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	<title>Comments on: KNBC&#8217;s The Filter&#8230;&amp;  The Beverly Hills School Board</title>
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		<title>By: Gary T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t the parents of the students on Opportunity Permits file a class-action Equal Protection lawsuit using Serrano-Priest as the basis for the suit?  I thought all students in CA public schools were to be treated equally?  I thought property taxes and the wealth of a community was not to be the basis of a good public education in CA.  Hmmm... Beverly Hills and Irvine have more money per pupil than minority communities?  Things never change.  Where&#039;s the ACLU?  MALDEF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t the parents of the students on Opportunity Permits file a class-action Equal Protection lawsuit using Serrano-Priest as the basis for the suit?  I thought all students in CA public schools were to be treated equally?  I thought property taxes and the wealth of a community was not to be the basis of a good public education in CA.  Hmmm&#8230; Beverly Hills and Irvine have more money per pupil than minority communities?  Things never change.  Where&#8217;s the ACLU?  MALDEF?</p>
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		<title>By: pOplOckerOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>pOplOckerOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you can get a great hotel room in Newport Beach for the price of your Beverly Hills home or your Cheviott Hills chÃ¢teau. You would just have to put up with THOSE Spanish Speaking people from Santa Ana trying to sneak into your school district. THEY dont pay REAL property taxes on THOSE small little homes - THEY are just renters. You know, the poor people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you can get a great hotel room in Newport Beach for the price of your Beverly Hills home or your Cheviott Hills chÃ¢teau. You would just have to put up with THOSE Spanish Speaking people from Santa Ana trying to sneak into your school district. THEY dont pay REAL property taxes on THOSE small little homes &#8211; THEY are just renters. You know, the poor people.</p>
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		<title>By: pOplOckerOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>pOplOckerOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a self centered wannabe snob. 
you make peons look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a self centered wannabe snob.<br />
you make peons look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: serious book lover</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2010/admin/knbcs-the-filter-the-beverly-hills-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-179014</link>
		<dc:creator>serious book lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste, you&#039;re right BTW to note that BHUSD&#039;s enrollment had been down in recent years because so many chose private schools.  Test scores had been significantly down, but last year significantly back up, and I&#039;ve been hearing and reading about how that too is a factor in wanting to limit class sizes.  Stats show that 36% of students are foreign born, mostly Persians; non-Persian whites make up 40%, blacks only 5%, Latinos 4% and Asians 17%.  Until recently the Persian students hadn&#039;t scored as highly as historically on English proficiency tests, and socially too, there&#039;s been a sometimes tense split between the newcomers and longer term residents, many also Jewish, but with a cultural divide.  This is something few want to admit.

Woody, yes of course satellite towns like Beverly Hills have the right to do as they wish, but what irks me is the lack of awareness or appreciation by many that they benefit greatly from proximity to LA in terms of jobs, culture, prestige and social services including schooling, which enable THEM to maintain their affluent lifestyle.  

If a tornado came and scooped up Beverly Hills whole and transplanted it more than 15 mins. from LA, instead of being splat in the middle of it, no one would go to Beverly Hills&#039; famed shops or hotels, etc.  It would be &quot;just another nice little town.&quot;  So pulling up the bridges over the moat whenever it suits them, but promoting themselves based on attractions in L A which our residents subsidize, just fuels these tensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste, you&#8217;re right BTW to note that BHUSD&#8217;s enrollment had been down in recent years because so many chose private schools.  Test scores had been significantly down, but last year significantly back up, and I&#8217;ve been hearing and reading about how that too is a factor in wanting to limit class sizes.  Stats show that 36% of students are foreign born, mostly Persians; non-Persian whites make up 40%, blacks only 5%, Latinos 4% and Asians 17%.  Until recently the Persian students hadn&#8217;t scored as highly as historically on English proficiency tests, and socially too, there&#8217;s been a sometimes tense split between the newcomers and longer term residents, many also Jewish, but with a cultural divide.  This is something few want to admit.</p>
<p>Woody, yes of course satellite towns like Beverly Hills have the right to do as they wish, but what irks me is the lack of awareness or appreciation by many that they benefit greatly from proximity to LA in terms of jobs, culture, prestige and social services including schooling, which enable THEM to maintain their affluent lifestyle.  </p>
<p>If a tornado came and scooped up Beverly Hills whole and transplanted it more than 15 mins. from LA, instead of being splat in the middle of it, no one would go to Beverly Hills&#8217; famed shops or hotels, etc.  It would be &#8220;just another nice little town.&#8221;  So pulling up the bridges over the moat whenever it suits them, but promoting themselves based on attractions in L A which our residents subsidize, just fuels these tensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on school problems:  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is the Obama Administration going to side with school reformers, or will it &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703483604574630423614312770.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reward state and local teachers union affiliates&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that defend the status quo? This is a question states are asking as they prepare their applications for $4.35 billion in Race to the Top competitive grants.

