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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody,

You&#039;ve proven nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve proven nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: pOPloCk</title>
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		<dc:creator>pOPloCk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, again, another &quot;Woody&quot; has been born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, again, another &#8220;Woody&#8221; has been born.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, it&#039;s more than just reporting facts.  It&#039;s what is reported, what is not reported, and how it&#039;s written so as to obtain the desired response.  An encyclopedia reports facts.  The NYT reports a slant with selective facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, it&#8217;s more than just reporting facts.  It&#8217;s what is reported, what is not reported, and how it&#8217;s written so as to obtain the desired response.  An encyclopedia reports facts.  The NYT reports a slant with selective facts.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way back when McGraw-Hill was making waves in the publishing business with its &quot;Autobiography&quot; of Howard Hughes an intrepid NYT reporter got ahold of Noah Dietrich, HH&#039;s right hand man for many years, to get his opinion of the manuscript and the controversey. &quot;It&#039;s bullshit&quot; said Dietrich. the reporter asked for a different quote - &quot;you can&#039;t print &#039;bullshit&#039; in the TIMES&quot; he said. &quot;Why not?&quot; asked Noah, &quot;You print enough of it every day!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back when McGraw-Hill was making waves in the publishing business with its &#8220;Autobiography&#8221; of Howard Hughes an intrepid NYT reporter got ahold of Noah Dietrich, HH&#8217;s right hand man for many years, to get his opinion of the manuscript and the controversey. &#8220;It&#8217;s bullshit&#8221; said Dietrich. the reporter asked for a different quote &#8211; &#8220;you can&#8217;t print &#8216;bullshit&#8217; in the TIMES&#8221; he said. &#8220;Why not?&#8221; asked Noah, &#8220;You print enough of it every day!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-white-girl-the-gangsand-the-hoax-on-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-8883</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody, they reported her claims. That was the extent of it. They didn&#039;t express an opinion on the veracity of her claims:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Miss Brawley, who is black, had been beaten. &#039;&#039;Nigger&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;KKK&#039;&#039; had been written in charcoal or marker on her torso, feces had been smeared across her body and her hair had been chopped off, the police said. She later told her family and law-enforcement authorities that she had been abducted and sexually assaulted by six white men - one of whom wore a police badge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They made no claims as to who had done what to her if anyone other than herself. Those are facts as to how she was found. They went on to make this statement in the same article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The case of Miss Brawley has provoked the most anger and has become the subject of a dispute about its prosecution. 

Local law-enforcement officials have questioned the truthfulness of the girl&#039;s statements. Other people, like B. Harold Ramsey, president of the local chapter of the N. A. A. C. P., and Clarence McGill, head of the Dutchess County Committee Against Racism, charged there has been a cover-up because of Miss Brawley&#039;s allegation of police involvement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll cut you some slack because you seem to believe that Neal Boortz is a reporter, but what that article you linked to does is report the facts available at the time. It ends no credence to her claims.

Just more strawman nonsense from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody, they reported her claims. That was the extent of it. They didn&#8217;t express an opinion on the veracity of her claims:</p>
<blockquote><p>Miss Brawley, who is black, had been beaten. &#8221;Nigger&#8221; and &#8221;KKK&#8221; had been written in charcoal or marker on her torso, feces had been smeared across her body and her hair had been chopped off, the police said. She later told her family and law-enforcement authorities that she had been abducted and sexually assaulted by six white men &#8211; one of whom wore a police badge.</p></blockquote>
<p>They made no claims as to who had done what to her if anyone other than herself. Those are facts as to how she was found. They went on to make this statement in the same article:</p>
<blockquote><p>The case of Miss Brawley has provoked the most anger and has become the subject of a dispute about its prosecution. </p>
<p>Local law-enforcement officials have questioned the truthfulness of the girl&#8217;s statements. Other people, like B. Harold Ramsey, president of the local chapter of the N. A. A. C. P., and Clarence McGill, head of the Dutchess County Committee Against Racism, charged there has been a cover-up because of Miss Brawley&#8217;s allegation of police involvement.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll cut you some slack because you seem to believe that Neal Boortz is a reporter, but what that article you linked to does is report the facts available at the time. It ends no credence to her claims.</p>
<p>Just more strawman nonsense from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, you said, &quot;nothing, absolutely nothing.&quot;  Nothing means not even one.  Picking only one story that disproves your &quot;nothing&quot; is adequate and is intellectually honest.  Your denying that is what is dishonest.  

