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	<title>Comments on: Jamiel Shaw and Rashomon &#8211; Los Angeles Style &#8211; UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Albert Robles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Robles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all, this is Albert Robles candidate for District Attorney - the only Democrat running.

I am an attorney.  I graduated from UC Berkeley Law School with honors.  I also was a judicial extern for the Chief Judge, of the United States District Court, Central District of California, i.e., in Downtown LA.

Moreover, I am the only candidate with a Master&#039;s Degree in Public Administration, which is what the District Attorney is - an administrator of a large County Department.

I pledge to be the District Attorney we all expect... &quot;champion of the people, defender of the truth and guardian of our civil liberties.&quot;  It sounds simple enough, but the incumbent DA has failed us at each and every level.

For more information visit my website www.albertrobles.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all, this is Albert Robles candidate for District Attorney &#8211; the only Democrat running.</p>
<p>I am an attorney.  I graduated from UC Berkeley Law School with honors.  I also was a judicial extern for the Chief Judge, of the United States District Court, Central District of California, i.e., in Downtown LA.</p>
<p>Moreover, I am the only candidate with a Master&#8217;s Degree in Public Administration, which is what the District Attorney is &#8211; an administrator of a large County Department.</p>
<p>I pledge to be the District Attorney we all expect&#8230; &#8220;champion of the people, defender of the truth and guardian of our civil liberties.&#8221;  It sounds simple enough, but the incumbent DA has failed us at each and every level.</p>
<p>For more information visit my website <a href="http://www.albertrobles.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.albertrobles.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: lost resident</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/jamiel-shaw-and-rashomon-los-angeles-style/comment-page-1/#comment-15377</link>
		<dc:creator>lost resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So do I want the police tasked with monitoring the immigration status of the hangers on, the wannabes, and the young men who ought to have better taste in friends, and targeting them for deportation?&lt;/i&gt;

Hell yes, I want these dumb asses deported, if you are here being an idiot, I say &quot;Hasta La Vista Baby.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So do I want the police tasked with monitoring the immigration status of the hangers on, the wannabes, and the young men who ought to have better taste in friends, and targeting them for deportation?</i></p>
<p>Hell yes, I want these dumb asses deported, if you are here being an idiot, I say &#8220;Hasta La Vista Baby.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lost resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>lost resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News flash - If you sneak into the country you are here &quot;illegally&quot; not undocumented. 

News Flash - If you are using a fake I.D. and social security number you are committing another crime.

When has the L.A. Mayor, Huizar, Reyes and Alarcon ever supported ANY type of immigration enorcement? When ICE/INS does it&#039;s job these clowns are screaming about unfair and unjust immigration enforcement.  
 
Reg is right again when he says

&quot;&lt;i&gt;seems more likely the result of a political agenda by folks who want the line between legal and illegal immigration to be declared nonexistent than a policy of respecting police professionalism and â€œbest practices.&lt;/i&gt;.â€

Countries We have immigration laws for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News flash &#8211; If you sneak into the country you are here &#8220;illegally&#8221; not undocumented. </p>
<p>News Flash &#8211; If you are using a fake I.D. and social security number you are committing another crime.</p>
<p>When has the L.A. Mayor, Huizar, Reyes and Alarcon ever supported ANY type of immigration enorcement? When ICE/INS does it&#8217;s job these clowns are screaming about unfair and unjust immigration enforcement.  </p>
<p>Reg is right again when he says</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>seems more likely the result of a political agenda by folks who want the line between legal and illegal immigration to be declared nonexistent than a policy of respecting police professionalism and â€œbest practices.</i>.â€</p>
<p>Countries We have immigration laws for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree with reg on the last part especially:  the way Bratton denigrates those favoring some version of Jamiel&#039;s Law or just clarifying and using the teeth that do exist in SO40 as &quot;Immigration Haters,&quot; reflects &quot;a political agenda by folks who want the line between legal and illegal immigration to be declared nonexistent.&quot;  And Celeste, that includes you, as is clear from all your previous posts, regardless of subject (gangs, schools, law enforcement and penalties, crime in general, intervention programs...)

