Comments on: Pedro Guzman Returns (No Thanks to the U.S. Government) – UPDATED

By: Emma Salazar-Duffield

Emma Salazar-Duffield — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:59:46 +0000

Los Angeles County is not the brightest star shining in the skies as far as intelligence they do violate people’s rights, human, civil and consitutional. I have seen it first hand, I have also seen them black list people to where they could not even get a job. Mind you, I am an ex-government employee, who has seen the tactics, abuses and ploys exercised by our county and city governments. Truths are twisted, lies are concockted to save their skins and their pensions. Gloria Molina has long forgotten who put her in office, while she once accepted money raised from the ladies making tamales and aiding her to get elected, now she frowns on them as she never knew them! It is not only the immigrants that suffer the abuse, a large majority of the victims are women, and no one wants to hear it and take responsibility for it. No one has courage to defend them, as our government sees no mor than if they were chattel, and if you defend yourself you are labled as a trouble maker. Those in power got there to that high position by having no integrity and stepping on people. Don’t kid yourselves, I am sure that Pedro endured more than what he is sharing, but as a matter of dignity and respect to himself, and the shame that he was a victim he is not sharing all.

Currently there are women who have been gang raped by the police in this county when they were stopped for an alleged infraction, and the irony is those women lost all and the criminal cops are still on our tax payrolls and doing it to other women, why? because judges in places are a part of the good ol’ boy society and rewarded them for adding another knotch to their belts of cowardness. If those judges and officer were real men with cojones and honor, they would have removed themselves once burnt out. Some of these women were coerced into signing pleas of guilt for violations they did not committ, and you know why? thinking that all these would go away and it didn’t it just began. In one occassion one woman plead guilty to resisting arrest after having been beaten and raped in front of her minor sons by several officers, and her resisting arrest conviction which is a misdameanor, nothing more than an infraction she was given a sentence of 3 years probation, 200 hours of community service,and a hugh fine of several thousands of dollars, while the Paris Hiltons, Nicole Ritche’s Lindsay Lohan’ are given a smile and hotel cell. IS THAT JUSTICE. Of course it isn’t it just that they have the potential to donate money to the politicians and judges, and all the others that feel need to have their palms greased.

Don’t be so quick to judge Predro he was a victim, Consider this and other things can happen to you or yours.

By: Emma Salazar-Duffield

Emma Salazar-Duffield — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:42:11 +0000

Los Angeles County is not the bightest star shining in the skies as far as intelligence they do violate peoples rights, human, civil and consitutional. I have seen it first hand, I have also seen them black list people to where they could not even get a job. Mind you I am an ex-government employee, who has seen the tactics, abuses and ploys exercised by our county and city governments. Truths are twisted, lies are concockted to say their skins and their pensions. Gloria Molina has long forgotten who put her in office, while she once accepted money raised from the ladies making tamales and aiding her to get elected, now she frowns on them as she never knew them! It is not only the immigrnts that suffer the abuse, a a large majority of the victims are women, and no one wants to hear it and take responsibility for it. No one has courage to defend those, and if you defend yourself you are labled as a trouble maker. Those in power got there by having no integrity and stepping on people. Don’t kid yourselves, I am sure that Pedro endured more than what he is sharing, but as a matter of dignity and shame that he was a victim he is not sharing all.

By: Pilar Vazquez

Pilar Vazquez — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:09:22 +0000

The law suit will be successful if they base this case on the lack of interest the authority to look for him after they had violated the first and the fifth articles of the US Constitution and many other legal procedures while the focused about profoling him. Good luck to him and his family in the overcome to this horrible story.
This time the square minded system didn’t follow the book.

By: listener_on_the_sidelines

listener_on_the_sidelines — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:46:27 +0000

Thanks, again poplock. Your comments offer a boatload of context. Real good stuff.

How much is a lawsuit involving discrimination against a mentally ill person going for???? I dunno, but I have a feeling LASD is going to find out.

I’m with you on the depressing comments, Celeste.

By: Celeste Fremon

Celeste Fremon — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:59:27 +0000

Poplock, all your phone comments are dead on the money. To add to it, Guzman was not able to memorize telephone numbers but had his brother’s number written on a scrap of paper that he carried with him in a tiny, plastic container. It evidently disappeared after that first call.

Yeah, I think LASD is going to end up being bigtime liable for certain. Prior to his discharge interview, he’d told a deputy he was born in the U.S.. Then, evidently, he believed he was going home (he was to go home and have an ankle bracelet for the remaining 20 days) and just said “yes” to anything they asked him without complete comprehension.

