Comments on: The Death of the Football Star http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/ street news, views and stories of justice and injustice Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:27:30 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: peggysuz http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-9015 peggysuz Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:34:12 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-9015 When I searched for this story and clicked on this website, I expected to find more about the death of this young man, his family -- and the outpouring of feelings of loss. It appears I chose the wrong link to click, because most of what I have read here is complaints about the way things are in the world, with no real connection to the death of this promising young man. What a shame, on all points. When I searched for this story and clicked on this website, I expected to find more about the death of this young man, his family — and the outpouring of feelings of loss. It appears I chose the wrong link to click, because most of what I have read here is complaints about the way things are in the world, with no real connection to the death of this promising young man. What a shame, on all points.

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8880 Woody Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:35:28 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8880 Page thinks the world would be a better place if we could just silence those who disagree with him. Page thinks the world would be a better place if we could just silence those who disagree with him.

]]> By: Page Tutor http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8843 Page Tutor Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:37:52 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8843 L.A.R. does not waste his time answering idiots, so instead we offer Woody this link to keep him occupied. http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html ' L.A.R. does not waste his time answering idiots, so instead we offer Woody this link to keep him occupied.

http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html

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]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8837 Woody Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:34:34 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8837 L.A. Res, if only conservatives would quit offering solutions and just give people like you more money, none of those crimes would have occurred. Celeste, my quote is correct, even if taken from a different source and similar to yours. Mine was learned in accounting classes. Do you know what's revealing Joseph Stiglit? He's a Nobel laureate, and Nobel is a code word for anti-American. He's also a professor at left-wing Columbia University. This guy has no credibility at all. If I had his data, I guarantee that I could shoot holes all through it. Don't you know that activist liberals tend to lie? And, as the Republican seanator pointed out in the article, the cost estimate makes no offsets for what would have happened if Iraq became a terrorist state, which is what I said in another comment. Finally, I can't let a comment of the enigma guy above go unnoticed: <i>"I hate hearing about wasted lives and while I also think it’s wrong to demonize the young men who killed this kid, the shooters do deserve very, very harsh criticism."</i> You better re-read that. Yep, there's nothing like harsh criticism to make thugs mend their ways. Just look how well that of the U.N. worked on Saddam Hussein. Oh, why don't I just quit complaining and go along with this wisdom? L.A. Res, if only conservatives would quit offering solutions and just give people like you more money, none of those crimes would have occurred.

Celeste, my quote is correct, even if taken from a different source and similar to yours. Mine was learned in accounting classes.

Do you know what’s revealing Joseph Stiglit? He’s a Nobel laureate, and Nobel is a code word for anti-American. He’s also a professor at left-wing Columbia University. This guy has no credibility at all. If I had his data, I guarantee that I could shoot holes all through it. Don’t you know that activist liberals tend to lie?

And, as the Republican seanator pointed out in the article, the cost estimate makes no offsets for what would have happened if Iraq became a terrorist state, which is what I said in another comment.

Finally, I can’t let a comment of the enigma guy above go unnoticed: “I hate hearing about wasted lives and while I also think it’s wrong to demonize the young men who killed this kid, the shooters do deserve very, very harsh criticism.” You better re-read that. Yep, there’s nothing like harsh criticism to make thugs mend their ways. Just look how well that of the U.N. worked on Saddam Hussein. Oh, why don’t I just quit complaining and go along with this wisdom?

]]> By: L.A. Resident http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8831 L.A. Resident Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:34:06 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8831 Let us not forget all the other very recent shootings, in the "gang capital of the world". I am glad the L.A. Mayor and City Council are handling these problems (**** sarcasm *****). Boy, 6, shot by alleged Latino gang members in Harbor Gateway http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8451964 Girl, 8, shot in Harbor Gateway http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8450509 Gardena gang member charged with 15 felonies over bus stop shootings http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8448408 Gunman who killed father-son still at large http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8448391 L.A. police kill gunman in gang-infested area http://www.dailybreeze.com//ci_8330933 ' Let us not forget all the other very recent shootings, in the “gang capital of the world”. I am glad the L.A. Mayor and City Council are handling these problems (**** sarcasm *****).

Boy, 6, shot by alleged Latino gang members in Harbor Gateway
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8451964

Girl, 8, shot in Harbor Gateway
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8450509

Gardena gang member charged with
15 felonies over bus stop shootings
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8448408

Gunman who killed father-son still at large
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8448391

L.A. police kill gunman in gang-infested area
http://www.dailybreeze.com//ci_8330933

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]]> By: pOPloCk http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8827 pOPloCk Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:52:25 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8827 Tony Cardenas is the least of all politicians that should be trusted or allowed to control any money for Gang intervention programs. Look who gives him personal elbow rubbing and ass massage advice - Blinky? Come on... Hasn't this whole "pocket money" scam gone on too long for an intelligent person in City Hall to figure it all out? Tony Cardenas is the least of all politicians that should be trusted or allowed to control any money for Gang intervention programs. Look who gives him personal elbow rubbing and ass massage advice – Blinky?
Come on…
Hasn’t this whole “pocket money” scam gone on too long for an intelligent person in City Hall to figure it all out?