BTW, the NYT was only reporting her silence ordered by her attorneys.  That doesn&#039;t mean that they felt it was bad enough to investigate it to the extent of Celete&#039;s story, which was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, you said, &#8220;nothing, absolutely nothing.&#8221;  Nothing means not even one.  Picking only one story that disproves your &#8220;nothing&#8221; is adequate and is intellectually honest.  Your denying that is what is dishonest.  </p>
<p>BTW, the NYT was only reporting her silence ordered by her attorneys.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that they felt it was bad enough to investigate it to the extent of Celete&#8217;s story, which was my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody,

That was early in the case while her claims were being investigated. If you look beyond that, you&#039;ll see headlines like this:

Questions Persist in Dutchess Assault (February 4, 1988)

Abrams Frustrated by Lawyer in Assault Case (February 7, 1988) - That article was written by Clifford May, btw

Girl&#039;s Lawyers Sought Limits On Inquiry - (February 19, 1988)

Actions of Brawley Lawyers Raise Troubling Questions - (February 23, 1988)

Sharpton: Champion or Opportunist? - (February 24, 1988)

Brawley Case: Stubborn Puzzle, Silent Victim - (February 29, 1988)

In other words, they reported the news and as her story fell apart they reacted accordingly. Cherrypicking one story out of hundreds only proves you&#039;re either intellectually dishonest or lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody,</p>
<p>That was early in the case while her claims were being investigated. If you look beyond that, you&#8217;ll see headlines like this:</p>
<p>Questions Persist in Dutchess Assault (February 4, 1988)</p>
<p>Abrams Frustrated by Lawyer in Assault Case (February 7, 1988) &#8211; That article was written by Clifford May, btw</p>
<p>Girl&#8217;s Lawyers Sought Limits On Inquiry &#8211; (February 19, 1988)</p>
<p>Actions of Brawley Lawyers Raise Troubling Questions &#8211; (February 23, 1988)</p>
<p>Sharpton: Champion or Opportunist? &#8211; (February 24, 1988)</p>
<p>Brawley Case: Stubborn Puzzle, Silent Victim &#8211; (February 29, 1988)</p>
<p>In other words, they reported the news and as her story fell apart they reacted accordingly. Cherrypicking one story out of hundreds only proves you&#8217;re either intellectually dishonest or lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, nuts.  I meant to cut the first paragraph after I wrote the last one.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, nuts.  I meant to cut the first paragraph after I wrote the last one.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy and reg, you&#039;re both pretty pathetic.  If The NY Times had earlir exposed the Tawana Brawley/Al Sharpton fraud for what it was, there wouldn&#039;t have been all the marches and protests by sympathizers and suicide by one of the innocent accused.  

Randy:  &lt;i&gt;...I can tell that there was nothing, absolutely nothing that the New York Times did that gave any credence to Tawana Brawleyâ€™s lies.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4D61539F937A25751C1A961948260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bias Cases Fuel Anger Of Blacks - December 14, 1987&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Oh, really?  That&#039;s the way to stir &#039;em up.

If The NY Times had vigorously exposed the Tawana Brawley/Al Sharpton fraud for what it was as promptly as they did in the case that Celeste provides, rather than inciting mobs, there wouldn&#039;t have been all the marches and protests by sympathizers and suicide by one of the innocent accused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy and reg, you&#8217;re both pretty pathetic.  If The NY Times had earlir exposed the Tawana Brawley/Al Sharpton fraud for what it was, there wouldn&#8217;t have been all the marches and protests by sympathizers and suicide by one of the innocent accused.  </p>
<p>Randy:  <i>&#8230;I can tell that there was nothing, absolutely nothing that the New York Times did that gave any credence to Tawana Brawleyâ€™s lies.</i></p>
<p><b><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4D61539F937A25751C1A961948260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=1" rel="nofollow">Bias Cases Fuel Anger Of Blacks &#8211; December 14, 1987</a></b></p>
<p>Oh, really?  That&#8217;s the way to stir &#8216;em up.</p>
<p>If The NY Times had vigorously exposed the Tawana Brawley/Al Sharpton fraud for what it was as promptly as they did in the case that Celeste provides, rather than inciting mobs, there wouldn&#8217;t have been all the marches and protests by sympathizers and suicide by one of the innocent accused.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate. You know, I assumed the same thing about social services.  Then out of curiosity I called DCFS on Tuesday and asked them.  Turns out they do more cross-racial placements that I&#039;d have thought. 

The Native American thing is a wild card, though. I know from anecdotal observation in children&#039;s court that if a kid has Native American blood,  DCFS leaps through a whole different set of hoops in terms of placement.

Whatta story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate. You know, I assumed the same thing about social services.  Then out of curiosity I called DCFS on Tuesday and asked them.  Turns out they do more cross-racial placements that I&#8217;d have thought. </p>
<p>The Native American thing is a wild card, though. I know from anecdotal observation in children&#8217;s court that if a kid has Native American blood,  DCFS leaps through a whole different set of hoops in terms of placement.</p>
<p>Whatta story!</p>
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