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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/pissed-off-and-ready-to-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government and Legal Studies as an undergrad and Communications (MA and ABD - that&#039;s all but dissertation at the PhD level). Didn&#039;t finish because the prospect of academic jobs in the mid seventies was practicallly nil (as WC Fields might say) so I ended up in advertising. Now I&#039;m retired, thank you.

And, yes, Harvard&#039;s GSBA is a &quot;Trade School&quot; as any number of grads have told me. Lord knows you don&#039;t go there for intellectual stimulation - well maybe you would Woody.

And Bush&#039;s business record is hardly a steller ad for the place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government and Legal Studies as an undergrad and Communications (MA and ABD &#8211; that&#8217;s all but dissertation at the PhD level). Didn&#8217;t finish because the prospect of academic jobs in the mid seventies was practicallly nil (as WC Fields might say) so I ended up in advertising. Now I&#8217;m retired, thank you.</p>
<p>And, yes, Harvard&#8217;s GSBA is a &#8220;Trade School&#8221; as any number of grads have told me. Lord knows you don&#8217;t go there for intellectual stimulation &#8211; well maybe you would Woody.</p>
<p>And Bush&#8217;s business record is hardly a steller ad for the place!</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/pissed-off-and-ready-to-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush graduated from Yale with a major in history and received his MBA (that&#039;s a trade school major to you) from Harvard.  History is a good major for a president and let&#039;s one evaluate current options using past results.  Newt Gingrinch used to be a history professor, and I think that JFK majored in history.  Here&#039;s one for you.
&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grades: Bush vs. Kerry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

What was rlc&#039;s major?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush graduated from Yale with a major in history and received his MBA (that&#8217;s a trade school major to you) from Harvard.  History is a good major for a president and let&#8217;s one evaluate current options using past results.  Newt Gingrinch used to be a history professor, and I think that JFK majored in history.  Here&#8217;s one for you.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm" rel="nofollow">Grades: Bush vs. Kerry</a></b></p>
<p>What was rlc&#8217;s major?</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/pissed-off-and-ready-to-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanna bet?

Guess what the Pres majored in at Yale?

(HINT: it wasn&#039;t accounting)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanna bet?</p>
<p>Guess what the Pres majored in at Yale?</p>
<p>(HINT: it wasn&#8217;t accounting)</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/pissed-off-and-ready-to-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortune 500 companies sure won&#039;t pick senior management from people who majored in psychology, sociology, political science, art, feminist studies, black culture, and gayism--and, oh yes, journalism. If college isn&#039;t teaching you a trade, then it&#039;s sending a lot of people into the world who are qualified for nothing and with no job hopes.  Tell the students that during the commencement address and after they invested four years and $80,000+.  

Of course, I suppose that your continued position to say tha someone who attends an Ivy League style school is better than someone who can&#039;t afford it or doesn&#039;t have the connections, and, thus, confirms your implied position that President Bush is top management material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortune 500 companies sure won&#8217;t pick senior management from people who majored in psychology, sociology, political science, art, feminist studies, black culture, and gayism&#8211;and, oh yes, journalism. If college isn&#8217;t teaching you a trade, then it&#8217;s sending a lot of people into the world who are qualified for nothing and with no job hopes.  Tell the students that during the commencement address and after they invested four years and $80,000+.  </p>
<p>Of course, I suppose that your continued position to say tha someone who attends an Ivy League style school is better than someone who can&#8217;t afford it or doesn&#8217;t have the connections, and, thus, confirms your implied position that President Bush is top management material.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/education/2007/admin/pissed-off-and-ready-to-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masters in Business or in taxation qualify as &quot;Trade School&quot; stuff in my opinion. But call me back when a fortune 500 company picks senior Mgt from Phoenix rather than a Wharton, Harvard or Stanford MBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masters in Business or in taxation qualify as &#8220;Trade School&#8221; stuff in my opinion. But call me back when a fortune 500 company picks senior Mgt from Phoenix rather than a Wharton, Harvard or Stanford MBA.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rlc, of course you miss the point and go off on a ridiculous comparison.  The average person cannot get accepted to or pay to go to Harvard, so you are comparing the well-connected and well-to-do with average Americans.  However, if you would like to compare Phoenix graduates to those of government schools that cost the same, then that would be appropriate.   

Someone who cannot afford expensive schools can get a better value with a for-profit school that specializes in training people for jobs rather than a government school that specializes in protecting teachers and in political correctness.  

I know of major corporations that are sending its managers to get MBAs at such private schools.  My personal experience has been that the students I hired with a Master&#039;s in Taxation from a major university couldn&#039;t even fill out a tax return correctly.  However, students from vocational schools hit the ground running.

