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		<title>By: tips</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/jamiel-shaw-and-gangs/comment-page-1/#comment-75607</link>
		<dc:creator>tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice site try it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice site try it here.</p>
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		<title>By: omar martinez</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/jamiel-shaw-and-gangs/comment-page-1/#comment-66574</link>
		<dc:creator>omar martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK CRABS FUCK SLOBS FUCK JAMIEL. ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG BAD ASS WEST SIDE 18ST GANG. PEDRO ESPINOZA(STONER) WAS PUTTING IN WORK FOR OUR SET. AND THAT SLOB GOT WHAT HE NNEDED. FUCK HIM FUCK CRABS FUCK SLOBS FUCK NORPUTOS AND FUCK ALL OUR HATERS. ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG BAD ASS WEST SIDE 18ST GANG.ESPECIALITY FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIERDA SECAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK CRABS FUCK SLOBS FUCK JAMIEL. ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG BAD ASS WEST SIDE 18ST GANG. PEDRO ESPINOZA(STONER) WAS PUTTING IN WORK FOR OUR SET. AND THAT SLOB GOT WHAT HE NNEDED. FUCK HIM FUCK CRABS FUCK SLOBS FUCK NORPUTOS AND FUCK ALL OUR HATERS. ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG BAD ASS WEST SIDE 18ST GANG.ESPECIALITY FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIERDA SECAS</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Resident</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/jamiel-shaw-and-gangs/comment-page-1/#comment-14466</link>
		<dc:creator>Lost Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Pop-Eyo makes commets like...
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Everyone I work with carefully listens to me with great admiration, for telling the truth on whats behind the scenes and curtains.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You better expect, to have your comments &quot;admired&quot; and critiqued by us.

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Celeste writes...
&lt;i&gt;&quot;LR, no one, no one no one, is saying that Jamiel Shaw deserved what happened to him, or are in any way trying to make him responsible. Good lord!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I suggest you read a few other blogs, Jamiel Shaw has been smeared on other blogs, I was not refering to any comment here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Pop-Eyo makes commets like&#8230;<br />
<i>&#8220;Everyone I work with carefully listens to me with great admiration, for telling the truth on whats behind the scenes and curtains.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You better expect, to have your comments &#8220;admired&#8221; and critiqued by us.</p>
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Celeste writes&#8230;<br />
<i>&#8220;LR, no one, no one no one, is saying that Jamiel Shaw deserved what happened to him, or are in any way trying to make him responsible. Good lord!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I suggest you read a few other blogs, Jamiel Shaw has been smeared on other blogs, I was not refering to any comment here.</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/gangs/2008/admin/jamiel-shaw-and-gangs/comment-page-1/#comment-14415</link>
		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess Dep. Chief Moore won&#039;t be getting references from gangbangers like the San Fers.  Sounds like a recommendation.  And he&#039;s managed to cooperate with ICE, unafraid of political pressure.  Put the guy in charge of the whole department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess Dep. Chief Moore won&#8217;t be getting references from gangbangers like the San Fers.  Sounds like a recommendation.  And he&#8217;s managed to cooperate with ICE, unafraid of political pressure.  Put the guy in charge of the whole department.</p>
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		<title>By: PoL ( o ) ( o ) ck!</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoL ( o ) ( o ) ck!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lost Resident....thanks for comming at me the right way. 
FYI - Cartels have been operating in SouthEast LA and ordering hits since the around the late 1970s. I will not go into details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lost Resident&#8230;.thanks for comming at me the right way.<br />
FYI &#8211; Cartels have been operating in SouthEast LA and ordering hits since the around the late 1970s. I will not go into details.</p>
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		<title>By: PoL ( o ) ( o ) ck!</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoL ( o ) ( o ) ck!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ask around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ask around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PoL ( o ) ( o ) ck!</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoL ( o ) ( o ) ck!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know as much and even more than the retired Sgt. 
Remember, he is not the only gang and organized mafia eme expert. A handful of his theories have been twisted from the original investigation and historical concept. Again, those facts were revealed to him and provided by a very intelligent officer/agent (which I believe made a stupid mistake of telling him). Rich took it upon himself to turn it around and mix in his personal prejudices against mexican illegals. Again, with all due respect for boooking asshole 30+years, the Sgt is not a perfect man. 
 After seeing all the stupid comments and responses made here, its wise that i just stay out of the continue dialogue.  There is nothing to gain to listen to people that have zero knowledge of street level movements. 
On a final note, Chief Moore is a idiot - as around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know as much and even more than the retired Sgt.<br />
Remember, he is not the only gang and organized mafia eme expert. A handful of his theories have been twisted from the original investigation and historical concept. Again, those facts were revealed to him and provided by a very intelligent officer/agent (which I believe made a stupid mistake of telling him). Rich took it upon himself to turn it around and mix in his personal prejudices against mexican illegals. Again, with all due respect for boooking asshole 30+years, the Sgt is not a perfect man.<br />
 After seeing all the stupid comments and responses made here, its wise that i just stay out of the continue dialogue.  There is nothing to gain to listen to people that have zero knowledge of street level movements.<br />
On a final note, Chief Moore is a idiot &#8211; as around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, WBC, in your last post.

LR, no one, no one no one, is saying that Jamiel Shaw deserved  what happened to him, or are in any way trying to make him responsible. Good lord!  

Reg, re:  your # 17, this is only if the cop happens to know, anecdotally, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, WBC, in your last post.</p>
<p>LR, no one, no one no one, is saying that Jamiel Shaw deserved  what happened to him, or are in any way trying to make him responsible. Good lord!  </p>
<p>Reg, re:  your # 17, this is only if the cop happens to know, anecdotally, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18th gang members from Los Angeles are being arrested all over the country. Does Alex AssAlonso think the L.A. gangs don&#039;t take their drug dealing and crimes national? 

