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	<title>Comments on: OBAMA WATCH: Warren and the Inauguration, Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: "reg"</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/obama/2008/admin/obama-watch-warren-and-the-inauguration-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-79236</link>
		<dc:creator>"reg"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southern Baptist refers to the Southern Baptist Convention, which was a splinter from the national Baptist curch in 1845 that affirmed the legitimacy of slavery.  There is congregational autonomy, but the seminaries are controlled by a doctrinal center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern Baptist refers to the Southern Baptist Convention, which was a splinter from the national Baptist curch in 1845 that affirmed the legitimacy of slavery.  There is congregational autonomy, but the seminaries are controlled by a doctrinal center.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/obama/2008/admin/obama-watch-warren-and-the-inauguration-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-79155</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not taking up for Warren.  I merely stated that I&#039;m not part of the dead with my views, as evidenced by large ministries preaching similar issues to really live people of like minds, and my Authority is independent of Rev. Warren and consensus.  

Regarding &quot;Southern Baptist,&quot; that&#039;s a term applied to just about every Baptist church, none of which are obligated to accept one theology passed down by elistist central leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not taking up for Warren.  I merely stated that I&#8217;m not part of the dead with my views, as evidenced by large ministries preaching similar issues to really live people of like minds, and my Authority is independent of Rev. Warren and consensus.  </p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;Southern Baptist,&#8221; that&#8217;s a term applied to just about every Baptist church, none of which are obligated to accept one theology passed down by elistist central leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick Warren isn&#039;t God. He&#039;s a Southern Baptist and they have changed their &quot;commands and principles&quot; numerous times based on public consensus (ex. slavery &amp; segregation, the defense of which was for well over a century the only reason the denomination existed as a distinct entity.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Warren isn&#8217;t God. He&#8217;s a Southern Baptist and they have changed their &#8220;commands and principles&#8221; numerous times based on public consensus (ex. slavery &amp; segregation, the defense of which was for well over a century the only reason the denomination existed as a distinct entity.)</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, God doesn&#039;t change his commands and principles based upon public consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, God doesn&#8217;t change his commands and principles based upon public consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/obama/2008/admin/obama-watch-warren-and-the-inauguration-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-78988</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Pastor Warren preach to the dead or the living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Pastor Warren preach to the dead or the living?</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody is expressing dominant opinion in cemetaries across America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody is expressing dominant opinion in cemetaries across America.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://witnessla.com/obama/2008/admin/obama-watch-warren-and-the-inauguration-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-78836</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get so tired of queers protesting for &quot;acceptance&quot;.  Can&#039;t they get it?  Not everyone wants to accept their lifestyles and objectives, and for good reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get so tired of queers protesting for &#8220;acceptance&#8221;.  Can&#8217;t they get it?  Not everyone wants to accept their lifestyles and objectives, and for good reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: don quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>don quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren&#039;s &quot;prayer&quot; at Obama&#039;s inauguration seems a bit of a nod to the Evangelical and mostly Conservative demographic, but the publicity savvy Warren seems to be making nice with his recent rhetoric aimed at the pissed off Gay population.