But again, I must point out that there&#039;s plenty of blame and lack of coordination to go around, extending first and foremost to the DA Steve Cooley&#039;s office, by design, while he has the specific charge of prosecuting felonies and has by far the biggest, most highly paid staff to do it; then to  the Sheriff&#039;s Dept., INS/ICE, and on down the line.  But the pressure they feel (especially Baca and ICE, Cooley doesn&#039;t care what they think) from our local leadership and LAPD Brass to butt out of L A&#039;s affairs when it comes to prosecuting and deporting illegal criminals, has a chilling effect on efforts to coordinate databases and enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree with reg on the last part especially:  the way Bratton denigrates those favoring some version of Jamiel&#8217;s Law or just clarifying and using the teeth that do exist in SO40 as &#8220;Immigration Haters,&#8221; reflects &#8220;a political agenda by folks who want the line between legal and illegal immigration to be declared nonexistent.&#8221;  And Celeste, that includes you, as is clear from all your previous posts, regardless of subject (gangs, schools, law enforcement and penalties, crime in general, intervention programs&#8230;)</p>
<p>But again, I must point out that there&#8217;s plenty of blame and lack of coordination to go around, extending first and foremost to the DA Steve Cooley&#8217;s office, by design, while he has the specific charge of prosecuting felonies and has by far the biggest, most highly paid staff to do it; then to  the Sheriff&#8217;s Dept., INS/ICE, and on down the line.  But the pressure they feel (especially Baca and ICE, Cooley doesn&#8217;t care what they think) from our local leadership and LAPD Brass to butt out of L A&#8217;s affairs when it comes to prosecuting and deporting illegal criminals, has a chilling effect on efforts to coordinate databases and enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how &quot;demoting&quot; this from a purely racially motivated murder (which I doubt it was given the affiliation of, at the least, the shooter and that it apparently happened on rival turf) to a purely gang-related murder makes the potential for retaliation any less real. In fact, if it&#039;s documented that it&#039;s gang related  - whether because of tangible gang associations by Shaw or simply mistaken identity or a false assumption of gang membership by the shooter -  and not a &quot;hate crime&quot; by an individual as some have characterized it, doesn&#039;t that actually up the ante ?   Certainly it&#039;s incumbent on activists and community leaders and friends of the victim to step in and try to stop any retaliation, but this whole bit about &quot;was he or wasn&#039;t he&quot; seems like a dubious discussion that doesn&#039;t lead to anything other than to cast the victim in a negative light. I&#039;d be outraged on top of the pain if I were his parent.  

And at least some of this discourse does seem to be related to the fact that there are groups involved with an agenda that demands that any and all questions about illegal immigration status not ever be part of a police investigation prior to actual arrest and  incarceration.  I totally understand why police shouldn&#039;t put a priority on enforcing immigration law, but to take any such questions off the table totally in pursuit of criminal suspects  - or forbid using immigration enforcement against known suspects - especially serial suspects who it&#039;s hard to make a case against - makes zero sense.  This kind of wall around a single category of law - which IMHO SHOULD be subject to an explicit policy of very discretionary enforcement by local police, including giving a pass to likely gang members who aren&#039;t suspected of any particular crimes  - seems more likely the result of  a political agenda by folks who want the line between legal and illegal immigration to be declared nonexistent than a policy of respecting police professionalism and &quot;best practices.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how &#8220;demoting&#8221; this from a purely racially motivated murder (which I doubt it was given the affiliation of, at the least, the shooter and that it apparently happened on rival turf) to a purely gang-related murder makes the potential for retaliation any less real. In fact, if it&#8217;s documented that it&#8217;s gang related  &#8211; whether because of tangible gang associations by Shaw or simply mistaken identity or a false assumption of gang membership by the shooter &#8211;  and not a &#8220;hate crime&#8221; by an individual as some have characterized it, doesn&#8217;t that actually up the ante ?   Certainly it&#8217;s incumbent on activists and community leaders and friends of the victim to step in and try to stop any retaliation, but this whole bit about &#8220;was he or wasn&#8217;t he&#8221; seems like a dubious discussion that doesn&#8217;t lead to anything other than to cast the victim in a negative light. I&#8217;d be outraged on top of the pain if I were his parent.  </p>
<p>And at least some of this discourse does seem to be related to the fact that there are groups involved with an agenda that demands that any and all questions about illegal immigration status not ever be part of a police investigation prior to actual arrest and  incarceration.  I totally understand why police shouldn&#8217;t put a priority on enforcing immigration law, but to take any such questions off the table totally in pursuit of criminal suspects  &#8211; or forbid using immigration enforcement against known suspects &#8211; especially serial suspects who it&#8217;s hard to make a case against &#8211; makes zero sense.  This kind of wall around a single category of law &#8211; which IMHO SHOULD be subject to an explicit policy of very discretionary enforcement by local police, including giving a pass to likely gang members who aren&#8217;t suspected of any particular crimes  &#8211; seems more likely the result of  a political agenda by folks who want the line between legal and illegal immigration to be declared nonexistent than a policy of respecting police professionalism and &#8220;best practices.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 01:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gangs wars?  The 18th Street gang and the Bloods...like Israelis and Arabs, Mafia families, Hatfields and McCoys--all long-term feuds?  Don&#039;t look for a solution any time soon.

