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		<title>By: patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter how &quot;wonderful&quot; the program is.  Maybe it&#039;s &quot;wonderful&quot; to remove tatoos, but should all of America be paying for it?  That&#039;s the problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how &#8220;wonderful&#8221; the program is.  Maybe it&#8217;s &#8220;wonderful&#8221; to remove tatoos, but should all of America be paying for it?  That&#8217;s the problem!</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great fad these days to bash earmarks.

But many earmarks are valid expenses - it&#039;s just a way of designating what the money is to be spent on.

A less honorable, but inevitable, use of earmarks is for political horse trading - I&#039;ll vote for your bill if you vote for my earmark.

Then there&#039;s earmarks for pure corruption and pure idiocy.

For many years, Democrat Senator Proxmire would award the &quot;Golden Fleece&quot; award for government spending that sounded really dumb - a study on the sex life of prairie voles, or something. Most of the projects he singled out were valid. Many earmarks are likewise appropriate (and many are really wrong).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great fad these days to bash earmarks.</p>
<p>But many earmarks are valid expenses &#8211; it&#8217;s just a way of designating what the money is to be spent on.</p>
<p>A less honorable, but inevitable, use of earmarks is for political horse trading &#8211; I&#8217;ll vote for your bill if you vote for my earmark.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s earmarks for pure corruption and pure idiocy.</p>
<p>For many years, Democrat Senator Proxmire would award the &#8220;Golden Fleece&#8221; award for government spending that sounded really dumb &#8211; a study on the sex life of prairie voles, or something. Most of the projects he singled out were valid. Many earmarks are likewise appropriate (and many are really wrong).</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste, do you have a rose tattoo?  Inquiring minds want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste, do you have a rose tattoo?  Inquiring minds want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste, I know that the Court ruled for the woman, as it awarded her exactly $200,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY.  If I make a mistake in business, I pay.  If a government employee makes a mistake, I still pay.  What&#039;s wrong with this picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste, I know that the Court ruled for the woman, as it awarded her exactly $200,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY.  If I make a mistake in business, I pay.  If a government employee makes a mistake, I still pay.  What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - so we&#039;re debating the merits of tattoo removal that is .000002% of the total budget.  The whole earmarks debate is a diversion for the small minded...  What is really more important is what is in the other 98% of the budget that NO ONE is talking about?  Let&#039;s get into a good discussion of $500 toilet seats and billion dollar airplanes, OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; so we&#8217;re debating the merits of tattoo removal that is .000002% of the total budget.  The whole earmarks debate is a diversion for the small minded&#8230;  What is really more important is what is in the other 98% of the budget that NO ONE is talking about?  Let&#8217;s get into a good discussion of $500 toilet seats and billion dollar airplanes, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen Holy Cross&#039; tattoo removal program in action on a Saturday morning and the lines are literally out the door. Sister June Wilkerson, who founded the program, is a saint in her own right.  In this article from 2001, the job nexus was made - way before &quot;stimulus package&quot; ever entered the vernacular.   http://tinyurl.com/b3aro7

Let&#039;s add it up: it lets people get real jobs instead of them going out slinging crack or killing kids.  It enables them not to boomerang back into gang life with huge social and literal costs to our society.  To latch onto a paltry $200K when we&#039;re looking at financial institutions getting billions - let&#039;s put things in perspective, shall we?

Nicely done, Celeste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen Holy Cross&#8217; tattoo removal program in action on a Saturday morning and the lines are literally out the door. Sister June Wilkerson, who founded the program, is a saint in her own right.  In this article from 2001, the job nexus was made &#8211; way before &#8220;stimulus package&#8221; ever entered the vernacular.   <a href="http://tinyurl.com/b3aro7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/b3aro7</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s add it up: it lets people get real jobs instead of them going out slinging crack or killing kids.  It enables them not to boomerang back into gang life with huge social and literal costs to our society.  To latch onto a paltry $200K when we&#8217;re looking at financial institutions getting billions &#8211; let&#8217;s put things in perspective, shall we?</p>
<p>Nicely done, Celeste.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayor Sam and Pokey, I agree we should get rid of the whole earmark structure.  But as long as we do have it, this earmark is a very cost effective one.