The whole uproar could end up being a positive for everyone concerned.
On the other hand though, it seems Evangelical leaders have a tendency towards the freaky side concerning their own personal lives. We have the Jim Baker and Tammy Faye&#039;s, the Jimmy Swaggart&#039;s, and the Elmer Gantry&#039;s seem common place in the Evangelical Movement.
Rick Warren seems to be a solid, you get what you see, type of Evangelical Preacher but one never knows. The last &quot;Evangelical to the President&quot;, Ted Haggard, who directed his own Mega-Church and was President of the 30 or 40 million member National Association of Evangelists ended up getting busted and outed as a Gay man himself, who for years made  clandestine visits to a homosexual Call Boy who used to score Methamphetamine for him.
Uh Oh! I hope Pastor Rick Warren was properly vetted by the Obama people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren&#8217;s &#8220;prayer&#8221; at Obama&#8217;s inauguration seems a bit of a nod to the Evangelical and mostly Conservative demographic, but the publicity savvy Warren seems to be making nice with his recent rhetoric aimed at the pissed off Gay population.</p>
<p>The whole uproar could end up being a positive for everyone concerned.<br />
On the other hand though, it seems Evangelical leaders have a tendency towards the freaky side concerning their own personal lives. We have the Jim Baker and Tammy Faye&#8217;s, the Jimmy Swaggart&#8217;s, and the Elmer Gantry&#8217;s seem common place in the Evangelical Movement.<br />
Rick Warren seems to be a solid, you get what you see, type of Evangelical Preacher but one never knows. The last &#8220;Evangelical to the President&#8221;, Ted Haggard, who directed his own Mega-Church and was President of the 30 or 40 million member National Association of Evangelists ended up getting busted and outed as a Gay man himself, who for years made  clandestine visits to a homosexual Call Boy who used to score Methamphetamine for him.<br />
Uh Oh! I hope Pastor Rick Warren was properly vetted by the Obama people.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a brilliant politician and I&#039;m of the opinion that this is of a piece with that. Warren is a bit of a mixed bag, as pop preachers go, but I have little love for the guy. But he&#039;s the most influential preacher in America and if Obama can use him to deepen splits in the religious right on certain key issues like climate change, so be it. 

In truth this Warren thing is a win-win for Obama AND his gay critics. Prop 8 and Warren&#039;s support for it were fading from memory and Obama put Warren back in the center of the controversy and made the critique of Warren very public again. I have no idea if this was his intention and it hardly matters, but at the same time Obama&#039;s getting a symbolic &quot;imprimatur&quot; for his presidency from a member of the &quot;neo-religious right&quot; that should cause more consternation in their ranks than in ours.  

Having critics on his left is very, very useful for Obama. I would be very disturbed if his every move was praised by The Nation. We&#039;d be on our way to a shipwreck. As it is, the right is totally disoriented and increasingly irrelevant - even on gay rights, if one doesn&#039;t ascribe too much significance to the word &quot;marriage&quot; as opposed to the legitimacy of gay &quot;unions.&quot;  Prop 8 was a predictable setback, but it was the loss of a battle in a war that&#039;s clearly being won. Presidents governing in critical times must pick their battles and narrow their choice of enemies. President Obama has huge responsibilities to the country and the world that most of us can barely imagine shouldering. If he can bring the Rick Warren crowd along on a least some of his agenda, he&#039;ll be a success. Consider that Rick Warren is &quot;blessing&quot; an event that features a gay and lesbian marching band. Who is being &quot;punked&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a brilliant politician and I&#8217;m of the opinion that this is of a piece with that. Warren is a bit of a mixed bag, as pop preachers go, but I have little love for the guy. But he&#8217;s the most influential preacher in America and if Obama can use him to deepen splits in the religious right on certain key issues like climate change, so be it. </p>
<p>In truth this Warren thing is a win-win for Obama AND his gay critics. Prop 8 and Warren&#8217;s support for it were fading from memory and Obama put Warren back in the center of the controversy and made the critique of Warren very public again. I have no idea if this was his intention and it hardly matters, but at the same time Obama&#8217;s getting a symbolic &#8220;imprimatur&#8221; for his presidency from a member of the &#8220;neo-religious right&#8221; that should cause more consternation in their ranks than in ours.  </p>
<p>Having critics on his left is very, very useful for Obama. I would be very disturbed if his every move was praised by The Nation. We&#8217;d be on our way to a shipwreck. As it is, the right is totally disoriented and increasingly irrelevant &#8211; even on gay rights, if one doesn&#8217;t ascribe too much significance to the word &#8220;marriage&#8221; as opposed to the legitimacy of gay &#8220;unions.&#8221;  Prop 8 was a predictable setback, but it was the loss of a battle in a war that&#8217;s clearly being won. Presidents governing in critical times must pick their battles and narrow their choice of enemies. President Obama has huge responsibilities to the country and the world that most of us can barely imagine shouldering. If he can bring the Rick Warren crowd along on a least some of his agenda, he&#8217;ll be a success. Consider that Rick Warren is &#8220;blessing&#8221; an event that features a gay and lesbian marching band. Who is being &#8220;punked&#8221; ?</p>
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