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	<title>Comments on: The Death of Lily Burk&#8230;.What We Do NOT Know &#8211; UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 57 Betsy, yeah, Betsy, the State is bankrupt because of the leftists you mention. Please. The democrats cause the problem and then you ask if conservatives want to pay more taxes? Sure most conservatives support paying taxes to keep people safe, but not for the thousand and one other things liberals make them pay taxes for--like supporting Mexico. Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 57 Betsy, yeah, Betsy, the State is bankrupt because of the leftists you mention. Please. The democrats cause the problem and then you ask if conservatives want to pay more taxes? Sure most conservatives support paying taxes to keep people safe, but not for the thousand and one other things liberals make them pay taxes for&#8211;like supporting Mexico. Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don quixote, the first poster, is spewing out his usuall white men being the fault of everything philosophy. Of course he is well known for supporting illegal immigration, which allows unchecked millions of people, with criminal records in Mexico and elsewhere into the U.S. These criminals have already killed many, many Americans, but for Mr.quixote, it&#039;s just &quot;petty crime&quot;. A family man and father along with two of his sons, was cold bloodedly gunned down in broad daylight, in San Francisco, a city that follows don quixotes&#039; non-reactionary policies. Lily Burk could have been killed by any number of thousands of Mexican and other criminals roaming L.A. This doesn&#039;t matter though, to the non-reactionary, Don Quixote leftists. Instead, just like he says, and I agree but for different reasons, it&#039;s up to the white man, to get his hands dirty cleaning up the mess the far left has made of society. What could illegal immigration possibly have to do with Lily&#039;s murder?? Well, Mr. Samuels was released from prison, because of the financial collapse of California. It&#039;s too expensive to monitor and keep criminals in jail now, because the leftists that run California allowed illegal immigration to bankrupt the state. Well, at leftists like Don Quixote, can be satisfied that criminals aren&#039;t being treated too harshly and are being released early. All of that television in prison and the swimming pools and books, get kind of boring. 

P.S. Don&#039;t kid yourself folks, it is the lefts policies that have made life in big city America, dangerous and intolerable. Afterall, what have all of their social programs accomplished? Bring down the crime rate? NO. Lily was the victim of a devious and faulty life denying philosophy and agenda by some very evil people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don quixote, the first poster, is spewing out his usuall white men being the fault of everything philosophy. Of course he is well known for supporting illegal immigration, which allows unchecked millions of people, with criminal records in Mexico and elsewhere into the U.S. These criminals have already killed many, many Americans, but for Mr.quixote, it&#8217;s just &#8220;petty crime&#8221;. A family man and father along with two of his sons, was cold bloodedly gunned down in broad daylight, in San Francisco, a city that follows don quixotes&#8217; non-reactionary policies. Lily Burk could have been killed by any number of thousands of Mexican and other criminals roaming L.A. This doesn&#8217;t matter though, to the non-reactionary, Don Quixote leftists. Instead, just like he says, and I agree but for different reasons, it&#8217;s up to the white man, to get his hands dirty cleaning up the mess the far left has made of society. What could illegal immigration possibly have to do with Lily&#8217;s murder?? Well, Mr. Samuels was released from prison, because of the financial collapse of California. It&#8217;s too expensive to monitor and keep criminals in jail now, because the leftists that run California allowed illegal immigration to bankrupt the state. Well, at leftists like Don Quixote, can be satisfied that criminals aren&#8217;t being treated too harshly and are being released early. All of that television in prison and the swimming pools and books, get kind of boring. </p>
<p>P.S. Don&#8217;t kid yourself folks, it is the lefts policies that have made life in big city America, dangerous and intolerable. Afterall, what have all of their social programs accomplished? Bring down the crime rate? NO. Lily was the victim of a devious and faulty life denying philosophy and agenda by some very evil people.</p>
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		<title>By: A little bit of Monica in my life</title>
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		<dc:creator>A little bit of Monica in my life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You put things so delicately Manica. Not a likely happenstance. Put your bra and shoes back on and get back on the street corner pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put things so delicately Manica. Not a likely happenstance. Put your bra and shoes back on and get back on the street corner pig.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-violent offenders” despite a history of violent behavior — the kind of hopeless criminals should be left in jail &amp; the  27,000 who were convicted of murder should be killed! to reduce prison cost.  And all of you who disagree&quot; i BET you WONT when your MOM or Daughter,Son ETC is murderd or maybe even YOU!  Give me a good reason why we should not Kill murderers????? . It doesnt make any sense to keep paying tax money for these Basters to live, shit, &amp; eat &amp; pleasure one a nother by having anal sex!   they are good for nothing but to destroy other peoples life! We need Jail SPACE!! I hope a new law comes to affect that they would KILL all MURDERERS to REDUCE PRISON COST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-violent offenders” despite a history of violent behavior — the kind of hopeless criminals should be left in jail &amp; the  27,000 who were convicted of murder should be killed! to reduce prison cost.  And all of you who disagree&#8221; i BET you WONT when your MOM or Daughter,Son ETC is murderd or maybe even YOU!  Give me a good reason why we should not Kill murderers????? . It doesnt make any sense to keep paying tax money for these Basters to live, shit, &amp; eat &amp; pleasure one a nother by having anal sex!   they are good for nothing but to destroy other peoples life! We need Jail SPACE!! I hope a new law comes to affect that they would KILL all MURDERERS to REDUCE PRISON COST!</p>
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		<title>By: Sure Fire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sure Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee Betzee, I wonder if our being broke has anything to do with the over 56 billion in entitlements we&#039;ve been handing out yearly? Or maybe having 12% of the nations population and 32% of it&#039;s welfare recipients? we don&#039;t nee3d to be taxed any more, we need to vote all the cowards out and reallocate funds to where they&#039;ll do the most good.

