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	<title>Comments on: Who is Leading Whom in California&#8217;s Sane City Planning Movement?</title>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may take you up on the visit.  However, if I want to watch people flutter about like fairies, then I just have to go to Atlanta&#039;s Piedmont Park in midtown.  My daughter got married outside at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens which borders on Piedmont Park, and no one told us that the Gay Pride Festival would be going on there at the same time.  

I have an old friend who helps run the &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asf.net/index.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alabama Shakespeare Festival&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; in Montgomery, which is first class and only a two hour drive away.  But, they don&#039;t have fairies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may take you up on the visit.  However, if I want to watch people flutter about like fairies, then I just have to go to Atlanta&#8217;s Piedmont Park in midtown.  My daughter got married outside at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens which borders on Piedmont Park, and no one told us that the Gay Pride Festival would be going on there at the same time.  </p>
<p>I have an old friend who helps run the <b><a href="http://www.asf.net/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">Alabama Shakespeare Festival</a></b> in Montgomery, which is first class and only a two hour drive away.  But, they don&#8217;t have fairies.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look forward to meeting you Celeste.  If, of course, I&#039;m working that day.  And, I do expect you to bring Marc Cooper along with you.

And Woody if you fly in from Atlanta, I&#039;ll be happy to comp him a couple of tickets.  It might do you some good - make you a little less uptight:)  You&#039;ll get to see some great theatre, have a picnic, and watch people dressed in fairy costumes flutter about while you eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look forward to meeting you Celeste.  If, of course, I&#8217;m working that day.  And, I do expect you to bring Marc Cooper along with you.</p>
<p>And Woody if you fly in from Atlanta, I&#8217;ll be happy to comp him a couple of tickets.  It might do you some good &#8211; make you a little less uptight:)  You&#8217;ll get to see some great theatre, have a picnic, and watch people dressed in fairy costumes flutter about while you eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, will do!

LR, not sure the kid tax thingy would fly.  But, hey, there&#039;s a provocative Op Ed waiting to be written! People would came at you with all manner of projectiles but it would certainly open up an interesting discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, will do!</p>
<p>LR, not sure the kid tax thingy would fly.  But, hey, there&#8217;s a provocative Op Ed waiting to be written! People would came at you with all manner of projectiles but it would certainly open up an interesting discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste,

We have more than enough people living in S. California, time to try and limit population growth. I would change the tax laws, people should have to pay more taxes for each kid, not less.  And of course we need a lot more MTA trains all over S. Calif. The majority of driving is commuting for work, not sure how you fix that, even if you move close to work, the job probaly won&#039;t last long and you will be freeway commuting again.

Most &quot;suburban sprawl&quot; towns have their own school district, local stores/shopping and some jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste,</p>
<p>We have more than enough people living in S. California, time to try and limit population growth. I would change the tax laws, people should have to pay more taxes for each kid, not less.  And of course we need a lot more MTA trains all over S. Calif. The majority of driving is commuting for work, not sure how you fix that, even if you move close to work, the job probaly won&#8217;t last long and you will be freeway commuting again.</p>
<p>Most &#8220;suburban sprawl&#8221; towns have their own school district, local stores/shopping and some jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on down and say hi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on down and say hi.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live actually within a ten minute walk from the Theatricum.  It is a heavenly place, isn&#039;t it?  Anyone who&#039;s not seen Midsummer Night&#039;s Dream there, should go no matter what.  (Woody you should fly in from Georgia.)  To  my way of thinking, it&#039;s exactly what Will S. had in mind (whether he knew it or not).

