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		<title>By: foibles</title>
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		<dc:creator>foibles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty bleak situation. My sister has been part of current cut-backs. Sad in light of recent surveys that tout county school services.
http://snurl.com/lacountyschools</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty bleak situation. My sister has been part of current cut-backs. Sad in light of recent surveys that tout county school services.<br />
<a href="http://snurl.com/lacountyschools" rel="nofollow">http://snurl.com/lacountyschools</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shocked</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shocked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a dry cleaners at LAUSD HQ?  Are the services free?  Next thing you know they&#039;ll have a cafeteria!

Why would anyone be shocked by this?  There&#039;s also a branch of a credit union.  It&#039;s reasonable to assume that the service providers pay rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a dry cleaners at LAUSD HQ?  Are the services free?  Next thing you know they&#8217;ll have a cafeteria!</p>
<p>Why would anyone be shocked by this?  There&#8217;s also a branch of a credit union.  It&#8217;s reasonable to assume that the service providers pay rent.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Cheatin Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Cheatin Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe McShame will commission that study when he commissions his study on the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe McShame will commission that study when he commissions his study on the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need another government study on this, which is like asking Democrats to solve the problems that they created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need another government study on this, which is like asking Democrats to solve the problems that they created.</p>
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		<title>By: I Knew It</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Knew It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Alan figures that if nothing else, publishing personal info about any employee loosely defined as &quot;public&quot; at any level, can &quot;at least provide titilating water cooler conversation.&quot;  That&#039;s exactly about the level of what the Daily News is good for.  The National Enquirer approach to &quot;political news and analysis.&quot;  

I know DWP lost this challenge in State Superior Court, but just because the court didn&#039;t find the practice illegal doesn&#039;t make their behavior ethical, appropriate or any more helpful in understanding LAUSD&#039;s &quot;bureaucratic bloat&quot; that it was in understanding DWP&#039;s or the city&#039;s.  (I hope some other organization which can generate more sympathy than the bloated DWP files a challenge.)  

Why DO some middle school teachers make so much, while others make so little despite solid educations?  This just gives fodder to some teachers wanting more money relative to others, hence inflating budgets and putting pressure on UTLA to bargain harder -- the opposite of the paper&#039;s intent in exposing salaries.  WHY have admin. positions increased by 20% while school population and teacher salaries have been cut?  Why does LAUSD want another $7 billion Bond to build smaller, charter-like schools in the fact of declining enrollment, just-completed over-priced behemoth schools (like Belmont and Broad Performing Arts), when as even Board member Galatzan points out, they haven&#039;t been proven to materially improve test scores or quality of education?  (Meanwhile, none of these schools are slated for the underserved westside or hillside communities.)