]]> By: Just ban Woody and Celeste, this is such an enigma http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8826 Just ban Woody and Celeste, this is such an enigma Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:20:51 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8826 Celeste, ban Woody, enough already, he's all about attacking, no solutions from this guy, no positive spirit EVER emanates from his writings. OK, maybe you shouldn't ban Woody or ban anybody, but Woody: Sometimes the Left makes cogent points, too. Celeste, I'm glad you posted this story. What are we going to do? Do you really think it's just about funding schools and there not being enough jobs? You don't think it also has to do w/ values, with people/gangsters not valuing human life, not giving a damn, and we all put up with it because either the violence is happening in some other part of town or, if we live in the affected part of town, we've been promised solutions from one election cycle to the next but nothing ever changes so why bother trying anymore? Why are we so defeatist? I think we've paralyzed ourselves with our own cynicism and hopelessness which, unfortunately, are based on a track record of disappointment -- perpetuated in part by the Woody's of the world who balk at the idea of upholding their part of the Social Contract unless we're talking military spending or upholding property rights! (I will stop picking on Woody now though I hope I've made my point that his knee-jerk attacks have gotten VERY OLD.) It's an awful viscious cycle. This story you posted really affected me today. I hate hearing about wasted lives and while I also think it's wrong to demonize the young men who killed this kid, the shooters do deserve very, very harsh criticism. I mean, they killed this kid! Celeste, ban Woody, enough already, he’s all about attacking, no solutions from this guy, no positive spirit EVER emanates from his writings. OK, maybe you shouldn’t ban Woody or ban anybody, but Woody: Sometimes the Left makes cogent points, too.

Celeste, I’m glad you posted this story. What are we going to do? Do you really think it’s just about funding schools and there not being enough jobs? You don’t think it also has to do w/ values, with people/gangsters not valuing human life, not giving a damn, and we all put up with it because either the violence is happening in some other part of town or, if we live in the affected part of town, we’ve been promised solutions from one election cycle to the next but nothing ever changes so why bother trying anymore? Why are we so defeatist? I think we’ve paralyzed ourselves with our own cynicism and hopelessness which, unfortunately, are based on a track record of disappointment — perpetuated in part by the Woody’s of the world who balk at the idea of upholding their part of the Social Contract unless we’re talking military spending or upholding property rights! (I will stop picking on Woody now though I hope I’ve made my point that his knee-jerk attacks have gotten VERY OLD.) It’s an awful viscious cycle. This story you posted really affected me today. I hate hearing about wasted lives and while I also think it’s wrong to demonize the young men who killed this kid, the shooters do deserve very, very harsh criticism. I mean, they killed this kid!

]]> By: Celeste Fremon http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8823 Celeste Fremon Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:23:40 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8823 Woody, for the record. A number of publications have reported Stiglitz' five trillion dollar figure. (He says that the 3 million is ultra conservative, that the real total is likely going to be more like five.) I just didn't include it in yesterday's post as it was already getting long. Here's a link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=acXcm.yk56Ko&refer=home# And while we're on the subject, you've got the quote a bit wrong. It is generally attributed to Mark Twain and should read: <em> "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." </em> Woody, for the record. A number of publications have reported Stiglitz’ five trillion dollar figure. (He says that the 3 million is ultra conservative, that the real total is likely going to be more like five.) I just didn’t include it in yesterday’s post as it was already getting long. Here’s a link:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=acXcm.yk56Ko&refer=home#

And while we’re on the subject, you’ve got the quote a bit wrong. It is generally attributed to Mark Twain and should read: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

]]> By: Rebel Girl http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8822 Rebel Girl Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:22:19 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8822 Your final five paragraphs say it all: the ease with which the righteous demonize and forget, the complexity, the daunting challenges in the inner city, the necessary dollars -and yes, the required leadership. Big sigh here. Thanks for saying it. Your final five paragraphs say it all: the ease with which the righteous demonize and forget, the complexity, the daunting challenges in the inner city, the necessary dollars -and yes, the required leadership.

Big sigh here.

Thanks for saying it.

]]> By: Joseph http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/comment-page-1/#comment-8817 Joseph Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:26:31 +0000 http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/the-death-of-the-football-star/#comment-8817 "…that learning to live within a budget will help him grow up? Well, look in the mirror and tell yourself." Or tell your overspending president, who's spent us into the deepest debt in our country's history? "<i>Sorry to sound like a dad.</i>" Well, you don't. You sound like an ill-informed blowhard. “…that learning to live within a budget will help him grow up? Well, look in the mirror and tell yourself.”

Or tell your overspending president, who’s spent us into the deepest debt in our country’s history?

“Sorry to sound like a dad.”

Well, you don’t. You sound like an ill-informed blowhard.

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