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/709231/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live actually within a ten minute walk from the Theatricum.  It is a heavenly place, isn&#8217;t it?  Anyone who&#8217;s not seen Midsummer Night&#8217;s Dream there, should go no matter what.  (Woody you should fly in from Georgia.)  To  my way of thinking, it&#8217;s exactly what Will S. had in mind (whether he knew it or not).</p>
<p><a href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/709231/" rel="nofollow">http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/709231/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Celeste:

You do live next to the Theatricum Botanicum.  That&#039;s something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Celeste:</p>
<p>You do live next to the Theatricum Botanicum.  That&#8217;s something!</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR, nobody wants the government telling us where we can live and where we can&#039;t. I certainly don&#039;t.  I live in Topanga Canyon, which is close to exactly nothing.

 On the other hand, we have lots of building regulations as it is, some smart, some driven by fear of liability.  IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d welcome some wiser planning.

And when you look at some of the Smart Growth stuff it&#039;s kind of interesting, and seems community oriented and possibly more functional, from a human perspective, as well as from an environmental impact POV.  I honestly don&#039;t know enough to have a strong opinion, but I do know that the path of least resistance isn&#039;t always the right one and I don&#039;t think our suburban sprawl has been ideal.  

Where I go up in Montana (my motherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s from MT), it&#039;s much more of a multi-use situation, although people have plenty of yard space, and we have a river in our back yard.  But a lot of the places we have to go for day-to-day needs plus the elementary school are within walking or biking distance.  There&#039;s much more of a community feel.

Obviously, a sparsely populated state like Montana is never going to be analogous to So Cal, but wiser planning seems like a worthy goal.  Whether or not this bill represents wise planning or not, I don&#039;t know.  I was first introduced to this whole notion when I got curious about what Jerry Brown was doing.

But check out this link.   

http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/

And heaven knows we&#039;re all sick of the traffic.  So what should we do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR, nobody wants the government telling us where we can live and where we can&#8217;t. I certainly don&#8217;t.  I live in Topanga Canyon, which is close to exactly nothing.</p>
<p> On the other hand, we have lots of building regulations as it is, some smart, some driven by fear of liability.  IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d welcome some wiser planning.</p>
<p>And when you look at some of the Smart Growth stuff it&#8217;s kind of interesting, and seems community oriented and possibly more functional, from a human perspective, as well as from an environmental impact POV.  I honestly don&#8217;t know enough to have a strong opinion, but I do know that the path of least resistance isn&#8217;t always the right one and I don&#8217;t think our suburban sprawl has been ideal.  </p>
<p>Where I go up in Montana (my motherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s from MT), it&#8217;s much more of a multi-use situation, although people have plenty of yard space, and we have a river in our back yard.  But a lot of the places we have to go for day-to-day needs plus the elementary school are within walking or biking distance.  There&#8217;s much more of a community feel.</p>
<p>Obviously, a sparsely populated state like Montana is never going to be analogous to So Cal, but wiser planning seems like a worthy goal.  Whether or not this bill represents wise planning or not, I don&#8217;t know.  I was first introduced to this whole notion when I got curious about what Jerry Brown was doing.</p>
<p>But check out this link.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/</a></p>
<p>And heaven knows we&#8217;re all sick of the traffic.  So what should we do?</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what I need, the government telling me I need to live in a high density building with noisy neighbors, no privacy and no back yard. I wonder if Celeste is living in an urban sprawl area or in a multi-story building next to a Metro station whose trains won&#039;t get you where you need to be in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what I need, the government telling me I need to live in a high density building with noisy neighbors, no privacy and no back yard. I wonder if Celeste is living in an urban sprawl area or in a multi-story building next to a Metro station whose trains won&#8217;t get you where you need to be in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal, it wasn&#039;t just the free market that drove solar innovations.  It was also government subsidies.  California, of example, provides rebates of upwards of 1/3 of the cost for installing solar power in homes &amp; businesses.  And the moonbeam days were, what, 30 years ago?  Lots of stuff has happened since the seventies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal, it wasn&#8217;t just the free market that drove solar innovations.  It was also government subsidies.  California, of example, provides rebates of upwards of 1/3 of the cost for installing solar power in homes &amp; businesses.  And the moonbeam days were, what, 30 years ago?  Lots of stuff has happened since the seventies.</p>
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