Being able to fire &quot;bad&quot; teachers should of course be an easier option, but blaming teachers for poor performance when 3/4 of LAUSD are kids of Mexican/Central American Latino immigrants who go to school poorly prepared or motivated to learn, with half dropping out, while middle class kids (of all races) have been driven out of the public schools into private/parochial, or often to other school districts like Palos Verdes, Hermosa, South Pasadena.  That&#039;s a key reason LA has the smallest middle class of any of the top 20 cities -- and LAUSD&#039;s Board which builds for the immigrant demographic while taxing the middle class is contributing to it.  Even if LAUSD isn&#039;t responsible for the city&#039;s demographic, their bias against the middle and upper middle class taxpayers is largely to blame for the teaching burdens placed on teachers.  This &quot;elephant in the room,&quot; as commenters on Daily News (who tend to be blue collar or struggling middle class, but increasingly even upper middle class sick of paying college tuition rates for school that should be &quot;free&quot;) often note, is what no amount of &quot;good teaching&quot; and more money can&#039;t miraculously &quot;fix.&quot;  Tossing equal blame at teachers and administrators with this violation of privacy hasn&#039;t done a thing to &quot;fix&quot; the problem.  But I guess it serves to &quot;titillate&quot; some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Alan figures that if nothing else, publishing personal info about any employee loosely defined as &#8220;public&#8221; at any level, can &#8220;at least provide titilating water cooler conversation.&#8221;  That&#8217;s exactly about the level of what the Daily News is good for.  The National Enquirer approach to &#8220;political news and analysis.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I know DWP lost this challenge in State Superior Court, but just because the court didn&#8217;t find the practice illegal doesn&#8217;t make their behavior ethical, appropriate or any more helpful in understanding LAUSD&#8217;s &#8220;bureaucratic bloat&#8221; that it was in understanding DWP&#8217;s or the city&#8217;s.  (I hope some other organization which can generate more sympathy than the bloated DWP files a challenge.)  </p>
<p>Why DO some middle school teachers make so much, while others make so little despite solid educations?  This just gives fodder to some teachers wanting more money relative to others, hence inflating budgets and putting pressure on UTLA to bargain harder &#8212; the opposite of the paper&#8217;s intent in exposing salaries.  WHY have admin. positions increased by 20% while school population and teacher salaries have been cut?  Why does LAUSD want another $7 billion Bond to build smaller, charter-like schools in the fact of declining enrollment, just-completed over-priced behemoth schools (like Belmont and Broad Performing Arts), when as even Board member Galatzan points out, they haven&#8217;t been proven to materially improve test scores or quality of education?  (Meanwhile, none of these schools are slated for the underserved westside or hillside communities.)</p>
<p>Being able to fire &#8220;bad&#8221; teachers should of course be an easier option, but blaming teachers for poor performance when 3/4 of LAUSD are kids of Mexican/Central American Latino immigrants who go to school poorly prepared or motivated to learn, with half dropping out, while middle class kids (of all races) have been driven out of the public schools into private/parochial, or often to other school districts like Palos Verdes, Hermosa, South Pasadena.  That&#8217;s a key reason LA has the smallest middle class of any of the top 20 cities &#8212; and LAUSD&#8217;s Board which builds for the immigrant demographic while taxing the middle class is contributing to it.  Even if LAUSD isn&#8217;t responsible for the city&#8217;s demographic, their bias against the middle and upper middle class taxpayers is largely to blame for the teaching burdens placed on teachers.  This &#8220;elephant in the room,&#8221; as commenters on Daily News (who tend to be blue collar or struggling middle class, but increasingly even upper middle class sick of paying college tuition rates for school that should be &#8220;free&#8221;) often note, is what no amount of &#8220;good teaching&#8221; and more money can&#8217;t miraculously &#8220;fix.&#8221;  Tossing equal blame at teachers and administrators with this violation of privacy hasn&#8217;t done a thing to &#8220;fix&#8221; the problem.  But I guess it serves to &#8220;titillate&#8221; some people.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celeste Fremon,

Thank you for bringing this to the attention of Los Angeles readers ..... well done!  This is great timing in regarding LAUSD Measure Q on the ballot coming up....  
 
Please make yourself familar with a huge project / new school (SRHS#15 at Angel&#039;s Gate location) planned in San Pedro that LAUSD plans on building....... the controversy here is that the community of San Pedro does not want or see a need for a new LAUSD high school.. but LAUSD says &quot;they are going to build it&quot; anyways because &quot;they have the money&quot;!  $102.4 million high school for 500 magnet students (810 seat school).
 
This is one of the biggest issues to come into San Pedro, but only the Daily Breeze is starting to talking about it.. can you shed light on for many readers:

www.noisesanpedro.org

 
thanks,
 
Robert Schueller
Concerned resident of San Pedro
 
- - - -
 
fyi... a couple site regarding Measure Q that you might be interested in:
Full Disclosure blog:  â€œLAUSD:  FEED THE BEASTâ€:  http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Blogs/59.php
 

NO on Measure Q:  LAUSD $7 Billion Bond http://web.mac.com/waltermoore/VoteNoOnMeasureQ/Home.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celeste Fremon,</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing this to the attention of Los Angeles readers &#8230;.. well done!  This is great timing in regarding LAUSD Measure Q on the ballot coming up&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Please make yourself familar with a huge project / new school (SRHS#15 at Angel&#8217;s Gate location) planned in San Pedro that LAUSD plans on building&#8230;&#8230;. the controversy here is that the community of San Pedro does not want or see a need for a new LAUSD high school.. but LAUSD says &#8220;they are going to build it&#8221; anyways because &#8220;they have the money&#8221;!  $102.4 million high school for 500 magnet students (810 seat school).</p>
<p>This is one of the biggest issues to come into San Pedro, but only the Daily Breeze is starting to talking about it.. can you shed light on for many readers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.noisesanpedro.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.noisesanpedro.org</a></p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>Robert Schueller<br />
Concerned resident of San Pedro</p>
<p>- &#8211; - -</p>
<p>fyi&#8230; a couple site regarding Measure Q that you might be interested in:<br />
Full Disclosure blog:  â€œLAUSD:  FEED THE BEASTâ€:  <a href="http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Blogs/59.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Blogs/59.php</a></p>
<p>NO on Measure Q:  LAUSD $7 Billion Bond <a href="http://web.mac.com/waltermoore/VoteNoOnMeasureQ/Home.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mac.com/waltermoore/VoteNoOnMeasureQ/Home.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the teachers&#039; view, Ms. Feff.  Much needed.

