Rutten&#039;s article is right to point out that part of the problem with the Mayor&#039;s actually apparently voting against funding for the issue, because he made the mistake of promising that &quot;every penny&quot; of the trash fee hikes would go toward &quot;hiring more cops,&quot; so the public and media have been claiming he lied, since Chick&#039;s earlier audit showed that much of the money went to other dept. needs.  He boxed himself in with that one sentence, whereas those funds should legitimately be going toward the forensic scientists and other essential needs as well.

Now that Chick has just rehashed the problem without even a mention to the Public Safety Committee&#039;s work, Smith seems right that she&#039;s disrespectful and downright inaccurate in her grandstanding about the issue.  She&#039;s been accused of this kind of thing before -- just rehashing existing info to grab headlines, even if she knowingly and unfairly throws others under the bus.  

And the media didn&#039;t listen or make efforts to influence LAPD policy until she released an &quot;impartial audit,&quot; and they could blast LAPD for losing the funds.  Hopefully it was just an oversight on her part, as she claims -- but that would mean she&#039;s much less informed about what&#039;s been happening than she claims.

The good thing is there&#039;s finally attention to the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also an article in the Daily News, about how Greig Smith took Chick to task for tarring the whole Council with one broad brush, whereas the Public Safety Committee that he serves on has been beating the drum about this issue for over a year.  Holding weekly meetings, formulating the specific plan to hire and train 13 forensic scientists, meanwhile to use outside labs (since LAPD claims it takes 2 years to train a scientist internally).  As you say, Weiss has &#8220;been making a fuss,&#8221; and gave $100,000 from his own funds to process some of the backlog, to call attention to the issue &#8212; way before the news of this lost $500,000 missing grant made the papers.  (As I recall, it was some sort of Catch-22 problem:  the Dept. didn&#8217;t want to just squander the money until they had the scientists to do the work, but since they didn&#8217;t spend the money that fiscal year the feds assumed the dept. didn&#8217;t need any more.)</p>
<p>But the papers had not been taking the issue seriously until they pounced on the dept. losing out on these matching funds.  Rutten&#8217;s article is right to point out that part of the problem with the Mayor&#8217;s actually apparently voting against funding for the issue, because he made the mistake of promising that &#8220;every penny&#8221; of the trash fee hikes would go toward &#8220;hiring more cops,&#8221; so the public and media have been claiming he lied, since Chick&#8217;s earlier audit showed that much of the money went to other dept. needs.  He boxed himself in with that one sentence, whereas those funds should legitimately be going toward the forensic scientists and other essential needs as well.</p>
<p>Now that Chick has just rehashed the problem without even a mention to the Public Safety Committee&#8217;s work, Smith seems right that she&#8217;s disrespectful and downright inaccurate in her grandstanding about the issue.  She&#8217;s been accused of this kind of thing before &#8212; just rehashing existing info to grab headlines, even if she knowingly and unfairly throws others under the bus.  </p>
<p>And the media didn&#8217;t listen or make efforts to influence LAPD policy until she released an &#8220;impartial audit,&#8221; and they could blast LAPD for losing the funds.  Hopefully it was just an oversight on her part, as she claims &#8212; but that would mean she&#8217;s much less informed about what&#8217;s been happening than she claims.</p>
<p>The good thing is there&#8217;s finally attention to the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please cut the serial personal attacks against Woody (or anybody).  It stifles comment.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please cut the serial personal attacks against Woody (or anybody).  It stifles comment.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: BRAIN FART</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRAIN FART</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOODY/BRAIN.COM file closed. (A)rgue (R)etry (I)nstall Windows (F)orget It.</description>
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