Comments on: An Alternative for LWOP Kids and Other Lawbreaking Juvies http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/ street news, views and stories of justice and injustice Thu, 24 May 2012 03:38:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sure Fire http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182461 Sure Fire Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:41:22 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182461 At least you didn't argue the fact you lied which is s.o.p. with guys that have no game, good for you Donnie. At least you didn’t argue the fact you lied which is s.o.p. with guys that have no game, good for you Donnie.

]]> By: don quixote http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182459 don quixote Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:58:07 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182459 You couldn't have been anything else SF, your negotiating skills have been on constant display here for us all to admire. You couldn’t have been anything else SF, your negotiating skills have been on constant display here for us all to admire.

]]> By: Sure Fire http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182457 Sure Fire Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:42:29 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182457 I was in fact a hostage negotiator Donnie, my last 5 years, but it was on an on-call basis as I had other duties as well. Worked in a locked down psych facility when I retired until other opportunities came up. You should read up on some of the things I post instead of jumping off the deep end every day, you might learn a thing or two. I was in fact a hostage negotiator Donnie, my last 5 years, but it was on an on-call basis as I had other duties as well. Worked in a locked down psych facility when I retired until other opportunities came up. You should read up on some of the things I post instead of jumping off the deep end every day, you might learn a thing or two.

]]> By: don quixote http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182456 don quixote Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:32:50 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182456 "Having worked as a psych counselor I guess I have some insight on the issue Don" A psych counselor! Holy shit! Were you one of those psych counselors that's paid to talk people out of jumping, but then claim "they all jump anyway" ? Give us a couple of your infamous anecdotes, please! “Having worked as a psych counselor I guess I have some insight on the issue Don”

A psych counselor! Holy shit! Were you one of those psych counselors that’s paid to talk people out of jumping, but then claim “they all jump anyway” ?

Give us a couple of your infamous anecdotes, please!

]]> By: Sure Fire http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182454 Sure Fire Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:51:40 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182454 One problem with the far left crazies like Don and Rob is they'll lie about what posters, they disagree with, have said and is sitting on a board like this for everyone to see. Real smart guys. One problem with the far left crazies like Don and Rob is they’ll lie about what posters, they disagree with, have said and is sitting on a board like this for everyone to see.

Real smart guys.

]]> By: Sure Fire http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182453 Sure Fire Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:49:32 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182453 Having worked as a psych counselor I guess I have some insight on the issue Don. Maybe you should take a class in reading retention before you post bs about what I said. ----------- The Task Force Celeste wrote about said..”Wouldn’t it make more sense, task-force members reasoned, to reserve incarceration for those who posed a threat to public safety? For youngsters who are not deemed dangerous, other methods seem more reasonable. “The state should treat and rehabilitate them, not hurt and harden them,” wrote the task force”. I’m saying the exact same thing unless the same youngster has been treated over and over again and still isn’t getting the message. ---------- Wear that dunce hat proudly Don. You and Rob Thomas apparently share the same brain. Having worked as a psych counselor I guess I have some insight on the issue Don. Maybe you should take a class in reading retention before you post bs about what I said.
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The Task Force Celeste wrote about said..”Wouldn’t it make more sense, task-force members reasoned, to reserve incarceration for those who posed a threat to public safety? For youngsters who are not deemed dangerous, other methods seem more reasonable. “The state should treat and rehabilitate them, not hurt and harden them,” wrote the task force”. I’m saying the exact same thing unless the same youngster has been treated over and over again and still isn’t getting the message.
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Wear that dunce hat proudly Don. You and Rob Thomas apparently share the same brain.

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182443 Woody Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:54:21 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182443 C: <i>GAY, YOUNG & HOMELESS</i> I bet there are pretty good odds that they were once only young and homeless before being "befriended." C: GAY, YOUNG & HOMELESS

I bet there are pretty good odds that they were once only young and homeless before being “befriended.”

]]> By: don quixote http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182439 don quixote Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:15:55 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182439 Faked mental illness? Well it's obvious here that not all mental illness is faked, the obsessive lock em up and throw aways the key rantings of of WLA's own house psycho SF is empirical proof of that. Faked mental illness? Well it’s obvious here that not all mental illness is faked, the obsessive lock em up and throw aways the key rantings of of WLA’s own house psycho SF is empirical proof of that.