Alan, nah, I agree with you and the state Supreme Court.  I just don&#039;t agree with the Daily News.  

In truth, I haven&#039;t looked up any names at all.  (Had no reason to do it.) But certainly fooled around with salary ranges for a while last night.  And I was surprised to find several middle school teachers that make above $150K.  Yet, 2 a.m. seemed a little late to call A.J. Duffy to ask about how they managed that.

About your last point re: firing the bad ones: Yep.  Definitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the teachers&#8217; view, Ms. Feff.  Much needed.</p>
<p>Alan, nah, I agree with you and the state Supreme Court.  I just don&#8217;t agree with the Daily News.  </p>
<p>In truth, I haven&#8217;t looked up any names at all.  (Had no reason to do it.) But certainly fooled around with salary ranges for a while last night.  And I was surprised to find several middle school teachers that make above $150K.  Yet, 2 a.m. seemed a little late to call A.J. Duffy to ask about how they managed that.</p>
<p>About your last point re: firing the bad ones: Yep.  Definitely.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Mittelstaedt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Mittelstaedt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, even though you disagree with the state Supreme Court and me on the right of the public to know how much public money goes to public employees, it&#039;s nice to see that you provided the link to the public salary database so that your readers have easy access to this public information. Perhaps it will make our democracy stronger or at least provide titillating water cooler conversation. Just curious, how many names have you looked up?UTLA&#039;s upset because the wide disparity in pay exposes the union&#039;s failure to adequately represent all of its members. By the way, there would be more money for good teachers if the union made it easier to fire the bad ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, even though you disagree with the state Supreme Court and me on the right of the public to know how much public money goes to public employees, it&#8217;s nice to see that you provided the link to the public salary database so that your readers have easy access to this public information. Perhaps it will make our democracy stronger or at least provide titillating water cooler conversation. Just curious, how many names have you looked up?UTLA&#8217;s upset because the wide disparity in pay exposes the union&#8217;s failure to adequately represent all of its members. By the way, there would be more money for good teachers if the union made it easier to fire the bad ones.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.feff</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms.feff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of the teachers listed in this database. I do not mind my salary being made available. Let the public see how underpaid I am! I work in one of the most struggling schools in LAUSD. I am dedicated to making change for my students. I am an LAUSD graduate and attended the UCs and an Ivy League school for my teaching credentials. 

This system depends on the passion of teachers like me. If only my databased salary would show the amount of money I spend each year on classroom supplies, student fundraisers, and snacks for hungry students. The system depends on me spending my money on these &quot;extras.&quot; What would happen if we teachers just cut off our contributions entirely? Our students would suffer, so most teachers are reluctant to even consider the possibility.

I hope that the folks who read this blog will support us teachers as we fight for our state given but LAUSD denied COLA from last year, health care benefits, minimal raises and classroom number caps. Those of us who have made the decision to become teachers are willing to sacrifice, but I am not willing to become a martyr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the teachers listed in this database. I do not mind my salary being made available. Let the public see how underpaid I am! I work in one of the most struggling schools in LAUSD. I am dedicated to making change for my students. I am an LAUSD graduate and attended the UCs and an Ivy League school for my teaching credentials. </p>
<p>This system depends on the passion of teachers like me. If only my databased salary would show the amount of money I spend each year on classroom supplies, student fundraisers, and snacks for hungry students. The system depends on me spending my money on these &#8220;extras.&#8221; What would happen if we teachers just cut off our contributions entirely? Our students would suffer, so most teachers are reluctant to even consider the possibility.</p>
<p>I hope that the folks who read this blog will support us teachers as we fight for our state given but LAUSD denied COLA from last year, health care benefits, minimal raises and classroom number caps. Those of us who have made the decision to become teachers are willing to sacrifice, but I am not willing to become a martyr.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, IKI,

As you might have noticed, I agree with you on this one. Also, agreed that there is no analysis.  It&#039;s all just posted willy-nilly in a sort of undifferentiated gotcha tone.  

And, yeah, Beth Barrett is a hatchet queen.  Skillful reporter, but hatchet queen in how she goes about using her skill.

PS:  I just added your point about the analysis, which was a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, IKI,</p>
<p>As you might have noticed, I agree with you on this one. Also, agreed that there is no analysis.  It&#8217;s all just posted willy-nilly in a sort of undifferentiated gotcha tone.  </p>
<p>And, yeah, Beth Barrett is a hatchet queen.  Skillful reporter, but hatchet queen in how she goes about using her skill.</p>
<p>PS:  I just added your point about the analysis, which was a good one.</p>
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