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	<title>Comments on: The DEA versus Los Angeles:  The Politics of Medical Marijuana</title>
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		<title>By: Michal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a shame that we still live in a so unenlightened society, which promotes the use of alchohol and so many other bad substances, but will not allow the harmless use of the holy Ganja plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a shame that we still live in a so unenlightened society, which promotes the use of alchohol and so many other bad substances, but will not allow the harmless use of the holy Ganja plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LotS, if something makes sense from a dollar and cents standpoint, business will usually find a way to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LotS, if something makes sense from a dollar and cents standpoint, business will usually find a way to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: listener_on_the_sidelines</title>
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		<dc:creator>listener_on_the_sidelines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there are a number of &#039;drugs&#039; the full parameters of which have never been explored because they fall into that gray area where they might have &lt;em&gt;recreational&lt;/em&gt; rather than &lt;em&gt;medicinal&lt;/em&gt; histories.  Nicotine is one.  Somewhere, IIRC, I read that empirical studies have documented the beneficial effects of nicotine on Alzheimer&#039;s and Parkinson&#039;s disease.  

Hemp, which has an indistrial use, and the starving farmers in North Dakota would love to grow it, has a &lt;strong&gt;cultural&lt;/strong&gt; link to marijuana (even though its THC content is very low) - ergo, it is illegal to grow hemp in the US.  One of the industrial uses for hemp is paper.  We could, perhaps, save a few trees if we could get past our legislative absolutes with respect to categories of chemical substances, their use, and their distribution.  

We cannot study that which we categorically declare out-of-bounds.  There ought to be a way to separate the constructive use of some substances from their destructive applications.  You&#039;d think we&#039;d be smart enough to figure out a way to do that.  Or, at least to sort out the benefits of said same to weigh against our imputed costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there are a number of &#8216;drugs&#8217; the full parameters of which have never been explored because they fall into that gray area where they might have <em>recreational</em> rather than <em>medicinal</em> histories.  Nicotine is one.  Somewhere, IIRC, I read that empirical studies have documented the beneficial effects of nicotine on Alzheimer&#8217;s and Parkinson&#8217;s disease.  </p>
<p>Hemp, which has an indistrial use, and the starving farmers in North Dakota would love to grow it, has a <strong>cultural</strong> link to marijuana (even though its THC content is very low) &#8211; ergo, it is illegal to grow hemp in the US.  One of the industrial uses for hemp is paper.  We could, perhaps, save a few trees if we could get past our legislative absolutes with respect to categories of chemical substances, their use, and their distribution.  </p>
<p>We cannot study that which we categorically declare out-of-bounds.  There ought to be a way to separate the constructive use of some substances from their destructive applications.  You&#8217;d think we&#8217;d be smart enough to figure out a way to do that.  Or, at least to sort out the benefits of said same to weigh against our imputed costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you know that no study has been done on the efficacy of THC in substantial doses to treat nausea or pain or some of the other problems associated with debilitating illness...?&quot;

This is, in the truest sense of the word, criminal.

Great post.  Thank you, GM, for putting it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you know that no study has been done on the efficacy of THC in substantial doses to treat nausea or pain or some of the other problems associated with debilitating illness&#8230;?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is, in the truest sense of the word, criminal.</p>
<p>Great post.  Thank you, GM, for putting it up.</p>
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		<title>By: GM Roper</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM Roper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being the only person in this group (as far as I know, and I don&#039;t know everything in spite of what Woody tells me) who has actually experienced on an up close and personal the effects of Chemo-Therapy I thought I&#039;d pitch in a word or two.  As of today, I&#039;m one year, five months and 18 days cancer free and I intend to stay that way.  Now, having said that the nausea of chemo therapy (weekly treatments leaving you weak, bald (and I mean no hair anywhere - no eyelashes, no eyebrows, no nose hair)and wondering how one is to pay for all the treatment.  If I was poor, medicaid or medicare would take care of it, if I was rich, no problem at all, but being middle class and a working therapist I have to make concessions and the anti nausea drugs are horrendously expensive (pokey is right, those pills cost almost $100.00 each before insurance and weigh maybe 50 milligrams.  Thus, one pound of the damn things would cost $4,400 or their abouts.  But guess what, the literature is full of anti-nausea preperations and Ginger tops the list.  So, after buying some of the pills, I used them very sparingly, and eat food fixed with fresh ginger, take ginger capsules and drink gingerale by the gallon and I survived.  