Some of those rich folks on the right or the left should write checks for programs like this one. But right now we&#039;re in such dire straights that Homeboy Industries could actually have to close its doors (it&#039;s still living month to month.  I just haven&#039;t brought it up lately) because the private grant money situation is in such terrible shape. 

 Bernie Madoff alone took down giant nonprofits.

And speaking of crime and punishment, there&#039;s a guy who needs to be locked up for-freaking-ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayor Sam and Pokey, I agree we should get rid of the whole earmark structure.  But as long as we do have it, this earmark is a very cost effective one.</p>
<p>Some of those rich folks on the right or the left should write checks for programs like this one. But right now we&#8217;re in such dire straights that Homeboy Industries could actually have to close its doors (it&#8217;s still living month to month.  I just haven&#8217;t brought it up lately) because the private grant money situation is in such terrible shape. </p>
<p> Bernie Madoff alone took down giant nonprofits.</p>
<p>And speaking of crime and punishment, there&#8217;s a guy who needs to be locked up for-freaking-ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody, seems you&#039;ve got it backwards, the court agreed that the woman had every right to report the abuse.  

But you&#039;re absolutely right about the connection between physical abuse in the family and later violence or dysfunction. Research indicates that the majority of incarcerated males in America were abused and/or severely neglected as children. But, obviously, there are multiple risk factors.  Some who were abused also become upstanding citizens.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The formation of violent gang members with tattoos may start earlier than we think. Thatâ€™s where a greater need exists.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a greater need, but it&#039;s certainly essential.

Everyone at this point who works in any way with the issues of gang violence reduction agrees that it must be approached from three directions:  1.  Suppression---aka law enforcement.  2.  Prevention, which is what you&#039;re talking about.  And 3.  Intervention, which is just what it says.  The tattoo removal program is one small aspect of an intervention strategy.

Gang violence is best viewed from a public health point of view, which means keeping people from getting the &quot;disease,&quot; whenever possible, and also providing the means to cure them if they do.  If we do a good enough job at the prevention end, we&#039;ll need less intervention.  But we ain&#039;t there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody, seems you&#8217;ve got it backwards, the court agreed that the woman had every right to report the abuse.  </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re absolutely right about the connection between physical abuse in the family and later violence or dysfunction. Research indicates that the majority of incarcerated males in America were abused and/or severely neglected as children. But, obviously, there are multiple risk factors.  Some who were abused also become upstanding citizens.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The formation of violent gang members with tattoos may start earlier than we think. Thatâ€™s where a greater need exists.&#8221; </em>  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a greater need, but it&#8217;s certainly essential.</p>
<p>Everyone at this point who works in any way with the issues of gang violence reduction agrees that it must be approached from three directions:  1.  Suppression&#8212;aka law enforcement.  2.  Prevention, which is what you&#8217;re talking about.  And 3.  Intervention, which is just what it says.  The tattoo removal program is one small aspect of an intervention strategy.</p>
<p>Gang violence is best viewed from a public health point of view, which means keeping people from getting the &#8220;disease,&#8221; whenever possible, and also providing the means to cure them if they do.  If we do a good enough job at the prevention end, we&#8217;ll need less intervention.  But we ain&#8217;t there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael "Mayor Sam" Higby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael "Mayor Sam" Higby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Providence does great work in everything they do and this is a great program.

However, as worthy an aim as it is, its not a valid federal expense.  It&#039;s only $200K but multiply that by hundreds of Congress Members with thousands of requests and you get our budget mess.

It should not be hard to raise $200K from individuals or corporations.  Any one of these big mouth Hollywood actors or talk show Republicans could pop a check.