Also, LASD had his previous record that indicated he was a citizen.

As for ICE, beats me. Incompetence seems to be running amok everywhere you look. I certainly can say, the state doesn’t do any better. I’m reporting on someone right now who’s in North Kern County where they’ve had an INS hold on him for months, even though his wife sent them his County General-born birth certificate weeks and weeks ago.

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And for anyone else who happens to still be reading this thread: I agree with Mavis…..there are some mighty depressing comments here about appropriate treatment for the mentally disabled. Good lord.

By: poplock

poplock — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:12:04 +0000

Will LASD give up the Money?
Then I thought that LASD is liable – due to his criminal acts and demeanor at the time of the arrest, a pychological evaluation request form should have been filled out and a referral process completed, with or without a criminal past or being an illegal.
This means that this type of mistakes against a mentally ill person can re-occur time after time again. I read somewhere that it has happened more than once before. The procedure is not working and Guzman was a victim of a failed policy. How much is a lawsuit involving discrimination against a mentally ill person going for????

By: poplock

poplock — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:44:11 +0000

Last I know, calling collect from Tijuana Mexico to the U.S. runs an average of $1 dollar a minute. At a residence home and at a discounted land line price, it runs like 50 cents a minute. Even a cell phone to cell phone call within Tijuana runs like $3.00 a minute plus unexplained fees. Its like three times the amount on a cell phone from Tijuana to the U.S as well. How do you think that Lebanon guy in Mexico got to be the riches guy in the world. Whoever allowed him to have a quick cell phone call was probably being really REALLY generous and economically well off. Most people use cell phones for only incoming calls, text messeging, or nextel walkie talkie exchange. Even drug dealers dont call each other long distance. Moreover, in Tijuana you never let anyone use your cell phone, running after a petty thief is not funny. Morover, its not easy to figure out the public phones in Mexico. Some public phones, you need to buy a pre-paid calling card just to kick start the phone booth.
Here is were I believe that the guy’s story is legit on not being able to call the U.S. If he is a disable person, it would pretty hard to figure out or get an explaination on using a public phone. Someone would have to basically stand next to you and explain it step by step or physically do it for you. Sad thing is that the majority of people in Tijuana (due to not trusting anyone) will just look at this guy and walk the opposite direction. I dont blame them.

Now on walking from Tijuana to Mexcali….that’s a straight bullshit lie.

Here is where I dont get the facts on the government side. If LA County Sheriffs handed over Guzman to ICE (the feds-Homeland Security), ICE has procedures to run a person again and again, run prints, confirm social security numbers, request a certify birth certificate from the country of orgin for identity confirmation (in case he jumps back in), and will ask the country if the person being deported is warranted for a serious crime. All this must be completed prior to getting your ass kick back to your home sweet home. The feds “detain and release” policy is only allowed and used at the discretion of officers at the Mexican border. This policy is only applied to those of Mexican orgin, all other foreigners get detained, processed, and deported. Someone please help me out here. Is ICE/Homeland Security so incompetent???
Someone once told me that those guys are just your C-average high school diploma who act like circus clowns and monkeys at the border. More like a rented security. The salary sucks and the people are mostly clueless. I thought it was over something personal the guy expericenced at the crossing but its starting to sound legit.

By: Woody

Woody — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:37:51 +0000

Compassion doesn’t mean that you become co-dependent and cover for the mistakes of misfits. You can be compassionate to someone getting ready to hit the electric chair and know at the same time that the criminal is getting his just reward.

By: maggie

maggie — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:05:53 +0000

Mavis, a “confused mentally disabled person” should not be in a position to be “wandering onto an airfield.” That is the point. IF he’s like a child mentally, he should be treated like one and cared for like a child by his family — in this case, he clearly has a family — for his safety and the public’s. Instead, they abrogated that responsibility to let someone they knew was unfit to be roaming the streets alone, to do just that and get in trouble. And then, they are suing the government, when they should have been doing their jobs.

This is not to say that the government didn’t err, too; if they could see he was mentally unstable, they should have referred him for mental observation someone, not send him across the border — so I believe he must have let them to believe that he lived in Mexico. But again, this would never have happened if he’d been properly supervised by his family. To me, what is depressing is the left-liberal notion that the government should absolve individuals and their families of responsibility.

By: listener_on_the_sidelines

listener_on_the_sidelines — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:40:04 +0000

Mavis, sort of sounds like you could use an antidote. I humbly recommend a dose of: http://tinyurl.com/36pfyk