The active ingredient in marijuana is Delta-9 tetra-hydrocannibanol or THC and is just as effective in pill form as in a joint, it just takes a little longer to get into the system, but even so, getting THC pills is almost impossible because of the drug laws (and most of the really draconian drug laws were passed in a democratic congress and signed by a republican president (nixon) and no one has thought fit to say &quot;mmmm, I wonder if this is such a good idea).  Likewise, physicians are afraid to prescribe sufficient pain killing drugs for the very real possibility of running afoul of the DEA.  So, we are cought in a quandry.  There are effective drugs and preperations out there, but either people don&#039;t know about them, people are afraid to demand from their congress a fresh look and people are just plain old too damn stupid to think of how dibilitating some of these diseases are.  My late brother in law died of AIDS and his weekly medications (which he called &quot;Shake and Bake&quot; because of their effects on him) were alleviated only by smoking weed because the anti-nausea pills weren&#039;t available way back then, THC couldn&#039;t be obtained easily and many docs refused to prescribe it and medical science is stupid in many ways.

Do you know that no study has been done on the effacacy of THC in substantial doses to treat nausea or pain or some of the other problems associated with dibilitating illness.  

When I teach &quot;Family and Disability&quot; at the University I always ask students to do research on the topic, then when they come up fairly empty, I suggest they write their congressman (and down here the congress folk are democrats and the two senators are Republicans) and to date, nothing has been done.  Congresscritters are afraid to pass laws that may be usefull because some asshole somewhere will say they are being &quot;soft&quot; on druggies.

Now, having said all the above, and ranted well beyond my welcome here, if you want to read about my journey through cancer treatments I&#039;ve blogged it &lt;a href=&quot;http://gmroper.mu.nu/archives/cat_medical.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and you&#039;ll have to scroll to the bottom to get the first entry.  Cheers and Celeste, please forgive me for ranting so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being the only person in this group (as far as I know, and I don&#8217;t know everything in spite of what Woody tells me) who has actually experienced on an up close and personal the effects of Chemo-Therapy I thought I&#8217;d pitch in a word or two.  As of today, I&#8217;m one year, five months and 18 days cancer free and I intend to stay that way.  Now, having said that the nausea of chemo therapy (weekly treatments leaving you weak, bald (and I mean no hair anywhere &#8211; no eyelashes, no eyebrows, no nose hair)and wondering how one is to pay for all the treatment.  If I was poor, medicaid or medicare would take care of it, if I was rich, no problem at all, but being middle class and a working therapist I have to make concessions and the anti nausea drugs are horrendously expensive (pokey is right, those pills cost almost $100.00 each before insurance and weigh maybe 50 milligrams.  Thus, one pound of the damn things would cost $4,400 or their abouts.  But guess what, the literature is full of anti-nausea preperations and Ginger tops the list.  So, after buying some of the pills, I used them very sparingly, and eat food fixed with fresh ginger, take ginger capsules and drink gingerale by the gallon and I survived.  </p>
<p>The active ingredient in marijuana is Delta-9 tetra-hydrocannibanol or THC and is just as effective in pill form as in a joint, it just takes a little longer to get into the system, but even so, getting THC pills is almost impossible because of the drug laws (and most of the really draconian drug laws were passed in a democratic congress and signed by a republican president (nixon) and no one has thought fit to say &#8220;mmmm, I wonder if this is such a good idea).  Likewise, physicians are afraid to prescribe sufficient pain killing drugs for the very real possibility of running afoul of the DEA.  So, we are cought in a quandry.  There are effective drugs and preperations out there, but either people don&#8217;t know about them, people are afraid to demand from their congress a fresh look and people are just plain old too damn stupid to think of how dibilitating some of these diseases are.  My late brother in law died of AIDS and his weekly medications (which he called &#8220;Shake and Bake&#8221; because of their effects on him) were alleviated only by smoking weed because the anti-nausea pills weren&#8217;t available way back then, THC couldn&#8217;t be obtained easily and many docs refused to prescribe it and medical science is stupid in many ways.</p>
<p>Do you know that no study has been done on the effacacy of THC in substantial doses to treat nausea or pain or some of the other problems associated with dibilitating illness.  </p>
<p>When I teach &#8220;Family and Disability&#8221; at the University I always ask students to do research on the topic, then when they come up fairly empty, I suggest they write their congressman (and down here the congress folk are democrats and the two senators are Republicans) and to date, nothing has been done.  Congresscritters are afraid to pass laws that may be usefull because some asshole somewhere will say they are being &#8220;soft&#8221; on druggies.</p>
<p>Now, having said all the above, and ranted well beyond my welcome here, if you want to read about my journey through cancer treatments I&#8217;ve blogged it <a href="http://gmroper.mu.nu/archives/cat_medical.php" rel="nofollow">here</a> and you&#8217;ll have to scroll to the bottom to get the first entry.  Cheers and Celeste, please forgive me for ranting so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LotS: &lt;i&gt;The fact that there appears to be a British Dental Association seems to support the notion such a profession exists in (the U.K.)&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;d never know it from their teeth.