Alonso does not know shit about gangs if he thinks 18th street and Mara Salvatrucha are NOT super gangs. Alonso needs to get his dumb ass to Honduras and El Salvador to talk to the prison guards, residents and local police. I guess Alonso has never heard of the mass killing of people riding in a bus or the beheading of young women to send a mesage to the Honduran president and his &quot;mano dura&quot; policy against these gangs.

If wonder what Popolock kwons about the influence of mexico style politics on cities like Cudahy and Bellflower. If Poplock knows anything about gangs, he should know how the mexican drug cartels are moving into the U.S., and how are uncontrolled immigration has helped the process. If we want cities like Tijuana just keep allowing everybody and anybody to sneak across the border. Does Polplock know more than a 30yr gang cop like Sgt Valdemar?

And how many kids who are recent immigrants fall into gangs? I would guess the U.S. has paid back billions in free hospital car and schools to illegal immigrants. Property was cheap back in 1930, hospitals today are damn expensive. 

And a few sumbags are now trying to make the victim of a murder seem as if he deserved it, It&#039;s like Reg said, it like blaming a woamn for provoking a rape by the clothes she was wearing. The kid was walking home and not involved in a gun battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18th gang members from Los Angeles are being arrested all over the country. Does Alex AssAlonso think the L.A. gangs don&#8217;t take their drug dealing and crimes national? </p>
<p>Alonso does not know shit about gangs if he thinks 18th street and Mara Salvatrucha are NOT super gangs. Alonso needs to get his dumb ass to Honduras and El Salvador to talk to the prison guards, residents and local police. I guess Alonso has never heard of the mass killing of people riding in a bus or the beheading of young women to send a mesage to the Honduran president and his &#8220;mano dura&#8221; policy against these gangs.</p>
<p>If wonder what Popolock kwons about the influence of mexico style politics on cities like Cudahy and Bellflower. If Poplock knows anything about gangs, he should know how the mexican drug cartels are moving into the U.S., and how are uncontrolled immigration has helped the process. If we want cities like Tijuana just keep allowing everybody and anybody to sneak across the border. Does Polplock know more than a 30yr gang cop like Sgt Valdemar?</p>
<p>And how many kids who are recent immigrants fall into gangs? I would guess the U.S. has paid back billions in free hospital car and schools to illegal immigrants. Property was cheap back in 1930, hospitals today are damn expensive. </p>
<p>And a few sumbags are now trying to make the victim of a murder seem as if he deserved it, It&#8217;s like Reg said, it like blaming a woamn for provoking a rape by the clothes she was wearing. The kid was walking home and not involved in a gun battle.</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, today&#039;s LATimes article on how LAUSD is failing gifted students (of which I&#039;m sadly aware) gives current enrollment stats by race:  Latinos, 72.8%; Black, 11.2%; White, 8.9%; and Asian, 3.7%.  So just in sheer numbers and the sudden increase in the last decade, blacks must feel they&#039;re being pushed out of more and more of their neighborhoods, feeling under siege; this is the case at many schools, too, and the Times has reported tensions between black and Hispanic parents over this, too:  e.g., Hispanics often want to conduct meetings in Spanish, demand curricula &quot;culturally relevant&quot; to them, etc.  While no individual life of any color or race is worth more or less than another, the black gangs are reported to feel more pressure to &quot;hold on&quot; to their turf.

In percentages of kids enrolling in GATE/ Gifted programs by race, the Asians are represented at 4X their total numbers, whites by almost 3X, while Latinos just 2/3 and blacks by even slightly less than that (7%).  So they haven&#039;t made much headway in the last few decades and feel the Title I funds their community activists scored in the 60&#039;s are now going disproportionately to Hispanics.  This all spills over into tensions and violence at schools like Locke, even as young as Middle like at Markham.  The overall city population is closer to half Hispanic, but their high birth rate makes their kids almost 3/4 the school population.  With Latinos having the much highest birth rates, these stats will be even more skewed; tensions among the poorest segments of population who are stuck in place are inevitable.  Our political and law enforcement leaders really have to hold open dialogues about this to tamp tensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, today&#8217;s LATimes article on how LAUSD is failing gifted students (of which I&#8217;m sadly aware) gives current enrollment stats by race:  Latinos, 72.8%; Black, 11.2%; White, 8.9%; and Asian, 3.7%.  So just in sheer numbers and the sudden increase in the last decade, blacks must feel they&#8217;re being pushed out of more and more of their neighborhoods, feeling under siege; this is the case at many schools, too, and the Times has reported tensions between black and Hispanic parents over this, too:  e.g., Hispanics often want to conduct meetings in Spanish, demand curricula &#8220;culturally relevant&#8221; to them, etc.  While no individual life of any color or race is worth more or less than another, the black gangs are reported to feel more pressure to &#8220;hold on&#8221; to their turf.</p>
<p>In percentages of kids enrolling in GATE/ Gifted programs by race, the Asians are represented at 4X their total numbers, whites by almost 3X, while Latinos just 2/3 and blacks by even slightly less than that (7%).  So they haven&#8217;t made much headway in the last few decades and feel the Title I funds their community activists scored in the 60&#8217;s are now going disproportionately to Hispanics.  This all spills over into tensions and violence at schools like Locke, even as young as Middle like at Markham.  The overall city population is closer to half Hispanic, but their high birth rate makes their kids almost 3/4 the school population.  With Latinos having the much highest birth rates, these stats will be even more skewed; tensions among the poorest segments of population who are stuck in place are inevitable.  Our political and law enforcement leaders really have to hold open dialogues about this to tamp tensions.</p>
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