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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what happened to a guy who started a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/42904/Hug-a-hoodie-Tory-mugged-by-hoodies-/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hug-a-thug&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; program, &quot;urging a gentle approach to youth violence.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Danny Kruger bravely tried to stop a gang of hoodies stealing a scooter.  But he ended with a gashed lip when the thugs fought back.  â€œMy main memory is the spit-filled mouth of the little rat-faced boy who punched me.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what happened to a guy who started a <b><a href="http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/42904/Hug-a-hoodie-Tory-mugged-by-hoodies-/" rel="nofollow">hug-a-thug</a></b> program, &#8220;urging a gentle approach to youth violence.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Danny Kruger bravely tried to stop a gang of hoodies stealing a scooter.  But he ended with a gashed lip when the thugs fought back.  â€œMy main memory is the spit-filled mouth of the little rat-faced boy who punched me.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/killing-the-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-18706</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gorgeous.

I&#039;m so glad that Hafez is getting better known in the US. (Now that Rumi has cleared the pathway a little.)

(As a matter of fact, I just gave &lt;em&gt; The Angels Knocking at the Tavern Door&lt;/em&gt; to a friend for his birthday yesterday.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorgeous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad that Hafez is getting better known in the US. (Now that Rumi has cleared the pathway a little.)</p>
<p>(As a matter of fact, I just gave <em> The Angels Knocking at the Tavern Door</em> to a friend for his birthday yesterday.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/killing-the-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-18705</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody,

I welcome hugs and poetry projects for the police :)  Here is a couplet by the famous and great Persian poet Hafez:

We have turned our face to the pearl lying on the ocean floor.
So why should we worry if this wobbly old boat keeps going or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody,</p>
<p>I welcome hugs and poetry projects for the police <img src='http://witnessla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Here is a couplet by the famous and great Persian poet Hafez:</p>
<p>We have turned our face to the pearl lying on the ocean floor.<br />
So why should we worry if this wobbly old boat keeps going or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/killing-the-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-18704</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Start a hug and poetry project for the police.&quot;

I like it!  However, as such a program may take some time to get up and running, what with the necessary grant writing, organization, outcomes analysis and all, in the interim---next Monday and Tuesday, to be exact---I&#039;m going to do two days of just Police POV. (Not kidding about this, by the way.)

 I&#039;d put one of the posts up tomorrow, but I think everyone---including me---is going to be too deeply into 4th of July weekend mode to want to think seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Start a hug and poetry project for the police.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like it!  However, as such a program may take some time to get up and running, what with the necessary grant writing, organization, outcomes analysis and all, in the interim&#8212;next Monday and Tuesday, to be exact&#8212;I&#8217;m going to do two days of just Police POV. (Not kidding about this, by the way.)</p>
<p> I&#8217;d put one of the posts up tomorrow, but I think everyone&#8212;including me&#8212;is going to be too deeply into 4th of July weekend mode to want to think seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start a hug and poetry project for the police.</description>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/killing-the-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-18686</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah, blah, blah.

(Good limerick though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah.</p>
<p>(Good limerick though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There once was a gang from L.A.
who laughed after killing all day.
The gang pursued mayhem.
The cops tried to stop them.
But journalists got in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There once was a gang from L.A.<br />
who laughed after killing all day.<br />
The gang pursued mayhem.<br />
The cops tried to stop them.<br />
But journalists got in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Hug a Thug</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/killing-the-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-18642</link>
		<dc:creator>Hug a Thug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;We need a major effort to wipe out gangs like we have done with organized crime. Do you agree, Celeste? Get in line for your Tommy-gun.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What we really need is to spend lots of money on Hug-A-Thug programs for gang members, so Woody get busy. If only the gang members wrote more poetry the gang violence would end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;We need a major effort to wipe out gangs like we have done with organized crime. Do you agree, Celeste? Get in line for your Tommy-gun.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What we really need is to spend lots of money on Hug-A-Thug programs for gang members, so Woody get busy. If only the gang members wrote more poetry the gang violence would end.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste:  &quot;Do you people really need me to state explicitly that itâ€™s vile, wrong, criminal for a gang member to kill a teenage girl he believes is ratting him out?&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t if you did it once in a while to let me know which side of law enforcement you prefer.