...Unions are mainly opposed to teacher accountability reforms.  ...Collective-bargaining agreements that protect bad teachers also harm children. Unions, which put the interests of their members above those of students, aren&#039;t bothered by this&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on school problems:  </p>
<blockquote><p>Is the Obama Administration going to side with school reformers, or will it <b><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703483604574630423614312770.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop" rel="nofollow">reward state and local teachers union affiliates</a></b> that defend the status quo? This is a question states are asking as they prepare their applications for $4.35 billion in Race to the Top competitive grants.</p>
<p>&#8230;Unions are mainly opposed to teacher accountability reforms.  &#8230;Collective-bargaining agreements that protect bad teachers also harm children. Unions, which put the interests of their members above those of students, aren&#8217;t bothered by this</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2010/admin/knbcs-the-filter-the-beverly-hills-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-179006</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlanta suffered white flight at one time, but people are moving back in and taking over what used to be slums and are rehabilitating the houses.  So, in those areas, the schools are good.  The parents have a lot to do with that.

On the other hand, schools that serve primarily blacks have great facilities but don&#039;t have great results and they suffer from crime, too.  My daughter lives in a neighborhood that borders on downtown and she substitutes at various schools, but I don&#039;t want her going back to a top-flight city high school after some shootings there.

I understand about suburbs mooching off the central city.  I&#039;ve been there and didn&#039;t like it, but that&#039;s their right.  In our area, we&#039;re now seeing all the unincorporated areas going one step further by becoming pretty large towns in their own right, just to get out from under the sorry county commission and running their schools and goverment with more bang for the buck.  BTW, they are contracting with private services versus doing a lot of the work themselves.

I&#039;m in Tuscaloosa right now, and to give you an idea of what&#039;s going on here, they have already announced school closings because of snow that&#039;s predicted for Thursday.  As a result of the weather, the football game apparently has been moved to L.A., thus I will be tailgating alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlanta suffered white flight at one time, but people are moving back in and taking over what used to be slums and are rehabilitating the houses.  So, in those areas, the schools are good.  The parents have a lot to do with that.</p>
<p>On the other hand, schools that serve primarily blacks have great facilities but don&#8217;t have great results and they suffer from crime, too.  My daughter lives in a neighborhood that borders on downtown and she substitutes at various schools, but I don&#8217;t want her going back to a top-flight city high school after some shootings there.</p>
<p>I understand about suburbs mooching off the central city.  I&#8217;ve been there and didn&#8217;t like it, but that&#8217;s their right.  In our area, we&#8217;re now seeing all the unincorporated areas going one step further by becoming pretty large towns in their own right, just to get out from under the sorry county commission and running their schools and goverment with more bang for the buck.  BTW, they are contracting with private services versus doing a lot of the work themselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Tuscaloosa right now, and to give you an idea of what&#8217;s going on here, they have already announced school closings because of snow that&#8217;s predicted for Thursday.  As a result of the weather, the football game apparently has been moved to L.A., thus I will be tailgating alone.</p>
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		<title>By: serious book lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>serious book lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah woody, we do seem to get too little for our money, and our legislature sure should have balanced the books and put aside for a rainy day, any number of things.  But on a local level, as far as LA schools vs. Beverly Hills, the fact is we have a lot more poor people to support:  even Beverly Hills&#039; 
&#039;poor&#039; are working middle class.  As Steve Lopez or Tim Rutten put it in an article a while back, we have a lot more &quot;who need&quot; vs. those who have lots to give, than a small boutique town like Beverly Hills.  And so this situation.  

By comparison, I don&#039;t know if there are still really wealthy areas of Atlanta proper, say, or maybe there, everyone&#039;s already in Buckhead or Cobb County -- leaving the &quot;urban core&quot; to rot.  Certainly there&#039;s much more of a sense there and many other cities, that one drives into the city to a museum or to work, but then goes &quot;home.&quot;  This is pretty much the mentality of parts of &#039;the valley&#039; and many do want to secede for that reason, but they ARE still a part of the city of L A.

LA is a much more integrated and vital city in that regard, where he have suburban areas IN the city and that is much of what makes them so appealing, and why people stay, to have the &quot;excitement and diversity&quot; without having to drive miles from some bedroom community:  but still, we&#039;re definitely feeling the economic tension, frankly, vs. the small cities surrounding us, including Santa Monica or West Hollywood even.

