I was just responding to “Lost’s” post, who I think misses the point that the Shaws are simple people who can’t understand that the underlying false statements and real consequences of that law simple-minded Wally Moore wrote in their name (for his own self-promotion, just as they’re being used by those “screaming heads of talk radio” whose names I won’t promote further by mentioning here). Their version of events is their personal opinion, and Rashomon- like, just like “what really happened” on May Day 07 or in virtually anything involving the cops. Their ignorance of the levels of government and law enforcement blames everything on Bratton and SO40, unable to distinguish between that and County/Sheriff/Baca/the feds…and so on.
Their rally even flew the Balognas of genuine sanctuary city SF and dumped them in front of a local councilmember’s office to protest — how dumb was that? Going to a STATE legislator on an appropriate committee might have made sense but logic doesn’t bother these people.

I feel so sorry for the Shaws and agree in principle that illegal gangbangers should have been addressed long ago, but remember, they also accused the DA accused to represent them of painting Jamiel Jr. as a gangbanger, when she’d never said THAT, just tried to prepare them that the defense would use that tactic.)

Sorry if this sounds “elitist,” but uneducated, simple people with good intentions don’t always understand the ramifications of what they are advocating and the more their “advisor” Walter Moore “argues” the dumber he sounds on every subject — the world really IS black and white to him. When pressed, some concede they have no problem using cops like the Gestapo or KGB or China’s police do now — clearly not understanding what that means — and will submit to random SS and citizenship document checks in the street — those utterly ignorant of history or global situations really are condemned to repeat it. (But when it ACTUALLY happens to them, they feel differently, like the Shaws do now. Yet they still can’t connect the dots.)

I’ve no doubt some cops would support the law, not being constitutional experts themselves. Read George Gascon’s Opinion 7/31/08 in NY Times Opinion, “Laws Cops Can’t Enforce.” He’s talking about what happens when politicians pass laws that are unconstitutional responding to political pressure from the anti-illegal lobby. (And let’s be clear: the real agenda of Moore, as he’s stated often, and supporters of this law is to declare ALL illegal immigrants illegal on the face of it — trying to force cops onto the front lines of the national immigration debacle.)

Boy, is it ironic that I’m the one taking this POV, since I’ve been so critical of your endless posts painting illegal gangbangers as “nice kids on the verge of turning their lives around” and strongly believe our infrastructure and society have been very adversely impacted by masses of uneducated, poor people who only benefit a few wealthy employers. But we can’t let them undermine OUR constitutional rights, even if they have benefited from using our Bill of Rights and legal system against us.

Pls do post the Rocky article — one thing that stands out is his claiming that MS-13 and 18th St. are “homegrown” gangs, as Central American countries claim; while admitting they’re fully made up of illegal immigrants (or their kids) from those countries. There’s evidence many of them are already in the gangs when they sneak into the U.S. That seems a way to deflect from his own screwup in letting all this mushroom astronomically in the last 5 years.

You can find thousands of illegal food vendors all over Los Angeles and nothing is being about them (of course most are illegal aliens), I have yet to see a similar raid with a helicopter over McArthur Park, where health violations are countless.

Too bad the L.A. Times is useless and will not investigate city corruption and dirty politics like this.

WBC, you make a good point about Rocky’s op ed. I was looking for a reason to post it. You may have just given me one.

What’s ironic about those in an uproar over the Leimert Park incident is, they insist on being oblivious to the fact that that’s exactly how ALL of us would be treated under their law — a dose of their own medicine. Just like airports subject everyone to the same checks to avoid profiling lawsuits, even though they probably have ways that implicitly single out more closely at likely problems, like Middle Eastern nationals. (Like coming back from a visit to Columbia, they more closely scrutinize the Latino males with heavy jewelry, but we’re all subject to the same laws.) Just how do the Shaws, Jamiel Moore, their talk show nitwits etc. think the cops would avoid profiling lawsuits without including THEM? I for one don’t want MY civil rights eroded and for the cops to act like Nazi German Gestapo used to to find Jews and homosexuals. LAPD does quietly cooperate with ICE, but mostly in the Valley so far, in Chief Moore’s area, not Sergio Diaz’ — that has to change.

It’s significant that Baca’s gotten permission from the Supervisors to run legal checks on gangbangers on booking, not release — that didn’t give him time to get a report back from the feds, so they released Pedro Espinoza (more than once) and many others. Since illegal gangmembers are by definition repeat offenders, this should nail them. But what irks me is these people blame everything on the City of LA and Bratton, they even blame San Francisco’s problems on the city and confuse the two. It’s the sheer stupidity underlying their approach to the problem, not wanting to be bothered by facts, from the get-go that concerns me. And as you know, I’m no fan of illegals, but stupidity bothers me more.

Another problem with putting all the focus on deportation: Rocky D’s article in today’s LA Times Opinion says that with the exception of El Salvador, their home countries in Central America and Mexico let illegal gangbangers wander the streets after release from our prisons to consolidate their power. MS-13 and 18th St., which are virtually all from those countries, have taken over crime in their home countries just in the last 5 years, branching out from shakedown “taxes” to drugs, human trafficking, etc.