Also, I am so sick of overuse of the word &quot;alleged.&quot;  It was never a big deal until the press wanted to attack President Nixon because he didn&#039;t use the world &quot;alleged&quot; in reference to saying that Charles Manson was guilty--like some people actually thought clean-cut Charley was innocent.  Now, it&#039;s obligatory, even when a hundred witnesses see the murderer commit the crime.  You could use alleged about anything; e.g. Celeste is an alleged journalist.  Ban the word.

Oh, and I HATE it when a journalist refers to a killer as &quot;the gentleman&quot; who allegedly committed the mass murder. Gentlemen don&#039;t go around cutting throats and murdering people.    

We need a major effort to wipe out gangs like we have done with organized crime.  Do you agree, Celeste?  Get in line for your Tommy-gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste:  &#8220;Do you people really need me to state explicitly that itâ€™s vile, wrong, criminal for a gang member to kill a teenage girl he believes is ratting him out?&#8221;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t if you did it once in a while to let me know which side of law enforcement you prefer.</p>
<p>Also, I am so sick of overuse of the word &#8220;alleged.&#8221;  It was never a big deal until the press wanted to attack President Nixon because he didn&#8217;t use the world &#8220;alleged&#8221; in reference to saying that Charles Manson was guilty&#8211;like some people actually thought clean-cut Charley was innocent.  Now, it&#8217;s obligatory, even when a hundred witnesses see the murderer commit the crime.  You could use alleged about anything; e.g. Celeste is an alleged journalist.  Ban the word.</p>
<p>Oh, and I HATE it when a journalist refers to a killer as &#8220;the gentleman&#8221; who allegedly committed the mass murder. Gentlemen don&#8217;t go around cutting throats and murdering people.    </p>
<p>We need a major effort to wipe out gangs like we have done with organized crime.  Do you agree, Celeste?  Get in line for your Tommy-gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel - what we know is- two members of the LAPD weren&#039;t &quot;thinking&quot; about her, and they were subsequently removed from the case.   Everything else you said is completely speculative, and completely unfounded.  You have no idea what her parents thought of her, nor what her lawyer thought of her.  Nor what anybody else thought of her, for that matter.  And we definitely don&#039;t know if she made, what we would consider, &quot;unfortunate&quot; choices or not, outside of her quite prudent choice not to rat on a know murderer in order to protect herself, which in in hindsight was a bit like Sophie&#039;s Choice.. What we DO know is a 16 year old girl was murdered by thugs who&#039;s actions were set in motion by the callousness of two police officers, and this is an absolute tragedy.

This entire thread is filled with people who think they can read minds, lets stick to what we actually know happened, and quit the arm chair psychology.  Now rather than waste time questioning peoples motives, what can we do so this never happens again.   

And by the way, I hold police officer to a high standard than gang bangers, I don&#039;t know why I just do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel &#8211; what we know is- two members of the LAPD weren&#8217;t &#8220;thinking&#8221; about her, and they were subsequently removed from the case.   Everything else you said is completely speculative, and completely unfounded.  You have no idea what her parents thought of her, nor what her lawyer thought of her.  Nor what anybody else thought of her, for that matter.  And we definitely don&#8217;t know if she made, what we would consider, &#8220;unfortunate&#8221; choices or not, outside of her quite prudent choice not to rat on a know murderer in order to protect herself, which in in hindsight was a bit like Sophie&#8217;s Choice.. What we DO know is a 16 year old girl was murdered by thugs who&#8217;s actions were set in motion by the callousness of two police officers, and this is an absolute tragedy.</p>
<p>This entire thread is filled with people who think they can read minds, lets stick to what we actually know happened, and quit the arm chair psychology.  Now rather than waste time questioning peoples motives, what can we do so this never happens again.   </p>
<p>And by the way, I hold police officer to a high standard than gang bangers, I don&#8217;t know why I just do.</p>
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