If you have two kids fighting, what do you do?  Well, if they won&#039;t quit fighting and they won&#039;t make up, you separate them.  How do you separate gangs?  Well, don&#039;t allow trouble makers from another country into this country and don&#039;t allow them to stay here if they sneak in.

Oh, I&#039;m sorry.  That&#039;s hijackinig the conversation.

Celeste, you care for people so much that you won&#039;t suggest cures that might offend them.  That distracts from finding a solution and makes you no help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gangs wars?  The 18th Street gang and the Bloods&#8230;like Israelis and Arabs, Mafia families, Hatfields and McCoys&#8211;all long-term feuds?  Don&#8217;t look for a solution any time soon.</p>
<p>If you have two kids fighting, what do you do?  Well, if they won&#8217;t quit fighting and they won&#8217;t make up, you separate them.  How do you separate gangs?  Well, don&#8217;t allow trouble makers from another country into this country and don&#8217;t allow them to stay here if they sneak in.</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m sorry.  That&#8217;s hijackinig the conversation.</p>
<p>Celeste, you care for people so much that you won&#8217;t suggest cures that might offend them.  That distracts from finding a solution and makes you no help.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR, I&#039;m for deporting people like Pedro Espinoza, as I&#039;ve said here multiple times.  He SHOULD have been deported.  As to why he wasn&#039;t, start leaning on Lee Baca and the Sheriff&#039;s department. Ask &lt;em&gt;them.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ll say it once again: Gang members----or anyone else for that matter---who are convicted of most any felony (and certainly anything gun-related) face mandatory deportation according to federal law.  Their status is supposed to be determined when they are in jail.  

So why was Pedro Espinoza not deported?  You tell me. It has zero to do with SO 40.

News flash:  being a gang member is not a crime.  Committing crimes makes you a criminal.  Dressing a certain way and hanging out with the wrong people does not.  So do I want the police tasked with monitoring the immigration status of the hangers on, the wannabes, and the young men who ought to have better taste in friends, and targeting them for deportation?  

No I do not.  If you&#039;re going that route, at least be honest about it and say you want to wipe S.O. 40 altogether.

But personally, the last thing I want my overstressed police force to be doing is chasing after non-criminal, undocumented gang members.  We think we&#039;ve got a bad response time now....pass some damn fool law like that and see what you get.

I&#039;m sick to death of the rhetoric on this. Deport criminals.  Please.  Nobody&#039;s stopping anybody from doing that.  And if those who run the LA County jails and ICE are NOT deporting convicted criminals without papers, they&#039;re not doing their jobs. Focus your attention on them, not on those of us who want a consistent, rational, &lt;em&gt;practical&lt;/em&gt; gang policy.

PS:  And, yes, of course, there are race-related gang murders where people are targeted solely because of the color of their skin.  14 year-old Cheryl Green is the perfect terrible example.  Or Anthony Prudhomme, who wrote lovely poetry.  Or Christopher Bowser who was shot in December of 2000 while waiting for the bus, two weeks before Christmas. But let&#039;s call those race-based murders for what they are and not incorrectly label those that are not.

Oh, yeah, and the shooters who killed all of the people listed above were U.S. citizens. 