The formula used in universities today is so flawed that they don&#039;t need to adjust it--they need to start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rlc, of course you miss the point and go off on a ridiculous comparison.  The average person cannot get accepted to or pay to go to Harvard, so you are comparing the well-connected and well-to-do with average Americans.  However, if you would like to compare Phoenix graduates to those of government schools that cost the same, then that would be appropriate.   </p>
<p>Someone who cannot afford expensive schools can get a better value with a for-profit school that specializes in training people for jobs rather than a government school that specializes in protecting teachers and in political correctness.  </p>
<p>I know of major corporations that are sending its managers to get MBAs at such private schools.  My personal experience has been that the students I hired with a Master&#8217;s in Taxation from a major university couldn&#8217;t even fill out a tax return correctly.  However, students from vocational schools hit the ground running.</p>
<p>The formula used in universities today is so flawed that they don&#8217;t need to adjust it&#8211;they need to start over.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so right Woody. It is a truth universally acknowleged that employers will hire a Univerisy of Phoenix Grad over someone from UC or Harvard where the &quot;lazy&quot; faculty averages one class per term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so right Woody. It is a truth universally acknowleged that employers will hire a Univerisy of Phoenix Grad over someone from UC or Harvard where the &#8220;lazy&#8221; faculty averages one class per term.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw &#039;em.  When they start producing more, then we can think about paying them more.  But, paying truck loads of money won&#039;t pull new and qualified talent as long as they have to put up with the Mickey Mouse rules and administrations.  

One other thing about PhD&#039;s, schools get them because of accreditation purposes.  Most (I think) PhD&#039;s being hired come from universities in India and other places.  Their language skills are horrible, and students can&#039;t understand half of what they say.  Also, people trained outside of the U.S. often have no understanding of our tax laws, business practices, etc. to adequately prepare students.  Yet, they have the diploma for the college&#039;s accreditation, which only shows a level of training from who knows where--not that they learned anything or can teach.

Could buinessmen with practical experience do a good job and maybe a better job?  Absolutely.  But, the schools won&#039;t hire them and the businessmen wouldn&#039;t put up with the nonsense.  It&#039;s little wonder that schools like The University of Phoenix are growing so fast in light of the  costs and poor value of government schools.

Oh, an executive that can double a company&#039;s profits or significantly increase the company&#039;s stock value is worth what he is paid--because he produced.  A teacher gets tenured and rests on his laurels, never adding more value to the school or to the students.  If most college professors were paid on production, they would need to work at McDonald&#039;s to make up for lost salary.

Let the disgruntled professors walk, and let&#039;s get new professors along with administrators who will leave them alone and let them teach.

Unions encourage mediocrity and laziness and create overpaid losers.

If my thoughts are not clear, let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw &#8216;em.  When they start producing more, then we can think about paying them more.  But, paying truck loads of money won&#8217;t pull new and qualified talent as long as they have to put up with the Mickey Mouse rules and administrations.  </p>
<p>One other thing about PhD&#8217;s, schools get them because of accreditation purposes.  Most (I think) PhD&#8217;s being hired come from universities in India and other places.  Their language skills are horrible, and students can&#8217;t understand half of what they say.  Also, people trained outside of the U.S. often have no understanding of our tax laws, business practices, etc. to adequately prepare students.  Yet, they have the diploma for the college&#8217;s accreditation, which only shows a level of training from who knows where&#8211;not that they learned anything or can teach.</p>
<p>Could buinessmen with practical experience do a good job and maybe a better job?  Absolutely.  But, the schools won&#8217;t hire them and the businessmen wouldn&#8217;t put up with the nonsense.  It&#8217;s little wonder that schools like The University of Phoenix are growing so fast in light of the  costs and poor value of government schools.</p>
<p>Oh, an executive that can double a company&#8217;s profits or significantly increase the company&#8217;s stock value is worth what he is paid&#8211;because he produced.  A teacher gets tenured and rests on his laurels, never adding more value to the school or to the students.  If most college professors were paid on production, they would need to work at McDonald&#8217;s to make up for lost salary.</p>
<p>Let the disgruntled professors walk, and let&#8217;s get new professors along with administrators who will leave them alone and let them teach.</p>
<p>Unions encourage mediocrity and laziness and create overpaid losers.</p>
<p>If my thoughts are not clear, let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: richard locicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard locicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it interesting - and instructive - that, when Barry Munitz was Chancellor, he famoulsy fathered his nest there with nary a peep. But when he shifted his attentions to the Getty the State AG suddenly found his expenditures too lavish for a charitable organization. Guess it was all right to live high on the CSU hog.

The argument that you need to pay big to attract &quot;talent&quot; in management somehow njever gets applied to the folks doing the teaching. Guess they are a dime a dozen. After all, anyone can get a PhD, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it interesting &#8211; and instructive &#8211; that, when Barry Munitz was Chancellor, he famoulsy fathered his nest there with nary a peep. But when he shifted his attentions to the Getty the State AG suddenly found his expenditures too lavish for a charitable organization. Guess it was all right to live high on the CSU hog.</p>
<p>The argument that you need to pay big to attract &#8220;talent&#8221; in management somehow njever gets applied to the folks doing the teaching. Guess they are a dime a dozen. After all, anyone can get a PhD, right?</p>
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