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	<title>Comments on: Mother on Fire:  Sandra&#8217;s Excellent Education Adventure</title>
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		<title>By: Rebel Girl</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2008/admin/mother-on-fire-sandras-excellent-education-adventure/comment-page-1/#comment-16159</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebel Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadline LA is great.

My sweetie does the KPFK book show - Mondays at noon.

then there&#039;s the irreverent Pocho Hour of Power on Fridays...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadline LA is great.</p>
<p>My sweetie does the KPFK book show &#8211; Mondays at noon.</p>
<p>then there&#8217;s the irreverent Pocho Hour of Power on Fridays&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2008/admin/mother-on-fire-sandras-excellent-education-adventure/comment-page-1/#comment-16129</link>
		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 04:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue with STAR for me was, that it&#039;s fine if you choose to pay for it to give your kindergarten kid the other half of the day to play, or for music or tennis lessons, etc., that&#039;s no longer part of school -- but in areas like Coldwater Canyon we&#039;re assigned to public schools in the flats that are so poor no one goes; if you want to get into another elem. school, which is actually in a less affluent but &quot;local&quot; area so it&#039;s pretty good (like Westwood Charter, Fairburn, etc. -- the best schools are too full for STAR) you HAVE to pay for the STAR program just to attend the public school.  These schools are very mixed socio-economically/ culturally, which was a really interesting experience, from the mailman&#039;s kids to tenured UCLA professors&#039; kids, and some great teachers and programs.  I just didn&#039;t feel we should HAVE to pay the equivalent of a lot of parochial schools just to go to a public school that wasn&#039;t downright awful... So like most people I looked for private options.  (With a kid too young for private kindergarten but feeling another year of preschool was a waste of time, that kindergarten/ STAR experience worked out well for that year -- THAT teacher had him reading at second grade level before he turned 6.)  If need be could have stayed through 5th grade -- but people were very concerned about the Middle School, and most looked at Magnets -- a process that turned Sandra into a knife-wielding zombie, it seems -- and other options.  Anyway, given this mess, when people make the effort to organize good charter schools and they&#039;re prevented from operating, it makes me really mad.

I haven&#039;t heard Deadline L A., will look for it.  There&#039;s a Radio Intifada I catch once in a while to hear that POV, and really, it&#039;s not as bad the name sounds, pretty moderate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue with STAR for me was, that it&#8217;s fine if you choose to pay for it to give your kindergarten kid the other half of the day to play, or for music or tennis lessons, etc., that&#8217;s no longer part of school &#8212; but in areas like Coldwater Canyon we&#8217;re assigned to public schools in the flats that are so poor no one goes; if you want to get into another elem. school, which is actually in a less affluent but &#8220;local&#8221; area so it&#8217;s pretty good (like Westwood Charter, Fairburn, etc. &#8212; the best schools are too full for STAR) you HAVE to pay for the STAR program just to attend the public school.  These schools are very mixed socio-economically/ culturally, which was a really interesting experience, from the mailman&#8217;s kids to tenured UCLA professors&#8217; kids, and some great teachers and programs.  I just didn&#8217;t feel we should HAVE to pay the equivalent of a lot of parochial schools just to go to a public school that wasn&#8217;t downright awful&#8230; So like most people I looked for private options.  (With a kid too young for private kindergarten but feeling another year of preschool was a waste of time, that kindergarten/ STAR experience worked out well for that year &#8212; THAT teacher had him reading at second grade level before he turned 6.)  If need be could have stayed through 5th grade &#8212; but people were very concerned about the Middle School, and most looked at Magnets &#8212; a process that turned Sandra into a knife-wielding zombie, it seems &#8212; and other options.  Anyway, given this mess, when people make the effort to organize good charter schools and they&#8217;re prevented from operating, it makes me really mad.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard Deadline L A., will look for it.  There&#8217;s a Radio Intifada I catch once in a while to hear that POV, and really, it&#8217;s not as bad the name sounds, pretty moderate.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2008/admin/mother-on-fire-sandras-excellent-education-adventure/comment-page-1/#comment-16128</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WBC: &lt;i&gt;...but donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t worry, Woody, we Angelenos don different personas at different times and IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sure sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll turn up looking perfectly Ã¢â‚¬Å“normal.Ã¢â‚¬Â&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m waiting to see a picture of Celeste in her Topanga Days costume--fairy wings and all.

WBC:  &lt;i&gt;KPCC is NOT the KalPropCommieChannel, though: that honor goes to KPFK, check it out. Pacifica Radio.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not on top of public radio in L.A.  I figured that they were all commie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBC: <i>&#8230;but donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t worry, Woody, we Angelenos don different personas at different times and IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sure sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll turn up looking perfectly Ã¢â‚¬Å“normal.Ã¢â‚¬Â</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting to see a picture of Celeste in her Topanga Days costume&#8211;fairy wings and all.</p>
<p>WBC:  <i>KPCC is NOT the KalPropCommieChannel, though: that honor goes to KPFK, check it out. Pacifica Radio.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not on top of public radio in L.A.  I figured that they were all commie.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2008/admin/mother-on-fire-sandras-excellent-education-adventure/comment-page-1/#comment-16122</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, WBC, especially about LA getting stiffed on funds et al.