Thanks for commmenting, LR, but this stuff makes me nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR, I&#8217;m for deporting people like Pedro Espinoza, as I&#8217;ve said here multiple times.  He SHOULD have been deported.  As to why he wasn&#8217;t, start leaning on Lee Baca and the Sheriff&#8217;s department. Ask <em>them.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it once again: Gang members&#8212;-or anyone else for that matter&#8212;who are convicted of most any felony (and certainly anything gun-related) face mandatory deportation according to federal law.  Their status is supposed to be determined when they are in jail.  </p>
<p>So why was Pedro Espinoza not deported?  You tell me. It has zero to do with SO 40.</p>
<p>News flash:  being a gang member is not a crime.  Committing crimes makes you a criminal.  Dressing a certain way and hanging out with the wrong people does not.  So do I want the police tasked with monitoring the immigration status of the hangers on, the wannabes, and the young men who ought to have better taste in friends, and targeting them for deportation?  </p>
<p>No I do not.  If you&#8217;re going that route, at least be honest about it and say you want to wipe S.O. 40 altogether.</p>
<p>But personally, the last thing I want my overstressed police force to be doing is chasing after non-criminal, undocumented gang members.  We think we&#8217;ve got a bad response time now&#8230;.pass some damn fool law like that and see what you get.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick to death of the rhetoric on this. Deport criminals.  Please.  Nobody&#8217;s stopping anybody from doing that.  And if those who run the LA County jails and ICE are NOT deporting convicted criminals without papers, they&#8217;re not doing their jobs. Focus your attention on them, not on those of us who want a consistent, rational, <em>practical</em> gang policy.</p>
<p>PS:  And, yes, of course, there are race-related gang murders where people are targeted solely because of the color of their skin.  14 year-old Cheryl Green is the perfect terrible example.  Or Anthony Prudhomme, who wrote lovely poetry.  Or Christopher Bowser who was shot in December of 2000 while waiting for the bus, two weeks before Christmas. But let&#8217;s call those race-based murders for what they are and not incorrectly label those that are not.</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, and the shooters who killed all of the people listed above were U.S. citizens. </p>
<p>Thanks for commmenting, LR, but this stuff makes me nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with LR at #11, but DA Steve Cooley is complicit, as well.  He routinely plea bargains felonies down to early release, and his main challengers, Asst. DA Steve Ipsen and non-attorney Albert Robles, both say he won&#039;t touch the issue of illegal immigrant gang members and felons either, on principle.  However, as DA, it&#039;s his job to prosecute felonies and he has hundreds of staff investigators who are supposed to do this, and a thousand attorneys.  

He prefers to blame Sheriff Baca for this failure, when Baca doesn&#039;t have the investigators devoted to this, and ICE has only two investigators assigned to all the county jails.  Between then, they missed Espinoza, took his WORD that he was born in the U.S., and released him -- when he was on LAPD&#039;s list, but that was kept from these other law enforcement agencies.  Sure SP40 and local political pandering are to blame for the illegal gang problem, but so is the DA -- he&#039;s almost worse, because he won&#039;t even admit his duplicity, and claims to be tough on crime while doing just the opposite.  He claims that as a Republican, he&#039;s not part of the &quot;City Hall clique,&quot; but he&#039;s allegedly even worse, taking his orders from the criminal defense attorneys who represent some top revenue generators for the Mex. Cartels.

Instead, he pulls DA&#039;s OFF cases when they get too close, especially to high-profile known criminals like the officials in Bell, Cudahy, HG, etc., known to be on the payroll of the Mexican Drug Cartels -- a group he&#039;d promised to prosecute if elected over Gil Garcetti.

Ch. 36 aired a two-part, one-hour interview with Ipsen and Robles Monday night on &quot;Full Disclosure,&quot; hosted by Leslie Dutton (who claims Cooley sent his thugs to intimidate her into not documenting the recent Gang Summit hosted by Bratton and attended by law enforcement from across the western Hemisphere, incl. Baca, the CA, etc., but snubbed by him).  

