Comments on: The Legal Virtue of…….BONG HITS 4 JESUS http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/ street news, views and stories of justice and injustice Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:38:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Woody http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-103 Woody Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:32:03 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-103 rlc, okay, you're not interested in justice for justice's sake. Your interested in investigations to destroy your political enemies. Nice of you to admit it. rlc, okay, you’re not interested in justice for justice’s sake. Your interested in investigations to destroy your political enemies. Nice of you to admit it.

]]> By: richard locicero http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-100 richard locicero Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:39:22 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-100 He's also a dishonest hack who violated the rules of the US Attorney's office by admitting to leaking Grand Jury Testimony to the media. Compare and contrast with Fitzgerald who makes the sphynx sound like a chatterbox. Oh, and he didn't mention to anyone that hje had advised Paula Jones on her suit. That's why I'm enjoying Attorneygate so much. It'll bring down this administration for believing that the only qualification for a prosecutor was his or her loyalty as a "Bushie" and Starr was the template. He’s also a dishonest hack who violated the rules of the US Attorney’s office by admitting to leaking Grand Jury Testimony to the media. Compare and contrast with Fitzgerald who makes the sphynx sound like a chatterbox.

Oh, and he didn’t mention to anyone that hje had advised Paula Jones on her suit.

That’s why I’m enjoying Attorneygate so much. It’ll bring down this administration for believing that the only qualification for a prosecutor was his or her loyalty as a “Bushie” and Starr was the template.

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-91 Woody Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:13:01 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-91 rlc, so what if Ken Starr represents the schools? He's competent and able. Now, if you said that the ACLU represents the boy and that no further comment is needed, then that would make more sense. rlc, so what if Ken Starr represents the schools? He’s competent and able. Now, if you said that the ACLU represents the boy and that no further comment is needed, then that would make more sense.

]]> By: Teacherman http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Teacherman Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:05:33 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-84 At PUBLIC/GOVERNMENT schools (k-12 to college) no speech should be limited including HATE speech even if this seems to lead to the death of a student. I can't disagree more - students do not have a right to disrupt the educational mission of the school - i.e. cause riots, harm to others, etc. Much like adults do not have the right to infringe on the rights of others. While it may not be perfect, teachers and administrators have an obligation to model ethical and moral behavior especially when we act "in loco parentis" - in place of the parent when students are on our campuses and in our classrooms. Student speech may be restricted on campus but the minute they leave the gates they are free to engage in speech that may otherwise be restricted on campus. This may not be what you agree with but it law. As for Bong Hit Boy - he was not on school property, he was not at school that day and the relay was not an official school sponsored event since students technically were off campus and no permission slips were signed by parents allowing students to be off campus during instructional time. School will lose. At PUBLIC/GOVERNMENT schools (k-12 to college) no speech should be limited including HATE speech even if this seems to lead to the death of a student.

I can’t disagree more – students do not have a right to disrupt the educational mission of the school – i.e. cause riots, harm to others, etc. Much like adults do not have the right to infringe on the rights of others. While it may not be perfect, teachers and administrators have an obligation to model ethical and moral behavior especially when we act “in loco parentis” – in place of the parent when students are on our campuses and in our classrooms.

Student speech may be restricted on campus but the minute they leave the gates they are free to engage in speech that may otherwise be restricted on campus. This may not be what you agree with but it law.

As for Bong Hit Boy – he was not on school property, he was not at school that day and the relay was not an official school sponsored event since students technically were off campus and no permission slips were signed by parents allowing students to be off campus during instructional time. School will lose.

]]> By: Mavis Beacon http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Mavis Beacon Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:35:40 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-82 Great stuff as usual. Dahlia Lithwick took a good look at the Supreme Court arguments surrounding this case (though she gives poor Joe short shrift). There are a lot of tough issues around this case. I would argue that student's ought to have a lot more free speech directly outside the classroom, even on school grounds, than they do during instruction. For example, while I would expect a teacher to require a student to remove an "Abortion Is Murder" armband during class, I think that student ought to freely wear that between periods on campus. The fact that this event takes place off campus gives the student even more leeway. Here's the article: http://www.slate.com/id/2162161/pagenum/2/ Great stuff as usual. Dahlia Lithwick took a good look at the Supreme Court arguments surrounding this case (though she gives poor Joe short shrift). There are a lot of tough issues around this case. I would argue that student’s ought to have a lot more free speech directly outside the classroom, even on school grounds, than they do during instruction. For example, while I would expect a teacher to require a student to remove an “Abortion Is Murder” armband during class, I think that student ought to freely wear that between periods on campus. The fact that this event takes place off campus gives the student even more leeway. Here’s the article: http://www.slate.com/id/2162161/pagenum/2/

]]> By: richard locicero http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-81 richard locicero Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:08:06 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-81 Guess who is representing the school board? Kenneth Starr. No further comment needed. Guess who is representing the school board?

Kenneth Starr.

No further comment needed.

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Woody Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:36:15 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-78 Pokey, the values that I would leave out are those of "situational ethics, "political correctness," and "undermining parents." Pokey, the values that I would leave out are those of “situational ethics, “political correctness,” and “undermining parents.”

]]> By: Pokey http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Pokey Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:15:06 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-77 <i>have shortcomings in morals and ethics and are totally unqualified to teach those values.</i> You might be right about that Woody. have shortcomings in morals and ethics and are totally unqualified to teach those values.

You might be right about that Woody.

]]> By: Pokey http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Pokey Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:10:08 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-76 I think eliminating values from the public schools is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Some administrators are afraid to teach about honesty, truthfulness and faithfulness because it would reflect so badly on the parents and teach disrespect instead. Please tell me which one should not be taught. <b>Values to teach in school </b> • Friendliness • Self-discipline • Accountability • Honesty • Self-respect • Integrity • Sportsmanship • Citizenship • Kindness • Temper • Compassion • Manners • Temptation • Courtesy • The Golden Rule • Patience • Tolerance • Confidence • Perseverance • Truthfulness • Dependability • Reliability • Trustworthiness • Determination • Endurance • Responsibility • Self-Control In any case values are often learned with classic literature assignments (is reading still taught in school?). FIRE! – Yes, Yes (Falsely is what I meant). I think eliminating values from the public schools is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Some administrators are afraid to teach about honesty, truthfulness and faithfulness because it would reflect so badly on the parents and teach disrespect instead.

Please tell me which one should not be taught.

Values to teach in school
• Friendliness
• Self-discipline
• Accountability
• Honesty
• Self-respect
• Integrity
• Sportsmanship
• Citizenship
• Kindness
• Temper
• Compassion
• Manners
• Temptation
• Courtesy
• The Golden Rule
• Patience
• Tolerance
• Confidence
• Perseverance
• Truthfulness
• Dependability
• Reliability
• Trustworthiness
• Determination
• Endurance
• Responsibility
• Self-Control

In any case values are often learned with classic literature assignments (is reading still taught in school?).

FIRE! – Yes, Yes (Falsely is what I meant).

]]> By: Woody http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Woody Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:12:03 +0000 http://witnessla.com/root/2007/admin/the-legal-virtue-ofbong-hits-4-jesus/#comment-75 Pokey wrote: <i>Our schools should have the responsibility of teaching morals, values and ethics....</i> Not in my opinion. Parents and churches can do that. School administrators, in my experiences, have shortcomings in morals and ethics and are totally unqualified to teach those values. Pokey wrote: Our schools should have the responsibility of teaching morals, values and ethics….

Not in my opinion. Parents and churches can do that. School administrators, in my experiences, have shortcomings in morals and ethics and are totally unqualified to teach those values.

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