(And, yes, I remember the cost of the STAR program for my own kid.  It was freaking high.)

Love KPCC. 

KPFK , on the other hand, has....&lt;em&gt;issues&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;. (I heard they were even dissing me on air on some show or other because I supported the police union on the financial disclosure issue.  The horror!)

KPFK does host Deadline LA (on which I&#039;m often a guest, and will be again this Saturday), which is really, really good.  It somehow slipped in under the radar.

That photo of Sandra is from one of her one woman shows.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, WBC, especially about LA getting stiffed on funds et al.</p>
<p>(And, yes, I remember the cost of the STAR program for my own kid.  It was freaking high.)</p>
<p>Love KPCC. </p>
<p>KPFK , on the other hand, has&#8230;.<em>issues</em><em>. (I heard they were even dissing me on air on some show or other because I supported the police union on the financial disclosure issue.  The horror!)</p>
<p>KPFK does host Deadline LA (on which I&#8217;m often a guest, and will be again this Saturday), which is really, really good.  It somehow slipped in under the radar.</p>
<p>That photo of Sandra is from one of her one woman shows.</em></p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste, that is a pretty Elvira photo of Sandra.  Not your usual soccer mom image you want lobbying in Sacto -- but don&#039;t worry, Woody, we Angelenos don different personas at different times and I&#039;m sure she&#039;ll turn up looking perfectly &quot;normal.&quot;

KPCC is NOT the KalPropCommieChannel, though:  that honor goes to KPFK, check it out.  Pacifica Radio.

Celeste, one thing I do agree with (besides the waste at LAUSD) is that L A isn&#039;t getting our share of state funds for education -- or for transportation, for that matter, whether it&#039;s the fact that State stole $1.2 billion of our &quot;surplus&quot; gas taxes last year and Arnold announced he&#039;s taking another $800 mil this year (that&#039;s a cool $2 bil, the entire state deficit of Arizona), which we levied on our silly selves because we were assured it would go to fix OUR roads and for other Transportation issues.  Then there are highway funds that go disproportionately to places like Stockton, while Janice Hahn keeps pointing out that it&#039;s out ports that handle the bulk of cargo, and our state&#039;s roads are worn down by those gazillion trucks and thousands of people are injured or die from the toxic smog they produce.  While the feds won&#039;t let us regulate our state truck emissions...

Part of the problem, besides overall incompetence from the clowns we have in Sacto, is that the City relies on two paid lobbyists to look out for us in Sacto, saving money by closing a paid city staff.  This came to light again last Friday in Council when Wendy Greuel told her colleagues with shock and dismay that there&#039;s a bill AB212 (Felipe Fuentes) which eviscerates the Council and City&#039;s power to stop any and all highly dense, ALL-&quot;affordable housing&quot; projects going into any community, anywhere, overriding community and city General Plans.  (RonKayeLA.com has the background of the story, how this was not only known but co-planned by Fuentes&#039; mentors Councilmembers Alarcon and Cardenas, with full support of Reyes of course -- but since some CM&#039;s still represent their constituents, they weren&#039;t advised...)  This is a hot-button issue which Kaye, Zev Y and community leaders are using to galvanize homeowners&#039; groups.

Greig Smith fumed about our lack of State representation in general, and we seem to be losing billions annually as a result.  The same is true with LAUSD not getting its share of state school funding, even though the district faces unusual burdens.  Plus there was some horrendous failure to fill out some paperwork properly that cost us millions...  Celeste, you probably know more about that stuff.

RG, my gripe isn&#039;t with individual teachers like yourself, who often do a great job on an individual basis, despite the bad apples.  One of my own kids went to a public kindergarten (had to apply for a STAR permit and pay some $4000 for the half-day program, that&#039;s another story unique to this mess called LAUSD), and the old-school teacher blew my socks off, the way she taught the non-English speakers to read by Christmas.  (Not Hispanic, two Japanese and a French kid, but of modest means, who couldn&#039;t afford international private schools.  I myself learned English in kindergarten.)

BUT she did it by defying the &quot;required&quot; school programs like Open Court, with old-fashioned drills, phonics, etc.  The other two classes didn&#039;t achieve anywhere near her results.  Normally she&#039;d have gotten in trouble for being this exceptional, but with her seniority and record, she told the Principal to not open her door if she didn&#039;t want to see anything irregular, because it was her way or the highway.  