See www.fulldisclosure.net for interview excerpts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with LR at #11, but DA Steve Cooley is complicit, as well.  He routinely plea bargains felonies down to early release, and his main challengers, Asst. DA Steve Ipsen and non-attorney Albert Robles, both say he won&#8217;t touch the issue of illegal immigrant gang members and felons either, on principle.  However, as DA, it&#8217;s his job to prosecute felonies and he has hundreds of staff investigators who are supposed to do this, and a thousand attorneys.  </p>
<p>He prefers to blame Sheriff Baca for this failure, when Baca doesn&#8217;t have the investigators devoted to this, and ICE has only two investigators assigned to all the county jails.  Between then, they missed Espinoza, took his WORD that he was born in the U.S., and released him &#8212; when he was on LAPD&#8217;s list, but that was kept from these other law enforcement agencies.  Sure SP40 and local political pandering are to blame for the illegal gang problem, but so is the DA &#8212; he&#8217;s almost worse, because he won&#8217;t even admit his duplicity, and claims to be tough on crime while doing just the opposite.  He claims that as a Republican, he&#8217;s not part of the &#8220;City Hall clique,&#8221; but he&#8217;s allegedly even worse, taking his orders from the criminal defense attorneys who represent some top revenue generators for the Mex. Cartels.</p>
<p>Instead, he pulls DA&#8217;s OFF cases when they get too close, especially to high-profile known criminals like the officials in Bell, Cudahy, HG, etc., known to be on the payroll of the Mexican Drug Cartels &#8212; a group he&#8217;d promised to prosecute if elected over Gil Garcetti.</p>
<p>Ch. 36 aired a two-part, one-hour interview with Ipsen and Robles Monday night on &#8220;Full Disclosure,&#8221; hosted by Leslie Dutton (who claims Cooley sent his thugs to intimidate her into not documenting the recent Gang Summit hosted by Bratton and attended by law enforcement from across the western Hemisphere, incl. Baca, the CA, etc., but snubbed by him).  </p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.fulldisclosure.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.fulldisclosure.net</a> for interview excerpts.</p>
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		<title>By: lost resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>lost resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reg &quot;stole&quot; my thoughts in his very early comments, just a few minutes behind Woody. While Celeste feels that any mention of the fact that Pedro Espinoza was in the country illegally, can only be made by â€œrabidly anti-immigrant, Doug McIntyre, typesâ€ there are also those groups â€œrabidlyâ€ pandering for illegal aliens, who are trying to minimize the murder of Jamiel Shaw to draw attention away from the fact that Pedro Espinoza and thousands of other criminals are in the country illegally. Sheriff Baca estimates that 25% of his jail inmates are illegal aliens; you wonâ€™t hear the Mayor, Reyes, Huizar, Alarcon and most city clowncil members ever mention that fact. Why would we not want the LAPD cops to arrest and deport gang members who are in the country illegally? One does not to be â€œrapidâ€ to want the police and INS/ICE to enforce immigration laws, anybody in L.A. knows the Mayor and other city politicians do NOT want any type of immigration enforcement.

The Mayor and police Chief ignore the racial violence by latino gangs in Los Angeles; there have been many racially motivated murders and attempted murders.  Remember Avenues gang, Florencia gang, 204st Harbor Gateway gang, and murders in Hawaiian Gardens, San Fernando, Valley and Monrovia? The mayor wants to hire more and more cops, while at the same time expecting cops to ignore the fact that a large percentage of gang members are illegal aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reg &#8220;stole&#8221; my thoughts in his very early comments, just a few minutes behind Woody. While Celeste feels that any mention of the fact that Pedro Espinoza was in the country illegally, can only be made by â€œrabidly anti-immigrant, Doug McIntyre, typesâ€ there are also those groups â€œrabidlyâ€ pandering for illegal aliens, who are trying to minimize the murder of Jamiel Shaw to draw attention away from the fact that Pedro Espinoza and thousands of other criminals are in the country illegally. Sheriff Baca estimates that 25% of his jail inmates are illegal aliens; you wonâ€™t hear the Mayor, Reyes, Huizar, Alarcon and most city clowncil members ever mention that fact. Why would we not want the LAPD cops to arrest and deport gang members who are in the country illegally? One does not to be â€œrapidâ€ to want the police and INS/ICE to enforce immigration laws, anybody in L.A. knows the Mayor and other city politicians do NOT want any type of immigration enforcement.</p>
<p>The Mayor and police Chief ignore the racial violence by latino gangs in Los Angeles; there have been many racially motivated murders and attempted murders.  Remember Avenues gang, Florencia gang, 204st Harbor Gateway gang, and murders in Hawaiian Gardens, San Fernando, Valley and Monrovia? The mayor wants to hire more and more cops, while at the same time expecting cops to ignore the fact that a large percentage of gang members are illegal aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/jamiel-shaw-and-rashomon-los-angeles-style/comment-page-1/#comment-15204</link>
		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is all stimulating a useful dialog, great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is all stimulating a useful dialog, great.</p>
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