Why must we always go to government to solve our problems when private industry and volunteer organizations almost always do better? (World War II and the space program excepted).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Providence does great work in everything they do and this is a great program.</p>
<p>However, as worthy an aim as it is, its not a valid federal expense.  It&#8217;s only $200K but multiply that by hundreds of Congress Members with thousands of requests and you get our budget mess.</p>
<p>It should not be hard to raise $200K from individuals or corporations.  Any one of these big mouth Hollywood actors or talk show Republicans could pop a check.</p>
<p>Why must we always go to government to solve our problems when private industry and volunteer organizations almost always do better? (World War II and the space program excepted).</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, here&#039;s how $200,000, that could be used for tattoo removal, was wasted by Chicago.  Maybe this woman didn&#039;t know that Obama&#039;s community organizations didn&#039;t see this as a problem to cure.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;...a federal court jury recently awarded a white woman &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1468537,CST-NWS-mitch10.article&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;$200,000 in a discrimination case&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that involved &quot;a bathroom whupping&quot; of a 6-year-old African-American child.

In 2006, Cathleen Schandelmeier-Bartels was working as a cultural program coordinator at the South Shore Cultural Center, a Chicago Park District facility. Schandelmeier-Bartels alleged in the lawsuit that she was fired because she reported to the Illinois Department of Children and Family Service and the police that the 6-year-old&#039;s aunt beat him in the park district bathroom.

A federal jury agreed.

&quot;I feel sad that the public has to pay for someone&#039;s mistake,&quot; Schandelmeier-Bartels said during a telephone interview.

Schandelmeier-Bartels claimed that after she complained, an African-American program coordinator told her &quot;It&#039;s a black thing: We beat our children.&quot;

Later, when she took the matter to Andrea Adams, her supervisor, she was again told: &quot;This is how we discipline our children in our culture.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, there&#039;s $200,000 down the can.  Who knew that the government would defend child abuse...and, who knew that it was a &quot;black thing.&quot;  This also might explain why a certain culture has a disproportionate percentage of kids who grow up with a violence mentality.  

I wonder how many kids in L.A. grow up nuts because of their abusive upbringing...but, I know that liberals would prefer to be politically correct and not &quot;offend&quot; some others about this.

The formation of violent gang members with tattoos may start earlier than we think.  That&#039;s where a greater need exists.

So, it&#039;s not only a matter of who pays, but of priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, here&#8217;s how $200,000, that could be used for tattoo removal, was wasted by Chicago.  Maybe this woman didn&#8217;t know that Obama&#8217;s community organizations didn&#8217;t see this as a problem to cure.  </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;a federal court jury recently awarded a white woman <b><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1468537,CST-NWS-mitch10.article" rel="nofollow">$200,000 in a discrimination case</a></b> that involved &#8220;a bathroom whupping&#8221; of a 6-year-old African-American child.</p>
<p>In 2006, Cathleen Schandelmeier-Bartels was working as a cultural program coordinator at the South Shore Cultural Center, a Chicago Park District facility. Schandelmeier-Bartels alleged in the lawsuit that she was fired because she reported to the Illinois Department of Children and Family Service and the police that the 6-year-old&#8217;s aunt beat him in the park district bathroom.</p>
<p>A federal jury agreed.</p>
<p>&#8220;I feel sad that the public has to pay for someone&#8217;s mistake,&#8221; Schandelmeier-Bartels said during a telephone interview.</p>
<p>Schandelmeier-Bartels claimed that after she complained, an African-American program coordinator told her &#8220;It&#8217;s a black thing: We beat our children.&#8221;</p>
<p>Later, when she took the matter to Andrea Adams, her supervisor, she was again told: &#8220;This is how we discipline our children in our culture.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s $200,000 down the can.  Who knew that the government would defend child abuse&#8230;and, who knew that it was a &#8220;black thing.&#8221;  This also might explain why a certain culture has a disproportionate percentage of kids who grow up with a violence mentality.  </p>
<p>I wonder how many kids in L.A. grow up nuts because of their abusive upbringing&#8230;but, I know that liberals would prefer to be politically correct and not &#8220;offend&#8221; some others about this.</p>
<p>The formation of violent gang members with tattoos may start earlier than we think.  That&#8217;s where a greater need exists.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s not only a matter of who pays, but of priorities.</p>
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