-- My gripe is with the UTLA which requires an iron grip on the educational system, including over teachers like this, and worst of all, fights charters which can do a lot more with less money and it&#039;s the LAW and parents&#039; will.  The exceptional charter in Chatsworth that just had to close because LAUSD wouldn&#039;t give them space, is a real crime.

Okay, that&#039;s my spiel on LAUSD and budgetary incompetence.  Just don&#039;t blame it all on Prop 13, though I know it&#039;s fashionable to do so.  E.g., OpEd today in LAT, Bill Stall, wanting to revise the bill.  He admits to being on Jerry Brown&#039;s staff back 30 years ago when they and a &quot;blue chip coalition&quot; of government and business &quot;leaders&quot; were sure it wouldn&#039;t pass -- but it flew by with 65%.  But he misses the irony that if he thinks the public is ready to revoke it now, he&#039;s just as out of touch.  (These guys are now pushing to allow a mere majority to raise prop taxes -- which would be taxation without representation in our city, where they&#039;re now in the minority.  Maybe they&#039;ll fuel a counter- movement harking back to the founding fathers, that only prop owners can levy prop taxes.)  The populist blogs, even on the MSM, are all vehemently opposed to the pious opinings of the Stalls and Tim Ruttens, but they&#039;ve been going against public opinion for 30 years, so why stop now.  Meanwhile, we COULD be billions richer if people focused on our getting more of our fair share from State and the feds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste, that is a pretty Elvira photo of Sandra.  Not your usual soccer mom image you want lobbying in Sacto &#8212; but don&#8217;t worry, Woody, we Angelenos don different personas at different times and I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;ll turn up looking perfectly &#8220;normal.&#8221;</p>
<p>KPCC is NOT the KalPropCommieChannel, though:  that honor goes to KPFK, check it out.  Pacifica Radio.</p>
<p>Celeste, one thing I do agree with (besides the waste at LAUSD) is that L A isn&#8217;t getting our share of state funds for education &#8212; or for transportation, for that matter, whether it&#8217;s the fact that State stole $1.2 billion of our &#8220;surplus&#8221; gas taxes last year and Arnold announced he&#8217;s taking another $800 mil this year (that&#8217;s a cool $2 bil, the entire state deficit of Arizona), which we levied on our silly selves because we were assured it would go to fix OUR roads and for other Transportation issues.  Then there are highway funds that go disproportionately to places like Stockton, while Janice Hahn keeps pointing out that it&#8217;s out ports that handle the bulk of cargo, and our state&#8217;s roads are worn down by those gazillion trucks and thousands of people are injured or die from the toxic smog they produce.  While the feds won&#8217;t let us regulate our state truck emissions&#8230;</p>
<p>Part of the problem, besides overall incompetence from the clowns we have in Sacto, is that the City relies on two paid lobbyists to look out for us in Sacto, saving money by closing a paid city staff.  This came to light again last Friday in Council when Wendy Greuel told her colleagues with shock and dismay that there&#8217;s a bill AB212 (Felipe Fuentes) which eviscerates the Council and City&#8217;s power to stop any and all highly dense, ALL-&#8221;affordable housing&#8221; projects going into any community, anywhere, overriding community and city General Plans.  (RonKayeLA.com has the background of the story, how this was not only known but co-planned by Fuentes&#8217; mentors Councilmembers Alarcon and Cardenas, with full support of Reyes of course &#8212; but since some CM&#8217;s still represent their constituents, they weren&#8217;t advised&#8230;)  This is a hot-button issue which Kaye, Zev Y and community leaders are using to galvanize homeowners&#8217; groups.</p>
<p>Greig Smith fumed about our lack of State representation in general, and we seem to be losing billions annually as a result.  The same is true with LAUSD not getting its share of state school funding, even though the district faces unusual burdens.  Plus there was some horrendous failure to fill out some paperwork properly that cost us millions&#8230;  Celeste, you probably know more about that stuff.</p>
<p>RG, my gripe isn&#8217;t with individual teachers like yourself, who often do a great job on an individual basis, despite the bad apples.  One of my own kids went to a public kindergarten (had to apply for a STAR permit and pay some $4000 for the half-day program, that&#8217;s another story unique to this mess called LAUSD), and the old-school teacher blew my socks off, the way she taught the non-English speakers to read by Christmas.  (Not Hispanic, two Japanese and a French kid, but of modest means, who couldn&#8217;t afford international private schools.  I myself learned English in kindergarten.)</p>
<p>BUT she did it by defying the &#8220;required&#8221; school programs like Open Court, with old-fashioned drills, phonics, etc.  The other two classes didn&#8217;t achieve anywhere near her results.  Normally she&#8217;d have gotten in trouble for being this exceptional, but with her seniority and record, she told the Principal to not open her door if she didn&#8217;t want to see anything irregular, because it was her way or the highway.  </p>
<p>&#8211; My gripe is with the UTLA which requires an iron grip on the educational system, including over teachers like this, and worst of all, fights charters which can do a lot more with less money and it&#8217;s the LAW and parents&#8217; will.  The exceptional charter in Chatsworth that just had to close because LAUSD wouldn&#8217;t give them space, is a real crime.</p>
<p>Okay, that&#8217;s my spiel on LAUSD and budgetary incompetence.  Just don&#8217;t blame it all on Prop 13, though I know it&#8217;s fashionable to do so.  E.g., OpEd today in LAT, Bill Stall, wanting to revise the bill.  He admits to being on Jerry Brown&#8217;s staff back 30 years ago when they and a &#8220;blue chip coalition&#8221; of government and business &#8220;leaders&#8221; were sure it wouldn&#8217;t pass &#8212; but it flew by with 65%.  But he misses the irony that if he thinks the public is ready to revoke it now, he&#8217;s just as out of touch.  (These guys are now pushing to allow a mere majority to raise prop taxes &#8212; which would be taxation without representation in our city, where they&#8217;re now in the minority.  Maybe they&#8217;ll fuel a counter- movement harking back to the founding fathers, that only prop owners can levy prop taxes.)  The populist blogs, even on the MSM, are all vehemently opposed to the pious opinings of the Stalls and Tim Ruttens, but they&#8217;ve been going against public opinion for 30 years, so why stop now.  Meanwhile, we COULD be billions richer if people focused on our getting more of our fair share from State and the feds.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. If you don&#039;t like government schools, try homeschooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. If you don&#8217;t like government schools, try homeschooling.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to look it up.  That picture really is &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sandratsingloh.com/index.php?pr=Mother_on_Fire&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Celeste&#039;s crazy friend&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. What&#039;s worse...&lt;i&gt;She has been a regular commentator on NPRÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s &quot;Morning Edition&quot;....&lt;/i&gt;  (I didn&#039;t recognize KPCC as the Kalifornia Propaganda Communist Channel.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to look it up.  That picture really is <b><a href="http://www.sandratsingloh.com/index.php?pr=Mother_on_Fire" rel="nofollow">Celeste&#8217;s crazy friend</a></b>. What&#8217;s worse&#8230;<i>She has been a regular commentator on NPRÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s &#8220;Morning Edition&#8221;&#8230;.</i>  (I didn&#8217;t recognize KPCC as the Kalifornia Propaganda Communist Channel.)</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WBC, actually, I don&#039;t think we disagree on most of the problems at all.