Tom&#039;s right in his comments and I&#039;m sure some on the left would agree with him but don&#039;t have what it takes to go against their friends.  Wasn&#039;t it Mark Leno that thought possessing a little bit of child porn was no big deal? People like this are the leaders of our state?

As long as we have justices who worry about the little bit of pain a condemned prison goes through more than the barbaric act that put them on the gurney in the first place we won&#039;t be safe here.  It&#039;s a ridiculous set of procedures that have been set up to make it almost impossible to execute a prisoner in this sate. 

This is supposed to show how caring a people we are while on the other hand we eventually throw to the side the memories of people like Lily Burk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Betzee, I wonder if our being broke has anything to do with the over 56 billion in entitlements we&#8217;ve been handing out yearly? Or maybe having 12% of the nations population and 32% of it&#8217;s welfare recipients? we don&#8217;t nee3d to be taxed any more, we need to vote all the cowards out and reallocate funds to where they&#8217;ll do the most good.</p>
<p>Tom&#8217;s right in his comments and I&#8217;m sure some on the left would agree with him but don&#8217;t have what it takes to go against their friends.  Wasn&#8217;t it Mark Leno that thought possessing a little bit of child porn was no big deal? People like this are the leaders of our state?</p>
<p>As long as we have justices who worry about the little bit of pain a condemned prison goes through more than the barbaric act that put them on the gurney in the first place we won&#8217;t be safe here.  It&#8217;s a ridiculous set of procedures that have been set up to make it almost impossible to execute a prisoner in this sate. </p>
<p>This is supposed to show how caring a people we are while on the other hand we eventually throw to the side the memories of people like Lily Burk.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only Capital punishment was as aggressive and predicable as parking enforcement is in LA. 
 But it not because of all the silly hand-wringing.  And anyone that thinks the piece of human garbage only committed the crimes he was caught for is naive and foolish. 

  Here&#039;s what the &quot;social safety net&quot; should  really be.  Lock up forever or just exterminate the perpetual criminals of society.  
 All the Money and good intentions cannot keep us safe from these scum.  No doubt, in-time, it will be revealed Samuel skated on lots of felony charges , that were plead-down, that kept him from being snared by the CA three-strikes law earlier.  Now he gets Four strikes at once and the victim is DEAD. And even if this piece of human refuse gets death row, society wouldn&#039;t exterminate him for at least another quarter century. Right about the time Lily Burk would have been beginning menopause.  That is if she were still alive...

Sorry Lily.  
 But the progressives, the ACLU, the homeless advocates and  rest of the let-the-repressed-criminals-go-free crowd deemed last Friday that you and your parents had take one for the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only Capital punishment was as aggressive and predicable as parking enforcement is in LA.<br />
 But it not because of all the silly hand-wringing.  And anyone that thinks the piece of human garbage only committed the crimes he was caught for is naive and foolish. </p>
<p>  Here&#8217;s what the &#8220;social safety net&#8221; should  really be.  Lock up forever or just exterminate the perpetual criminals of society.<br />
 All the Money and good intentions cannot keep us safe from these scum.  No doubt, in-time, it will be revealed Samuel skated on lots of felony charges , that were plead-down, that kept him from being snared by the CA three-strikes law earlier.  Now he gets Four strikes at once and the victim is DEAD. And even if this piece of human refuse gets death row, society wouldn&#8217;t exterminate him for at least another quarter century. Right about the time Lily Burk would have been beginning menopause.  That is if she were still alive&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry Lily.<br />
 But the progressives, the ACLU, the homeless advocates and  rest of the let-the-repressed-criminals-go-free crowd deemed last Friday that you and your parents had take one for the team.</p>
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		<title>By: Betzee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betzee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Samuel was probably released in part because the state lacks the funds to keep him locked up. Are those who insist the problem is with &quot;the bleeding heart left&quot; willing to pay higher taxes to support longer prison terms? Last time I checked, the state was bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Samuel was probably released in part because the state lacks the funds to keep him locked up. Are those who insist the problem is with &#8220;the bleeding heart left&#8221; willing to pay higher taxes to support longer prison terms? Last time I checked, the state was bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody, was that you out there near Lecompton? I thought it was a red neck gang that had beat my best friend half to death and was going to do it to me.