In return, though, I don&#039;t think Beverly Hills and these other little towns are weighing into consideration enough what THEY get from us:  our world-class museums, policies which create affordable housing and offer social services and mass transit to their maids and gardeners and nannies, proximity to Hollywood and jobs, and a great deal more.  The condescending attitude from resident parents, as though &quot;permit people&quot; were beggars all of a sudden, is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah woody, we do seem to get too little for our money, and our legislature sure should have balanced the books and put aside for a rainy day, any number of things.  But on a local level, as far as LA schools vs. Beverly Hills, the fact is we have a lot more poor people to support:  even Beverly Hills&#8217;<br />
&#8216;poor&#8217; are working middle class.  As Steve Lopez or Tim Rutten put it in an article a while back, we have a lot more &#8220;who need&#8221; vs. those who have lots to give, than a small boutique town like Beverly Hills.  And so this situation.  </p>
<p>By comparison, I don&#8217;t know if there are still really wealthy areas of Atlanta proper, say, or maybe there, everyone&#8217;s already in Buckhead or Cobb County &#8212; leaving the &#8220;urban core&#8221; to rot.  Certainly there&#8217;s much more of a sense there and many other cities, that one drives into the city to a museum or to work, but then goes &#8220;home.&#8221;  This is pretty much the mentality of parts of &#8216;the valley&#8217; and many do want to secede for that reason, but they ARE still a part of the city of L A.</p>
<p>LA is a much more integrated and vital city in that regard, where he have suburban areas IN the city and that is much of what makes them so appealing, and why people stay, to have the &#8220;excitement and diversity&#8221; without having to drive miles from some bedroom community:  but still, we&#8217;re definitely feeling the economic tension, frankly, vs. the small cities surrounding us, including Santa Monica or West Hollywood even.</p>
<p>In return, though, I don&#8217;t think Beverly Hills and these other little towns are weighing into consideration enough what THEY get from us:  our world-class museums, policies which create affordable housing and offer social services and mass transit to their maids and gardeners and nannies, proximity to Hollywood and jobs, and a great deal more.  The condescending attitude from resident parents, as though &#8220;permit people&#8221; were beggars all of a sudden, is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere I added that some communities waste their money - like paying too much to union teachers - and incompetency and politics.  So, they may spend more money on schools, but they waste it.  Generally, &lt;b&gt;everything else being equal&lt;/b&gt;, the more money that a school has the better it can be.

California is a donor state?  Well, the donor state wants $8 billion fron the recipient states.

You get so little for your money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere I added that some communities waste their money &#8211; like paying too much to union teachers &#8211; and incompetency and politics.  So, they may spend more money on schools, but they waste it.  Generally, <b>everything else being equal</b>, the more money that a school has the better it can be.</p>
<p>California is a donor state?  Well, the donor state wants $8 billion fron the recipient states.</p>
<p>You get so little for your money.</p>
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		<title>By: serious book lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>serious book lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever.  Your going on about how people who pay more in taxes have better schools than their neighbors and v.v. is exactly counter to what&#039;s happening in this case, but don&#039;t let facts confuse you -- like Poplock, you&#039;ve got your dogmas and will stick to them. 

As far as your other frequent rant, that you&#039;re subsidizing CA, we&#039;re a donor state, paying a lot more to DC than we get back, which is one of our problems -- so your endless griping about how you think you&#039;re subsidizing CA is way off base.  

However, it is true that a majority of residents may think we&#039;re better off declaring bankruptcy and voiding all union contracts and starting from scratch -- something we&#039;re hearing more and more at the local level in L A, too, where we&#039;re in an almost similar situation, or may be by next year.  (With the state raiding our local gas taxes as it cuts educational funding, etc.)  Throwing up our hands and inviting bankruptcy doesn&#039;t sound sensible to me, but it reflects the helplessness and exasperation people feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever.  Your going on about how people who pay more in taxes have better schools than their neighbors and v.v. is exactly counter to what&#8217;s happening in this case, but don&#8217;t let facts confuse you &#8212; like Poplock, you&#8217;ve got your dogmas and will stick to them. </p>
<p>As far as your other frequent rant, that you&#8217;re subsidizing CA, we&#8217;re a donor state, paying a lot more to DC than we get back, which is one of our problems &#8212; so your endless griping about how you think you&#8217;re subsidizing CA is way off base.  </p>
<p>However, it is true that a majority of residents may think we&#8217;re better off declaring bankruptcy and voiding all union contracts and starting from scratch &#8212; something we&#8217;re hearing more and more at the local level in L A, too, where we&#8217;re in an almost similar situation, or may be by next year.  (With the state raiding our local gas taxes as it cuts educational funding, etc.)  Throwing up our hands and inviting bankruptcy doesn&#8217;t sound sensible to me, but it reflects the helplessness and exasperation people feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just thinking...if the state goes bankrupt, all of its union contracts are voided.  Talk about getting rid of an albatross around your neck....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking&#8230;if the state goes bankrupt, all of its union contracts are voided.  Talk about getting rid of an albatross around your neck&#8230;.</p>
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