]]> By: Sure Fire http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182432 Sure Fire Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:19:27 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182432 Like I asked Mavis, what would be the possible advantage to society to allow certain young people who have committed the worst of crimes to have the chance to act out again? The Task Force Celeste wrote about said.."Wouldn’t it make more sense, task-force members reasoned, to reserve incarceration for those who posed a threat to public safety? For youngsters who are not deemed dangerous, other methods seem more reasonable. “The state should treat and rehabilitate them, not hurt and harden them,” wrote the task force". I'm saying the exact same thing unless the same youngster has been treated over and over again and stilll isn't getting the message. Fuck him, spend the money on someone who learns after a mistake. I didn't see you list any advantage Mavis. Studies show that kids learn the behavior they exhibit throughout their life at a pretty young age. In these times there are much more resources for them to learn how to handle any conflicts they have by the use of violence. Parents, in my opinion have it tougher now than when I was growing up, way tougher. In my childhood if I was out on the street and misbehaving, or any of my friends as well, any parent could discipline us to straighten out our behavior. Trust me, it was almost always needed and it worked. The whole neighborhood knew each other and were of a like mind. Parents kept order, it was one of their jobs. Try that today and see how quick a lawsuit gets thrown. Sometimes due to their own negligence, and sometimes due to the amount of time it takes for a parent or parents to just make ends meet, their children are raised by pc's, tv's, video games and I Phones. Anyone whose surprised by the level of violence we see in some juvenile offenders today hasn't been paying a whole lot of attention to what's going on. As for Celeste and her constant wink and a nod to people who might pull a gun and cap a round as long as they don't hurt someone, or ride off with older gangsters as if not knowing what they might end up doing and end up looking at time when they shoot someone for being in the wrong area (or even right one), well I think the criminal justice system has a duty to protect society from people with such poor impulse control they act in that type of manner. To blame it on mental illness, that gets faked day in and day out by people trying to avoid responsibility for their violent actions, or an uncaring system or to lash out at government workers like all of them are corrupt are the words of a dunce. Like I asked Mavis, what would be the possible advantage to society to allow certain young people who have committed the worst of crimes to have the chance to act out again? The Task Force Celeste wrote about said..”Wouldn’t it make more sense, task-force members reasoned, to reserve incarceration for those who posed a threat to public safety? For youngsters who are not deemed dangerous, other methods seem more reasonable. “The state should treat and rehabilitate them, not hurt and harden them,” wrote the task force”. I’m saying the exact same thing unless the same youngster has been treated over and over again and stilll isn’t getting the message. Fuck him, spend the money on someone who learns after a mistake.

I didn’t see you list any advantage Mavis. Studies show that kids learn the behavior they exhibit throughout their life at a pretty young age. In these times there are much more resources for them to learn how to handle any conflicts they have by the use of violence. Parents, in my opinion have it tougher now than when I was growing up, way tougher.

In my childhood if I was out on the street and misbehaving, or any of my friends as well, any parent could discipline us to straighten out our behavior. Trust me, it was almost always needed and it worked. The whole neighborhood knew each other and were of a like mind. Parents kept order, it was one of their jobs.

Try that today and see how quick a lawsuit gets thrown. Sometimes due to their own negligence, and sometimes due to the amount of time it takes for a parent or parents to just make ends meet, their children are raised by pc’s, tv’s, video games and I Phones. Anyone whose surprised by the level of violence we see in some juvenile offenders today hasn’t been paying a whole lot of attention to what’s going on.

As for Celeste and her constant wink and a nod to people who might pull a gun and cap a round as long as they don’t hurt someone, or ride off with older gangsters as if not knowing what they might end up doing and end up looking at time when they shoot someone for being in the wrong area (or even right one), well I think the criminal justice system has a duty to protect society from people with such poor impulse control they act in that type of manner.

To blame it on mental illness, that gets faked day in and day out by people trying to avoid responsibility for their violent actions, or an uncaring system or to lash out at government workers like all of them are corrupt are the words of a dunce.

]]> By: don quixote http://witnessla.com/justice-injustice-alerts/2010/admin/an-alternative-for-lwop-kids-and-other-lawbreaking-juvies/comment-page-1/#comment-182430 don quixote Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:49:21 +0000 http://witnessla.com/?p=15783#comment-182430 Just an individual, non scientific observation on my part Celeste, but doesn't it seem that the level of mental illness, including sociopathic behavior, has risen at a rate much greater than in previous generations? Is it due to an abundance of crack baby's growing to adulthood, kids growing up in a more violent society, a severe national philosophy of dog eat dog, a government that for various reasons treats the underclass like subhumans that deserve no attention unless it's a punitive judicial one. An example is the LA County Probation Dept (largest in the country or world), where the obvious and prevalent attitude is one where the client is despised and put on the pay no mind list. Where civil servants by and large are only concerned with their retirement benefits and the cost of a new BMW or homes in Corona or Canyon Country? Sometimes I look around at all the mentally ill on the street, the depravity, and the take a number and wait attitude of the civil servants who are paid to serve these people, and wonder what we can do to fix this broken system. Then I read articles like your post about the Care Givers, Foster Parents, Juvenile Probation officers and caretakers, abusing and beating the shit out of these troubled mentally ill kids, and envision an even bleaker future for us all. What’s the solution going to be? Just an individual, non scientific observation on my part Celeste, but doesn’t it seem that the level of mental illness, including sociopathic behavior, has risen at a rate much greater than in previous generations?
Is it due to an abundance of crack baby’s growing to adulthood, kids growing up in a more violent society, a severe national philosophy of dog eat dog, a government that for various reasons treats the underclass like subhumans that deserve no attention unless it’s a punitive judicial one.
An example is the LA County Probation Dept (largest in the country or world), where the obvious and prevalent attitude is one where the client is despised and put on the pay no mind list. Where civil servants by and large are only concerned with their retirement benefits and the cost of a new BMW or homes in Corona or Canyon Country?
Sometimes I look around at all the mentally ill on the street, the depravity, and the take a number and wait attitude of the civil servants who are paid to serve these people, and wonder what we can do to fix this broken system.

Then I read articles like your post about the Care Givers, Foster Parents, Juvenile Probation officers and caretakers, abusing and beating the shit out of these troubled mentally ill kids, and envision an even bleaker future for us all.
What’s the solution going to be?

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