Oh well.

PS - he got his revenge. Not much later, he was a cop, and they came to his town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody, was that you out there near Lecompton? I thought it was a red neck gang that had beat my best friend half to death and was going to do it to me.</p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; he got his revenge. Not much later, he was a cop, and they came to his town.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, was that you shooting at us?!  We just wanted you to play Twister with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, was that you shooting at us?!  We just wanted you to play Twister with us.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste, I couldn&#039;t listen to the &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&amp;t=1&amp;islist=false&amp;id=111218053&amp;m=111219918&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview of Sheeder Bonanno&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, but I finally did.  It&#039;s even more revealing.  

In going to her daughter&#039;s apartment, with the police there and the crowd waiting for the parents to arive to view them, she realized that she played, as in a movie, the role of &quot;Mother of the murdered daughter.&quot;  She mentioned that she felt the obligation to spare the policeman the difficult duty of having to say the words, so she asked simply for a &quot;yes&quot; answer that she knew was coming.

Her poem &quot;Nighttime Prayer,&quot; asking about her daughter&#039;s suffering in her final moments and how long it lasted, is so sad and equally painful.

She discusses her reaction to the trial and the victim impact statements at sentencing.  She read one of her poems to the murderer in her statement.

There is also her reaction to wanting the man to die even though she didn&#039;t support the death penalty.  If there wasn&#039;t a justice system, she would have sought him out and killed him herself...out of love for her child and family.  That was interesting.  The murderer was sentenced to life in prison without parole.  She couldn&#039;t feel free of her rage until he was incarcerated, plus she didn&#039;t have to deal with the guilt of the death penalty.

The poem &quot;Forgiveness&quot; is about the minister being obligated to ask her to forgive.  The church helped her to move forward.  

She has another poem for when the verdit &quot;Guilty&quot; was announced and what she felt.  She also shares her emotions when the mother of the murderer came meekly to her to say that she was sorry.  At first she despised that mother for bearing the child who would kill her daughter, and then she realized that they were the truest sisters and mothers with children they lost.

She had to write about her daughter&#039;s death, because that story stood in the way of other writing.  She wanted to pull the readers on board for a ride with her, where they couldn&#039;t step off, until the book was over.    

Celeste, I don&#039;t have a command of adjectives and emotions that you do and I can&#039;t do this topic justice with my business vocabulary, but this was a moving interview and worth the 47 minutes to hear it. 

As with most things in life, one can&#039;t begin to understand how someone else feels without having experienced something similar.  She brought us as close as she could with her writings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste, I couldn&#8217;t listen to the <b><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&amp;t=1&amp;islist=false&amp;id=111218053&amp;m=111219918" rel="nofollow">interview of Sheeder Bonanno</a></b>, but I finally did.  It&#8217;s even more revealing.  </p>
<p>In going to her daughter&#8217;s apartment, with the police there and the crowd waiting for the parents to arive to view them, she realized that she played, as in a movie, the role of &#8220;Mother of the murdered daughter.&#8221;  She mentioned that she felt the obligation to spare the policeman the difficult duty of having to say the words, so she asked simply for a &#8220;yes&#8221; answer that she knew was coming.</p>
<p>Her poem &#8220;Nighttime Prayer,&#8221; asking about her daughter&#8217;s suffering in her final moments and how long it lasted, is so sad and equally painful.</p>
<p>She discusses her reaction to the trial and the victim impact statements at sentencing.  She read one of her poems to the murderer in her statement.</p>
<p>There is also her reaction to wanting the man to die even though she didn&#8217;t support the death penalty.  If there wasn&#8217;t a justice system, she would have sought him out and killed him herself&#8230;out of love for her child and family.  That was interesting.  The murderer was sentenced to life in prison without parole.  She couldn&#8217;t feel free of her rage until he was incarcerated, plus she didn&#8217;t have to deal with the guilt of the death penalty.</p>
<p>The poem &#8220;Forgiveness&#8221; is about the minister being obligated to ask her to forgive.  The church helped her to move forward.  </p>
<p>She has another poem for when the verdit &#8220;Guilty&#8221; was announced and what she felt.  She also shares her emotions when the mother of the murderer came meekly to her to say that she was sorry.  At first she despised that mother for bearing the child who would kill her daughter, and then she realized that they were the truest sisters and mothers with children they lost.</p>
<p>She had to write about her daughter&#8217;s death, because that story stood in the way of other writing.  She wanted to pull the readers on board for a ride with her, where they couldn&#8217;t step off, until the book was over.    </p>
<p>Celeste, I don&#8217;t have a command of adjectives and emotions that you do and I can&#8217;t do this topic justice with my business vocabulary, but this was a moving interview and worth the 47 minutes to hear it. </p>
<p>As with most things in life, one can&#8217;t begin to understand how someone else feels without having experienced something similar.  She brought us as close as she could with her writings.</p>
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