As Rebel Girl said, we&#039;re all paddling (and bailing).

And, it is hard to be sympathetic with LAUSD when they spend $230 million in bond money on a ski jump....er....new arts school.

http://witnessla.com/los-angeles-writers/2008/admin/lausds-pricey-arts-palace/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBC, actually, I don&#8217;t think we disagree on most of the problems at all.</p>
<p>As Rebel Girl said, we&#8217;re all paddling (and bailing).</p>
<p>And, it is hard to be sympathetic with LAUSD when they spend $230 million in bond money on a ski jump&#8230;.er&#8230;.new arts school.</p>
<p><a href="http://witnessla.com/los-angeles-writers/2008/admin/lausds-pricey-arts-palace/" rel="nofollow">http://witnessla.com/los-angeles-writers/2008/admin/lausds-pricey-arts-palace/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rebel Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebel Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WBC - this teacher is too busy trying to file grades to meet your demands for stats - but my point is a simple one - our schools are under-funded throughout the state (city, suburbs and rural areas, each with their own range of diversities) and the state is suffering the consequences.  I say that as someone who teaches at the community college level and has students both native and non-native speakers of English who cannot write.

We are all, indeed, in the same leaky boat.

Back to paddling (and bailing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBC &#8211; this teacher is too busy trying to file grades to meet your demands for stats &#8211; but my point is a simple one &#8211; our schools are under-funded throughout the state (city, suburbs and rural areas, each with their own range of diversities) and the state is suffering the consequences.  I say that as someone who teaches at the community college level and has students both native and non-native speakers of English who cannot write.</p>
<p>We are all, indeed, in the same leaky boat.</p>
<p>Back to paddling (and bailing).</p>
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		<title>By: WBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RG, OK, I&#039;ll bite:  so just how &quot;diverse&quot; is your local school, by stats?  How many diversity permits from out of area and the breakdown by race/ test scores, that LAUSD must keep?  Vs. how many from the community? I&#039;ve already conceded you&#039;re not &quot;rich.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RG, OK, I&#8217;ll bite:  so just how &#8220;diverse&#8221; is your local school, by stats?  How many diversity permits from out of area and the breakdown by race/ test scores, that LAUSD must keep?  Vs. how many from the community? I&#8217;ve already conceded you&#8217;re not &#8220;rich.&#8221;</p>
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