Back to the subject:  Marijuana and states&#039; rights.

I planted a bush next to my mom&#039;s patio that resembles a butterfly bush but is actually a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floridata.com/ref/v/vitex_a.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vitex&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, whose leaves resemble those of marijuana.  Mix some of your select plants in with that and corn stalks and no one will ever know.  We&#039;re still worried about bootleggers where I live.

Regarding the raids, it&#039;s a little bit like immigration.  If there is a law, it should be enforced rather than ignored.  If the law should be changed, then work towards that.  I go nuts over government officials who are supposed to enforce our laws but don&#039;t, rather than taking the proper steps to make changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LotS: <i>The fact that there appears to be a British Dental Association seems to support the notion such a profession exists in (the U.K.)</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;d never know it from their teeth.</p>
<p>Back to the subject:  Marijuana and states&#8217; rights.</p>
<p>I planted a bush next to my mom&#8217;s patio that resembles a butterfly bush but is actually a <b><a href="http://www.floridata.com/ref/v/vitex_a.cfm" rel="nofollow">Vitex</a></b>, whose leaves resemble those of marijuana.  Mix some of your select plants in with that and corn stalks and no one will ever know.  We&#8217;re still worried about bootleggers where I live.</p>
<p>Regarding the raids, it&#8217;s a little bit like immigration.  If there is a law, it should be enforced rather than ignored.  If the law should be changed, then work towards that.  I go nuts over government officials who are supposed to enforce our laws but don&#8217;t, rather than taking the proper steps to make changes.</p>
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		<title>By: listener_on_the_sidelines</title>
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		<dc:creator>listener_on_the_sidelines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, Woody.  What do you suppose they call the folks who practice dentistry in the UK?  I&#039;m quite sure folks in London, Dublin, and Edinburgh have their teeth extracted, crowns placed, veneers done, and oral surgeries performed by some licensed individual, in some setting conducive tho the practice.  The fact that there appears to be a British Dental Association seems to support the notion such a profession exists in that part of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, Woody.  What do you suppose they call the folks who practice dentistry in the UK?  I&#8217;m quite sure folks in London, Dublin, and Edinburgh have their teeth extracted, crowns placed, veneers done, and oral surgeries performed by some licensed individual, in some setting conducive tho the practice.  The fact that there appears to be a British Dental Association seems to support the notion such a profession exists in that part of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Pokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;other alternatives to that sort of kill- everything&quot;
It has been eight years now since my wife had cancer, but I am not convinced that any cure will make it to the market unless huge amounts of money can be made from selling the drug.   Natural cures are not approved by the FDA and most doctors will not even discuss.    http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/

I suspect there are cures available today for cancer, but we will be the last to know about them in the United States.    Cancer is 10% of the healthcare budget of the USA.

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/on-cancer-business-industry.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;other alternatives to that sort of kill- everything&#8221;<br />
It has been eight years now since my wife had cancer, but I am not convinced that any cure will make it to the market unless huge amounts of money can be made from selling the drug.   Natural cures are not approved by the FDA and most doctors will not even discuss.    <a href="http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/</a></p>
<p>I suspect there are cures available today for cancer, but we will be the last to know about them in the United States.    Cancer is 10% of the healthcare budget of the USA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/on-cancer-business-industry.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/on-cancer-business-industry.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LotS:  &lt;i&gt;My dentist did part of his training in the UK.&lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t know that they had dentists in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LotS:  <i>My dentist did part of his training in the UK.</i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that they had dentists in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Fremon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Fremon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments everybody.  Terri I will definitely look further into MAPS, the legal decision and all you&#039;ve mentioned.
Pokey, thanks so much for telling that personal story.  I watched a very good friend go through chemo for breast cancer. I was the one who picked her kids up from school during that period, because she was so flat out sick. (Her friends parceled out small tasks to do for her, and that was mine.) And I remember marijuana was about the only thing that allowed her to get a little food down. I hope I&#039;m never in the situation where I need the stuff.  But if I do, I hope it&#039;s still available by legal means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments everybody.  Terri I will definitely look further into MAPS, the legal decision and all you&#8217;ve mentioned.<br />
Pokey, thanks so much for telling that personal story.  I watched a very good friend go through chemo for breast cancer. I was the one who picked her kids up from school during that period, because she was so flat out sick. (Her friends parceled out small tasks to do for her, and that was mine.) And I remember marijuana was about the only thing that allowed her to get a little food down. I hope I&#8217;m never in the situation where I need the stuff.  But if I do, I hope it&#8217;s still available by legal means.</p>
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