Too bad Rocky didn’t realize this earlier, since this has happened under his “watch,” but he’s right that unless ICE and Homeland Security create a master database and share it with law enforcement all over the country, those clever criminals will just keep coming back and forth and growing stronger. Plus we must force their home countries to deal with them, using what leverage we have through NAFTA, anything.

As for what really happened at the park — let’s get the LAPD’s side of it first. Look at how the pro-illegal lobby is still repeating as gospel that the cops attacked marchers at the 07 May Day Rally for no reason, and that they were absolutely peaceful. (Check out the Chicano Art from the Cheech Marin collection at LACMA: there’s a painting of the cops as military thugs which makes that specific claims.) And the claim that they used garbage trucks as part of their plan sounds far-fetched… Though maybe they confiscated food being given out to strangers under sanitary laws (yes, illegal taco vendors should be held more accountable, trendy foodies led by Jonathan Gold at the Weekly notwithstanding), and the Shaws admit their table was set up on a public sidewalk. What’s really ironic about all this is that the Council has already agreed to hold hearings on the matter in October, after consulting with LAPD and ICE who will attend. Celeste, do let us know what your contacts at LAPD say.

That said I wonder if the people lawfully collecting signatures for the unconstitutional “Jamiels Law” felt like they were being “Profiled” by the LAPD?

Well that is exactly what this anti Mexican “Jamiels Law” proposes and is also why LAPD Chief Bratton is totally against it and is a proponent of “Special Order 40″ that prohibits police from asking innocent people what their immigration status is. If the LAPD is viewed as just an arm of ICE then people will run and hide and in no way assist the LAPD. If they have no fear of being deported they may well cooperate with the LAPD in crime investigations.
And besides, the fact is that the LAPD is undermanned and doesn’t have the manpower to act as an arm of ICE.
And what Cop wants to go around busting people for immigration beefs and splitting up family’s and causing people misery over documentation issues.

I hope the people hassled in the park see the irony, in themselves being profiled by LE. because that is exactly what this “Jamiels Law” is all about, Profiling people based on their ethnicity.

Three cheers for Rep Maxine Waters who when informed of this “Jamiels Law” of Walter Moores stated, “Any African American who would support a law that profiles and targets people based on their race, ethnicity, or dress should be ashamed of themselves”.
And I would add that any Latino or other citizens who would support this unconstitutional and immoral law should be ashamed also.

For your info here’s the racist Walter Moore’s “Jamiels Law”

JAMIEL’S LAW
Proposed by Walter Moore, Candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles
WalterMooreForMayor.com
This is a proposed ordinance to deny “sanctuary city” protection to illegal aliens in
gangs in the City of Los Angeles.
WHEREAS, the City of Los Angeles is now a “sanctuary city” for illegal aliens due to
City policies that prohibit and inhibit the Los Angeles Police Department from investigating
violations of federal immigration law (e.g., LAPD Manual Vol. 1, § 390 and Vol. 4, § 264.50);
WHEREAS, the City of Los Angeles is unsafe for law-abiding citizens and legal aliens
due to the prevalence of gangs that routinely commit crimes including but not limited to
murder, extortion, robbery, rape, theft, drug-trafficking, and vandalism;
WHEREAS, many, if not most, of the members of the criminal gangs in Los Angeles are
illegal aliens; and
WHEREAS, there is no legitimate public policy reason for the City to extend “sanctuary
city” protection to illegal aliens in the gangs that are ravaging our city;
NOW THEREFORE,
THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES
DO ORDAIN AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. Jamiel’s Law. This short title of this ordinance shall be “Jamiel’s Law,” in
honor of Jamiel Andre Shaw, II, a young man who had an exceptionally promising future until
he was murdered in Los Angeles in 2008.
Section 2. No Sanctuary For Gang Members. The policy of this City from this point
forward is, and shall be, to deny any “sanctuary city” protection to illegal aliens in gangs.
Neither the Mayor, the Chief of the Police nor any other City employee shall prohibit or inhibit
Los Angeles Police Department officers from lawfully investigating possible violations of
federal immigration laws by persons who are, or appear to, be gang members or affiliate gang
members.
Section 3. Mandate To Investigate, Arrest And Assist. The Mayor and the Chief of
Police shall immediately develop and implement a plan for the Los Angeles Police Department,
in cooperation with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the United States Attorney, to
identify, arrest, prosecute, imprison and deport illegal aliens who are, or appear to be, gang
members or affiliate gang members, regardless whether those illegal aliens have committed
crimes in addition to entering the country illegally.
Section 4. Reporting Requirement. The Mayor shall provide the City Council and the
public with quarterly written reports describing in reasonable detail the City’s efforts to
implement Jamiel’s Law. The reports will include, at a minimum, the number of persons
arrested by the Los Angeles Police Department for violating federal immigration laws, and the
number of those persons suspected of being gang members and affiliate gang members.

Key phrase here is “any person who appears to be a gang member whether they have committed a crime or not.

Yeah, well right now the spam assassin killed one of your comments and two of Richard Lo Cicero’s a couple of days ago, but let through this creep who keeps posting strange links to some post months ago.

So I’m not at all pleased with my guard dog this week.

Anyway, thanks for letting me know.

About the story at Mayor Sam’s: Just on the surface, it looks pretty outrageous. (The raid.) I’ll see what I can find out.